Vance to Rutgers ?

[MadDogRevival]

he was, maybe, our second or third best player for a few games against AAC competition.

I'd say he was our 1st best player once or twice and our second best player many times, and I'd say he showed definite, steady improvement as the year went on. Loved his court savvy. He played like a senior, at least in terms of court awareness and ball control.

 

[champs99and04]

I'd say he was our 1st best player once or twice and our second best player many times, and I'd say he showed definite, steady improvement as the year went on. Loved his court savvy. He played like a senior, at least in terms of court awareness and ball control.

Some of the Vance bashing is definitely captain hindsight type stuff. It's a bit like the fallacy of the predetermined outcome - a context only known now is being applied to his play during the season, as if his decision to transfer somehow invalidates anything he did here this season. He was a very promising player who was going to help us a lot over the course of four years. The same thing happened with Durham. We grade him on one scale all year under the presumption that he's a Husky for life and then as soon as he leaves we bring out another scale. If Alex Oriakhi had died in a car crash during the off-season of 2011, he'd be one of the most fondly remembered Huskies ever. That is not an overstatement and it's demonstrative of how people view random outcomes as extensions of divine character traits.

That said, Vance was probably a net zero for us last season, best case scenario. Some of this wasn't his fault. He was forced to play the three when he would have been better suited playing the four. But he was a poor defender and I can say sincerely that when he went down late in the season it didn't really effect my confidence in the team. I thought our best five was JA-RP-CV-Kelis Fisher-AB and because of his ability to play both ends, losing Vital was much more consequential.

Net zero is much better than what most freshman give you, though, and in that regard his loss hurts a lot. But he was never an ideal fit here and with Larrier returning he may have been marginalized, so I guess my take would be that none of this is particularly straightforward.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Vance Jackson is a good basketball player, who will be really good by the time he graduates, if he keeps developing. I was looking forward to what he'd accomplish here, figured he'd have gained a lot from all the minutes he was forced into.

 

[uconnbill]

He wants to be the man and not part of what HCKO was selling. So be it.

 

[pj]

Vance is a good player, but not especially athletic, so not a great fit for the style of play KO wants to run. I wonder why KO recruited him so hard, to be honest. It seems like they were focused more on the players who could be easily recruited than the players who were the best fit. The hiring of Chillious seems to be a move toward working harder to get the players who are good fits.

 

[joober jones]

Vance Sr may direct another transfer if Vance Jr doesn't get a different jersey number soon. 0 just sends the wrong message about a future hall of famer.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Not too long ago, UConn was considered WingU - Rip, Rudy and even Ray to some extent

Let's see we've had Daniels,Hamilton ,and Larrier in a much more difficult situation ,Not too shabby. Looks like we still produce wings. UConn fortunes would have been hugely different if The first two stayed another year.
especially DD . Another shooter and we are a completely different team.It would have been interesting to see How the latter would be used with Larrier.
Jackson would have been on the bench except for a Larrier injury he was a freshman shooter only ,who ended up starting.
Let's see we have a guy claiming Vital was D2, Brimah had no hands, Jackson couldn't defend and except for two injuries to Adams we might have won 20 games. In fact with a hobbled Adams we eliminated Houstons Tourney hopes and
Pushed a decent Cinn team to the limit
At as full strength as we could be ,we beat Cuse at a neutral site and a UCF team home and away a team that made the NIT semi's . We also beat Temple home and away.
KO should'be asking for a raise having to deal with the stiffs he had to put on the floor.
Either our players were great and KO has lost it.
I say lost it because 2013 and 2014 were among the top coaching jobs in UConn history.By any coach.
Or our players are substandard ,who in reality have overachieve ,because of our coach.
The law of contraction prevents both from being true.

 

[intlzncster]

Some of the Vance bashing is definitely captain hindsight type stuff. It's a bit like the fallacy of the predetermined outcome - a context only known now is being applied to his play during the season, as if his decision to transfer somehow invalidates anything he did here this season. He was a very promising player who was going to help us a lot over the course of four years. The same thing happened with Durham. We grade him on one scale all year under the presumption that he's a Husky for life and then as soon as he leaves we bring out another scale. If Alex Oriakhi had died in a car crash during the off-season of 2011, he'd be one of the most fondly remembered Huskies ever. That is not an overstatement and it's demonstrative of how people view random outcomes as extensions of divine character traits.

You're not wrong. The reality of this is that most kids fall somewhere in the middle RE expectations and outcomes.

 

[Kitaman]

I see it as Vance taking further advantage of a unusual situation (i.e. Larrier injury) here at UConn. He got minutes, production, experience and lots of shine (top AAC rookie) in a season where he was expected to have been 'just a bench player' with little expectations. In one year he went from being a unknown to being known. Just saying Vance is parlaying his freshman 'fame' to garner more PT and more shine. Perhaps he thinks he's better than he really is (at this point).

He's good, but not irreplaceable. Vital is who I was most worried about changing jerseys.

 

[mauconnfan]

I see it as Vance taking further advantage of a unusual situation (i.e. Larrier injury) here at UConn. He got minutes, production, experience and lots of shine (top AAC rookie) in a season where he was expected to have been 'just a bench player' with little expectations. In one year he went from being a unknown to being known. Just saying Vance is parlaying his freshman 'fame' to garner more PT and more shine. Perhaps he thinks he's better than he really is (at this point).

He's good, but not irreplaceable. Vital is who I was most worried about changing jerseys.

Spot on Kita. The thing about Vance is so many are right on their opinions. He would have been a good player and even better for 4 years. But he doesn't accept being a piece of the puzzle, it's not his style as we found out from him and his pops. So whether he left this year or next, he was going to depart it's just him. Better we find out now and move on just like we should on this thread. Rutgers, west coast Husky whatever, good luck!

 

[boog204]

Vance is a good player, but not especially athletic, so not a great fit for the style of play KO wants to run. I wonder why KO recruited him so hard, to be honest. It seems like they were focused more on the players who could be easily recruited than the players who were the best fit. The hiring of Chillious seems to be a move toward working harder to get the players who are good fits.

Agreed on him being a good player and not being overly athletic but I'm still trying to figure out what KOs style is. Every year he says the same thing; we are going to run, push pace, bla, bla, bla and every year we plod along as a medicore half court team that relies on a great guard to bail out our piss poor offense. I know, we won a title with that style; but that is more a testament to usually having the three best one-on-one players on the court on our side of the ball most of time.

I actually thought Vance was a perfect fit for what our offense has become. If we are going to have stud guards breaking people down, you need someone competent to kick out to. Vance was becoming that guy. Obviously, Vance wanted more than to be a 3 point shooter. But I am certain he would have become a 15ppg type scorer before he left here; had he stayed.

 

[pj]

Agreed on him being a good player and not being overly athletic but I'm still trying to figure out what KOs style is. Every year he says the same thing; we are going to run, push pace, bla, bla, bla and every year we plod along as a medicore half court team that relies on a great guard to bail out our piss poor offense. I know, we won a title with that style; but that is more a testament to usually having the three best one-on-one players on the court on our side of the ball most of time.

I actually thought Vance was a perfect fit for what our offense has become. If we are going to have stud guards breaking people down, you need someone competent to kick out to. Vance was becoming that guy. Obviously, Vance wanted more than to be a 3 point shooter. But I am certain he would have become a 15ppg type scorer before he left here; had he stayed.

Vance could have, if he had been content to defend opposing power forwards. If he had Niels Giffey's mentality. But, that wasn't the case. In any case he would never have been perfect for the up-tempo offense, lock-down defense KO would prefer.

I think KO hasn't had the players to play the style he wants. I think with the Killings and Chillious hires he's focusing on improving recruiting to the point that he can focus it on the players he wants, not the ones that are easy to persuade to come here.

 

[boog204]

Vance could have, if he had been content to defend opposing power forwards. If he had Niels Giffey's mentality. But, that wasn't the case. In any case he would never have been perfect for the up-tempo offense, lock-down defense KO would prefer.

I think KO hasn't had the players to play the style he wants. I think with the Killings and Chillious hires he's focusing on improving recruiting to the point that he can focus it on the players he wants, not the ones that are easy to persuade to come here.

Remains to be seen. I absolutely agree that the "content" aspect of Vance adapting to a system was probably never going to happen. But as much as I want to believe that KO wants to play a certain way, well, we've never really seen it. What style do you think he wants to play? I mean we had a lineup of Boat, Bazz, Niels, and Deandre; four pretty talented guys and we ran some pretty good stuff; but we were definitely a half-court team. With Gibbs, DHam, Miller, Purvis we relied on our small forward to facilitate an offense. I guess we could argue that the player mixes have just never been totally right but we've absolutely had some talent that I believe has been absolutely underutilized. I'd love to think that KO wants to be 90s-00s UConn pushing the ball, running, etc. But in five years we really have not been anything close to that.

 

[gtcam]

Bottom line - If Larrier and AG don't go down, it would be Vance who?
The kid played more than he would have in his first 2 seasons
He was good at times and pretty nothing at times
You hate to lose kids but I agree with those who say better Vance than Vital - at least Vital is a UConn guy - Vance, in MHO was never a UConn guy
Being as good as his father portrays him to be, I am amazed at the lack of offers

 

[Woof 101]

Mock Rutgers all you like for their past.
Their current head coach knows what the hell he is doing.
If Ollie goes to the NBA he is the first person you call.

No Ollie bashing but Steve was my first choice documented here...

This is the ultimate whistling past the graveyard thread.

WE HAVE A WINNER !!!

 

[Mano]

Seems pretty clear that Vance and his dad thought Larrier was going to be going pro after this last year and they were prepared for VJ to be the guy in the wings on the wing for a year before stepping out onto the stage as a soph. Once TL went down I'd wager they were ready to move on after that considering the uncertainty of TL's return and whether he might be ahead of Vance for a year or more. Silly really since I would've wagered that we would've seen a lot of the two of them on the court at the same time next year in that position less basketball style of play KO has been trying to enact since he's been here.

 

[CL82]

RU = happy dollar sign face?

 

[intlzncster]

RU = happy dollar sign face?

Yeah, recruiting-wise, I thought that one was pretty funny.

 

[Jerry1714]

Mock Rutgers all you like for their past.

Their current head coach knows what the hell he is doing.

If Ollie goes to the NBA he is the first person you call.

I like Pinkell a lot, but Rutgers is a dumpster fire (not his fault) so not sure what the ceiling is there, NIT team? He does return basically all his key players this year, but has the 12th ranked recruiting class in the Big 10, and does not have much going for 2018 in terms of recruiting going which will be key because 6 or the top 7 players this year will be seniors.

 

[KingAG]

I like Pinkell a lot, but Rutgers is a dumpster fire (not his fault) so not sure what the ceiling is there, NIT team? He does return basically all his key players this year, but has the 12th ranked recruiting class in the Big 10, and does not have much going for 2018 in terms of recruiting going which will be key because 6 or the top 7 players this year will be seniors.

Fans always think the grass is greener on the other side..

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Vance certainly would have had a place on next years team.
I think KO could have figured out a way to use both him and Larrier .
No VJ or VJ sr didn't want to be here. Once that apparent it's better for both to part ways.

 

[Goat]

If you are down and needing a little lift, I offer some schadenfreude. SB Nation on what Vance could mean for Rutgers.

"...landing a player the caliber of Jackson, who was named to the AAC All-Rookie Team and was a Top 100 recruit in the class of 2016, would be a big step forward long term. Not only would he be in line to be an impact starter the following season, Jackson would help Rutgers on the recruiting trail as well. While Pikiell has added solid pieces to the program since his arrival, landing a big name like Jackson would help to change perception and likely give certain recruits more of a reason to consider Rutgers."

 

[gtcam]

If you are down and needing a little lift, I offer some schadenfreude. SB Nation on what Vance could mean for Rutgers.

"...landing a player the caliber of Jackson, who was named to the AAC All-Rookie Team and was a Top 100 recruit in the class of 2016, would be a big step forward long term. Not only would he be in line to be an impact starter the following season, Jackson would help Rutgers on the recruiting trail as well. While Pikiell has added solid pieces to the program since his arrival, landing a big name like Jackson would help to change perception and likely give certain recruits more of a reason to consider Rutgers."

Really!!!???
JSMH

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

If you are down and needing a little lift, I offer some schadenfreude. SB Nation on what Vance could mean for Rutgers.

"...landing a player the caliber of Jackson, who was named to the AAC All-Rookie Team and was a Top 100 recruit in the class of 2016, would be a big step forward long term. Not only would he be in line to be an impact starter the following season, Jackson would help Rutgers on the recruiting trail as well. While Pikiell has added solid pieces to the program since his arrival, landing a big name like Jackson would help to change perception and likely give certain recruits more of a reason to consider Rutgers."

When Vance Jackson is your most prized recruit seemingly ever. .. this is just the kind of ego pump this kid is looking for. Maybe he just likes being recruited. "All about the chase..."

 

[UC313]

His old man writes pretty well for having a gig on sb nation.

 

[HooperScooper]

“It went well,” his father, Vance Jackson Sr., said by phone. “They see Vance being a big part of the team. They want him to be a guy that can be a huge part of the offense.

“They believe in him and know a lot of his skillset and what he can do.”

Hmmmm.

Vance Jackson Enjoys Rutgers Visit, Washington Up Next | Zagsblog

 

[jibsey]

“It went well,” his father, Vance Jackson Sr., said by phone. “They see Vance being a big part of the team. They want him to be a guy that can be a huge part of the offense.

“They believe in him and know a lot of his skillset and what he can do.”

Hmmmm.

Vance Jackson Enjoys Rutgers Visit, Washington Up Next | Zagsblog

His father sounds like he wants the entire offense to revolve around Vance regardless of who else is there. Kinda like the Bulls and Jordan. What is he smoking?

 

[4in16]

He was a big part of the offense, was it Ollie's fault he played hesitant and wouldn't take wide open shots?

 

[djct1999]

“It went well,” his father, Vance Jackson Sr., said by phone. “They see Vance being a big part of the team. They want him to be a guy that can be a huge part of the offense.

“They believe in him and know a lot of his skillset and what he can do.”

Hmmmm.

Vance Jackson Enjoys Rutgers Visit, Washington Up Next | Zagsblog

I don't know who I feel worse for, Vance or Rutgers.

 

[whaler11]

Just so it's clear.

When posters point out the poor recent results and the paper thin roster they are accused of damaging recruiting because somehow the recruits can't see a losing record and players transferring and de-committing.

When a player and his father make a decision that hurts some people's feelings they savage the player and father.

It would seem to a reasonable person that attacking specific players and their families for making decisions you don't agree with would be more damaging to recruiting.

#boneyardlogic