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[Updated] Office Of State Ethics Questioning Corey Edsall's Employment At UConn (M. Anthony)

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Ridiculous honestly. Public/ state/ govt jobs are bs. The kid got the job because of his dad but this happens often even outside of sports. Also, pretty sure he's a very very low paid D1 coach. Let it go.
 
I worked for 3 Fortune 500 companies my first 14 years out of UCONN. I wouldn't be the man or businessman I am today if my Dad didn't give me a job that 15th year.

Corey has cut his teeth in this sport away from his father and has earned this job based on his resume alone.
 
uconnphil2016 said:
Shouldn't the ethics committee be a bit more concerned with how in the heck a 60 million dollar minor league baseball stadium made its way into Hartford?
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Or the fact that it costs over $75,000 per mile in administrative costs alone for state road maintenance in CT.
 
Just another black eye for the state and UConn with something every other school in the nation does already. Just looks bad, but then again this is the political climate in Connecticut right now
 
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I think you are crazy to think this is ONLY in Connecticut.

This is about some yahoo thinking they can make a point. Ultimately, this will fade. But, there are lots of places that this garbage is commonplace. And, in this case, the administration and the AD did do things transparently and placed him as per the negotiation. Give this the moment ... the air will ease out of that balloon of "corruption" again.
 
OK, I will take a contrarian view. This is a clear case of nepotism. Pure and simple. The very definition of the term. Just because it has been customary in college football nationwide does not make it right. I am a little surprised that this action was not completely vetted with a formal opinion rather than an informal opinion, but maybe it was a time thing. So let's not be wringing hands and lamenting an "embarrassment" to the state.

I would guess that they are gonna have to carve out a clear exception for this case and put in place a clearer policy going forward. Is there an exception, or is there not an exception, for college level coaching staffs? Seems pretty simple.

Let the flames begin.
 
Given that they just penalized 2 people for getting jobs for their kids they almost have to look at this or let the other guys off the hook. I think all 3 cases are silly but the rules are shat they are. So they need to look at this and as dick says find an exception
 
If they looked at all the goings on in EVERY department in the state they would not even look at this situation
Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones
The people who are elected to run this state bend over for the unions and take care of their own
This is a very very corrupt state - but no political talk on this site so I'll end it there
 
This state has so much debt it will never recover. Be ready for your local taxes to go up 50% next year as the state kills local aid for schools except to cities. 1/3 of pension liabilities are being transferred to towns and the pension contribution rate is going up 600% over the next 10 years to make up for underfunding. I love CT but it's getting about time to bail before you can't.
 
RSTuthill said:
OK, I will take a contrarian view. This is a clear case of nepotism. Pure and simple. The very definition of the term. Just because it has been customary in college football nationwide does not make it right. I am a little surprised that this action was not completely vetted with a formal opinion rather than an informal opinion, but maybe it was a time thing. So let's not be wringing hands and lamenting an "embarrassment" to the state.

I would guess that they are gonna have to carve out a clear exception for this case and put in place a clearer policy going forward. Is there an exception, or is there not an exception, for college level coaching staffs? Seems pretty simple.

Let the flames begin.
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It's nepotism but every college coach has the authority to hire his staff.

No one blindly aoies for an open job, gets an interview and then gets hired.
 
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Let's put aside the fact that it was done up front and out in the open.

Nepotism doesn't really apply in this type of job, in my less than humble opinion, and here's why: A head coach is chosen with the expectations to create a winning program. He is then allowed to pick a staff of his choosing. The staff is not chosen by a hiring committee. It's him. All him. By a more loose definition, it is all nepotism. Same coaching tree. Same inner circle, whether blood ties or not. All his call. Like PP and DeLeone. Like Diaco and Verducci. This is NOT hiring that is open to the public.

And we all know that if you choose the wrong team and don't get the results, you're gone...
 
RSTuthill said:
OK, I will take a contrarian view. This is a clear case of nepotism. Pure and simple. The very definition of the term. Just because it has been customary in college football nationwide does not make it right. I am a little surprised that this action was not completely vetted with a formal opinion rather than an informal opinion, but maybe it was a time thing. So let's not be wringing hands and lamenting an "embarrassment" to the state.

I would guess that they are gonna have to carve out a clear exception for this case and put in place a clearer policy going forward. Is there an exception, or is there not an exception, for college level coaching staffs? Seems pretty simple.

Let the flames begin.
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Corey legitimately has a football coaching resume and I'm not sure we've paid an assistant coach as little as he's getting since we went FBS. As long as he's not being supervised by his dad I'm guessing that the policy for state employees is intact.
 
This is incredibly routine. Cory isn't losing his job. The Ethics panel is doing exactly what you want them to he doing. They are vetting the legitimacy of his qualifications for the position and establishing any protocols to ensure compliance with any ethics laws.

His qualifications are not in question. There may be some tweak to set his administrative chain of command outside the AD. Mostly likely student life or the academic side.

If an issue ever came up in recruiting, personal conduct, hookers and blow, or anything other than performance as part of the staff, you wouldn't want anyone with ties to his dad running the show.

Just as you wouldn't want the head of the CEDC appointing his kid as a director.

This is not a black eye unless the commission asks for something unreasonable. It's actually a good thing that shows us doing things the right way.
 
Before I got the job I have now I was an assistant teacher at another school. They knew they were going to have a teaching spot opening up and wanted to offer it to me. I never had to interview or even apply, the district just had to post the position and it was mine. It was strange to me at the time but I didn't feel bad because I'm sure I was on the wrong side of situations just like that for the 100s of jobs I applied for and dozens of interviews I went on over the years before I finally got a break.
 
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"Hiring relatives to lucrative positions, like obtaining the interest-free loans or private plane hours included in many coaches’ contracts, would be frowned upon elsewhere on the state payroll."

It's been few months since I read the contract, but IIRC it's a good thing Edsall's contract doesn't include interest-free loans or private plane hours for Corey Edsall. :rolleyes:

This is a joke. The fact that Edsall let them know he wanted to hire his son BEFORE he accepted the position means there was nothing unseemly done here. The fact the school sought an informal opinion PRIOR to hiring his son shows they were being proactive to do this the right way.

Coaches are allowed to hire their staff. Whether it's his son, daughter, brother-in-law, or college roommate. They pick their staff, and unlike the CEDC, they can point to very clear performance related measures and evaluate the coaches.

Corey has a resume that would land him a coaching job somewhere. He's the lowest paid coach on the staff.

This is a non-story.
 
WingU-Conn said:
This is a non-story.
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While I agree w/ the sentiment - the story is increasingly expanding nationwide (as one would expect based on headline) in the current climate (and I don't mean weather).
 
I heard a rumor that in the next 3 years our state government is going to form a committee to look into our debt problem. Probably just a rumor.

Such a sad state we live in. I don't read the Courant anymore but I hope they are bashing our state leaders to no end on our state problems (debt) and lay into them as much as they have bashed UConn for every little issue in the past.
 
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huskymedic said:
While I agree w/ the sentiment - the story is increasingly expanding nationwide (as one would expect based on headline) in the current climate (and I don't mean weather).
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You're right, but we're dealing with healthcare, taxes, immigration, terrorism, etc, etc, etc, and people care whether or not Edsall and Benedict violated ethics laws when they did everything in their power to avoid any ethical issues?

Here are some other examples of "nepotism". Ethics: General Statutes Violations


Docket No. 2012-26: In the Matter of a Complaint against Roger Thomas. On June 18, 2013, the OSE entered into a Stipulation and Consent Order with Respondent for violations of CGS § 1-86 (a). The Complaint alleged that Respondent, an employee at of the Department of Transportation, failed to inform his superiors or the OSE when he was faced with a conflict of interest involving the hiring of his son by a contractor over which he had administrative oversight. Under the terms of the settlement, Respondent was ordered to pay a civil penalty of $2,500.

Docket No. 2010-62: In the Matter of a Complaint against Donald Stitt. On April 26, 2011, the OSE and Respondent entered into a Stipulation and Consent Order, resolving allegations that Respondent, who is married to a full-time faculty member of the Theatre Arts Department at Western Connecticut State University (“WCSU”,) violated CGS § 1-84 (i) by entering into contracts in July 2009 and 2010 for services to run workshops for the Master’s in Fine Arts program, without an open and public bid process. Under the terms of the Settlement, the OSE ordered Respondent to pay a civil penalty of $400 for his violations CGS §1-84 (i).

Docket No. 2009-75: In the Matter of a Complaint against David G. Carter. On April 20, 2011, the OSE entered into a Stipulation and Consent Order with Respondent, resolving allegations that Respondent, former Chancellor of the Connecticut State University System, failed to inform his superiors or the OSE when he was faced with a conflict of interest involving the hiring of his spouse, a former Dean at one of the state universities, into a temporary contract following her retirement. Under the terms of the settlement, Respondent was ordered to pay a civil penalty of $2,000.


This was all done out in the open. The point of ethics is to keep people honest. This was done honestly. They shouldn't waste more than 5 minutes reviewing the facts of this.
 
SubbaBub said:
This is incredibly routine. Cory isn't losing his job. The Ethics panel is doing exactly what you want them to he doing. They are vetting the legitimacy of his qualifications for the position and establishing any protocols to ensure compliance with any ethics laws.

His qualifications are not in question. There may be some tweak to set his administrative chain of command outside the AD. Mostly likely student life or the academic side.

If an issue ever came up in recruiting, personal conduct, hookers and blow, or anything other than performance as part of the staff, you wouldn't want anyone with ties to his dad running the show.

Just as you wouldn't want the head of the CEDC appointing his kid as a director.

This is not a black eye unless the commission asks for something unreasonable. It's actually a good thing that shows us doing things the right way.
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The concern is if the Ethics boards makes the contract null and void, there is no recourse. They're an unelected bureaucracy and it will take a mess of time and money to override their decision.

If you go all in on the process is mandatory, you also go all in with the decision they make based on their authority.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
The concern is if the Ethics boards makes the contract null and void, there is no recourse. They're an unelected bureaucracy and it will take a mess of time and money to override their decision.

If you go all in on the process is mandatory, you also go all in with the decision they make based on their authority.
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I won't sweat it until there is something to sweat. The board is not a gotcha operation. Every person of consequence leaving state service has contact with the state board. The stipulations handed out are not punitive in nature. Unless UConn itself didn't follow past protocol (you think this is the first family member the university has ever hired?) they will be fine, at most they might tweak the arrangement or put some other restriction on his administrative chain of command.
 
This state constantly shoots itself in the foot and will again when they force his kid out alienating Edsall. He hangs around long enough to get another P-5 offer then bolts for another "dream job". What do you figure, three years, maybe four? They sued their way out of a P-5 invite then promoted one of the architects of that debacle to U. S. Senator. They forced a minor league baseball stadium down the taxpayers throats and for what? Some temporary union work? Sad, just sad.
 
The fact that HCRE hired his son causes no conflict of interest. Coach Randy Edsall's and the entire staff's continued employment is determined by one and only one factor: If he wins football games. If he doesn't win he and his entire staff are gone. If the fact that he has hired his son and it causes the appearance of favoritism among his staff, it doesn't matter. If he believes, by favoring a particular staff member or not, he is helping his program. It's all ok. In the end if he doesn't win, he and the entire staff are gone. They do not have guaranteed employment based on some nebulous evaluation. He can hire and fire staff at will. Whatever he believes benefits his program is his to do as long as it is not some amoral act or cheating. And even with these(North Carolina and Louisville, Baylor and a few more), if you win, it appears the NCAA and the community looks away In the end its a very objective evaluation for continued employment. There's nothing wrong with his openly hiring his son who is qualified on his own, by his experience, to get a coaching job. This is a non-starter and a waste of one's time, energy and money by political hacks who have already ruined our state and put our State U. in a hole.
 
It comes down to this.

Was the process used to identify the person to fill the position any different for Corey Edsall than it was for any other coaching hire? No. All coaches were hired via personal or professional relationships with the head coach.

Nepotism isn't just defined as hiring family. It's hiring family via a different process because they're family.
 
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