But you're mixing up 2 different things. There is the dismantling of a conference, which leads to cherry picking (eg, the PAC12 falling apart). And then there's a fully formed and viable conference kicking someone out. I don't think the latter has happened since the old Big East did it to Temple.
... but playing them in football doesn't have the same value as playing someone else in football. That's my point. So if a team is missing out on the opportunity to play against a better team from a more populated area in order to play Wake Forest, then by definition, they are losing...
| Boston College | Central Florida |
| Cincinnati | Clemson |
| Connecticut | Duke |
| Louisville | Florida State |
| Memphis | Georgia Tech |
| Pittsburgh | Miami |
| Syracuse | North Carolina |
| Virginia | North Carolina State |
| Virginia Tech | Wake Forest |
| West Virginia | |
| Georgetown | Butler |
| Providence | DePaul |
| Seton Hall | Marquette |
| St. John's | Xavier |
| Villanova |
Come on Fishy. What else do we have to do while trying to kick the elusive football
I say Drake. I love those coffee cakes
I highly doubt that Duke or their fans would feel like they're losing out by playing Wake as opposed to the others you listed. Duke has a long history of competition with Wake. Pitt and Stanford? Not so much. I suspect that most Duke Fans would probably not give a rip if they ever played Pitt or Stanford again.
BE is only good at MBB and It's not even a real "power" Basketball conference. People just say that because it's been consistently good but there's no way that lasts. Schools like BC and Wake drag the ACC down, why would they want to merge with a conference full of those types? If anything, they will cherry pick
Oh it's happening. Of course it's happening. Coach K said so.
True, the Big East is not very good at football. The more I think about it though, I don't think the Big East wants to merge with the ACC because the ACC probably doesn't make as much for basketball as the Big East does.
I hear you, but Villanova does not play FBS football. That's why, for the purposes of a media rights contract, Wake Forest has more value than Villanova.
I’m not mixing things up. Temple being kicked wasn’t realignment. That was non performance and the other schools tired of subsidizing poor AD management.
No, it really doesn't. Of course Wake has more total cost than Villanova because you are grouping football and basketball together. That's the error. His point is a program could play Villanova in basketball which is greater than Wake basketball. Then it could play a much better football team than Wake. Combined it is a much better total overall value. With Wake, you are stuck playing Wake football which is a loss compared to better football programs.
Lol, no it's actually not like saying that at all. Broadcast partners are paying for content. One less football team means 6 less games to broadcast. "Cost" isn't the focal point to of the analysis, "revenue" is.
I'm not talking about feelings. I'm talking about money...
But for the purposes of this discussion, we're talking about a "mixed" division. So a part of the division would play football and the other part wouldn't. The only way that works is if you concentrate the football teams that draw the most eyeballs and have them all play each other. The additional basketball teams would give additional value from an 18 or 20 game schedule.
What you are describing is not cherry picking. It's dissolving 2 conferences to make a 3rd. And doing so would require the individual members of each conference to all vote on their own dissolution. If a sizeable amount of teams are left out, then what is their incentive to vote against their own interests??
What money is there in Stanford Football? The market? Nobody in the Bay Area cares about Stanford Football. If they did their ACC Deal wouldn’t be for pennies on the dollar. If we switch to streaming it is even less attractive. Next to nobody is going to pay for the opportunity to watch Duke play Stanford. A fair number of fans from both Duke/Wake would seek this game out in football and basketball.
I'm not sure I agree with that premise, but assuming it's correct then if you're replacing Wake, you would replace them with another football score not a basketball school. The inescapable fact is that football schools have more value than basketball schools. You and I may not like that fact, but that doesn't make it any less true.
If you think nobody in the bay area cares about Stanford, then you're really going to love how many eyeballs Wake Forest commands...
We both agree on the fact that football schools typically have more value. This exercise (an exercise in futility, by the way) is merely one that asks how a Big East - ACC merger could maximize value if one were to happen (which it won't).
Well, it's not always.
Yeah, it's always. The proof is the fact that they are in the big east rather than in a conference (unless you believe that Villanova is refusing to except a P4 payout, or that the P4 is benignly, leaving the school that could have merely by the asking how did the goodness of its heart.)
People forget that Temple was kicked out because it didn't meet NCAA's rolling requirement for 15,000 attendance. I'm not aware of any school being kicked out of any conference for performance.
It's not always. I just showed you why. I showed you that an FCS "basketball school" from the Big East had 15 million more in revenue than a MAC school with an FBS football team. Even when you correct for the difference in tv contract, Villanova is earning more overall...
It is always. I just gave you two reasons why reasons why.