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Uneven revenue distribution model picking up steam in the ACC? (The Clemson Insider)

The biggest problem with the above (dissolved ACC with the eight most attractive members joining the PAC) is that there is no guarantee the successor (bicoastal PAC) will provide media revenues equal to the current ACC.
 
The biggest problem with the above (dissolved ACC with the eight most attractive members joining the PAC) is that there is no guarantee the successor (bicoastal PAC) will provide media revenues equal to the current ACC.
True. It would be a nice overall collection of universities but the football powers still likely would'nt get paid. I don't think it would be close to B1G or SEC numbers so it doesn't really make sense. Good attempt though.
 
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Well, this would be an ironic outcome.
 
Reality check time.
The interesting question would be would anyone be willing to pay members of the Atlantic and Pacific conference more than they are already paying the ACC? That’s what needs to happen for this to be anything other than random realignment musings. I guess that it’s possible that by cherry picking some ACC teams and some Pac 12 teams you could pay them more utilizing the money you would no longer be paying the cast offs whether the actual numbers work, who knows.

There is a lot of deadweight in the P5 and it has often been speculated that in some future iteration, there would be a culling of the week members of the herd. This is a way to do just that. I don’t know if the math works though.
 
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The interesting question would be would anyone be willing to pay members of the Atlantic and Pacific conference more than they are already paying the ACC? That’s what needs to happen for this to be anything other than random realignment musings. I guess that it’s possible that by cherry picking some ACC teams and some Pac 12 teams you could pay them more utilizing the money you would no longer be paying the cast offs whether the actual numbers work, who knows.

There is a lot of deadweight in the P5 and it has often been speculated that in some future iteration, there would be a culling of the week members of the herd. This is a way to do just that. I don’t know if the math works though.
Agreed - it gets back to the two dogs with fleas scenario and only makes things worse if you don't cull out the fleas. I find it hard to believe University presidents would opt into simply a larger second class system.
 
No way any program is going to accept a blatant unequal distribution.

I'll bet what's really got FSU's panties in a bunch is the fact that UCF is going to the Big 12. Not only does UCF have a recent national championship* under its belt and invited to make more cashe, it's going to be traveling to Texas and Oklahoma while FSU makes repeated trips to tobacco road. It's not like Orlando.

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For a year, then those trips become Waco, Lubbock and Stillwater. That can’t be the bee in fsu’s bonnet.
 



“On the surface, FSU has no leverage. Below the surface, FSU has no leverage. You don't just tear up and redo a 10-figure contract with 13 years remaining until its expiry.”

“ A big problem with all of it? There is a finite amount of cash in the ACC deal. If FSU or Clemson or Miami get paid more for winning the ACC, by consequence, the likes of Boston College and Wake Forest will get less.

Complicating matters is FSU making that ask in the middle of the contract where expected revenue has already been budgeted at member schools.”
 
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This is some very interesting manipulation of data. By going with average viewers, I presume that they are averaging the total of all broadcast games, including both football and basketball. That approach strongly favors FSU as a top football program with more games on broadcast tv.

I can’t help be struck by the irony of this list and the projections for income allocation according to it. Basically, it’s a coup by the other schools over Tobacco Road and especially Duke.
 
This is some very interesting manipulation of data. By going with average viewers, I presume that they are averaging the total of all broadcast games, including both football and basketball. That approach strongly favors FSU as a top football program with more games on broadcast tv.

I can’t help be struck by the irony of this list and the projections for income allocation according to it. Basically, it’s a coup by the other schools over Tobacco Road and especially Duke.
Sound familiar?
 
LONG SHOT: ESPN, ACC, And Pac-12 Talked About A Joint TV Deal. Could It Really Happen?

Not long after USC and UCLA left the Pac-12 for the Big Ten the ACC who has a history of not rushing into things wondered if there was a chance, they might be the next conference that would be poached. The rumors began back then that Clemson and Florida State were not happy with the ever-growing gap between the SEC, Big Ten, and ACC.

ACC commissioner Jim Phillips and Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff met to talk about the future and how both conferences might work out a way they could keep their members happy. Enter an unlikely partner to these conversations a couple of program executives from ESPN.

Some in the conference were upset that not only were they far behind the Big Ten and SEC, but they were not that far ahead of the Big 12. Meanwhile, out West, the Pac-12 was fending the Big-12 who is ready to poach members while wondering if the Big Ten would snag a couple more of schools to join with UCLA and USC.

So, the ACC and the Pac-12 began to look at ways they could perhaps form a partnership that could gain the dollars needed to keep their members happy enough to stay put and not bolt to another conference.

The Sports Illustrated reporting team of Ross Dellenger and Pat Forde was the duo that broke the story about the conversations and what was discussed by the group. There would not be a merger or an alliance but a proposed partnership where the ESPN-owned ACC Network — or a renamed entity combining the two leagues — has exclusive rights to air Pac-12 games to West Coast through multiple ESPN cable providers. The deal between the Pac-12 and the ACC would be a media rights agreement and likely take the place of the existing Pac-12 Network.

So, why would ESPN COULD want this partnership for the ACC and the Pac-12 happen?

The ACC Network has at present about 48 million subscribers and could benefit from the number of homes they could add in Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah and Washington.

The ACC Network is a revenue share deal with both sides equal 50–50 partners, meaning they boost ad prices for spots on Pac-12 games airing on the network, plus they get a monthly cable fee that could be boosted. Add to that putting some of the content on ESPN+ where again revenue can be shared the network keeps the present contract intact but can generate more cash with premier programming.

If ever came to pass it would solve a couple of problems first the ACC could by money generated from network exposure add money to their ESPN deal while Pac-12 would benefit by getting enough cash to satisfy their members in hopes of keeping the conference from losing members to the rival Big 12. Both the ACC’s Phillips and the Pac-12’s Kliavkof believed the idea had merit but knew it would take a great deal of time to pull together plus there would be plenty of hurdles to overcome.

A partnership could take a year or more to work out and there are plenty of things that could kill it before it ever made to the vote by the members. But when you are under attack you go off script and that is what the ACC and Pac-12 are doing.

 
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Could be that the ACCN is relatively new (compared to the 8 year data)...

ACCN was only launched in August 2019 with Comcast on board in 2021...

BUT...When I look at data from Big Ten Network, the audience numbers are small enough to not move any ranking...I would guess that the ACCN is similar.



 
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It’s hard to say how that would work. BC has stunk, but they are probably a bigger brand than Wake Forest. Wake has actually been pretty good on the field though. Anyway, it seems like after FSU, Clemson and maybe UNC, it would be tough to establish who is worth what.
I don’t think Wake or BC is a brand at all. A brand is something that when you see it coming up on TV, you think about watching it. I’m no marketer, just a guy who watches sports. When I flick on the College Football line up on Xfinity, and I see Wake vs. North Carolina coming up at 3:30 on the ACC network, I don’t care. I’m not interested. Not one bit. And ESPN knows that. Wake and North Carolina are not football brands. The only games I might watch in the ACC are FSU, Clemmy, and Miami. And Miami only to watch the futility, it’s a negative kind of watch. Miami has nothing going on. FSU and Clem, you watch for the energy, the insane crowd, the same reason I love watching Alabama, Georgia, LSU, sometimes FL, South Carolina, Tennessee. It’s the energy, stupid. It’s all about energy. You don’t get that at NC, Wake, UVA, or anywhere else. The energy sweeps you up. The talent. Penn State, Mich, OSU, USC UCLA. That’s where the energy is. Energy = eyeballs. ESPN knows that. CBS knows that.
 
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I don’t think Wake or BC is a brand at all. A brand is something that when you see it coming up on TV, you think about watching it. I’m no marketer, just a guy who watches sports. When I flick on the College Football line up on Xfinity, and I see Wake vs. North Carolina coming up at 3:30 on the ACC network, I don’t care. I’m not interested. Not one bit. And ESPN knows that. Wake and North Carolina are not football brands. The only games I might watch in the ACC are FSU, Clemmy, and Miami. And Miami only to watch the futility, it’s a negative kind of watch. Miami has nothing going on. FSU and Clem, you watch for the energy, the insane crowd, the same reason I love watching Alabama, Georgia, LSU, sometimes FL, South Carolina, Tennessee. It’s the energy, stupid. It’s all about energy. You don’t get that at NC, Wake, UVA, or anywhere else. The energy sweeps you up. The talent. Penn State, Mich, OSU, USC UCLA. That’s where the energy is. Energy = eyeballs. ESPN knows that. CBS knows that.
That’s fairly true, but there’s been great energy at UL, Rutgers and even UConn in the past. FSU was a morgue until Norvell turned it around. Energy can come and go.

Certain schools have brand recognition. UConn football is a media darling when it’s good. That’s because of the basketball brand. It creates a curiosity to see what the football team can do. I have no doubt UConn can add value to a good conference. I don’t think BC and Wake can.
 
No. UConn does not have the “energy.” Just wrong. People see the UConn game coming up on TV, no interest. Just the truth. Not trying to piss you off. I see UConn coming on, I set the remind button in case I forget, but I don’t forget. I watch UConn all the time. I’m just talking about around the country. No interest. Just like I have no interest in Wake and NC. No interest in Arizona v. Washington football game coming up. Illinois v. Nebraska. Missouri v. Texas A&M. Need I go on? You get it. No interest. You might have it on but you’re not watching. No passion for any of that. Unfortunately, that’s UConn.
 
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Well, if you are not going to satisfy anyone, why do it? I guarantee you will make some/most people unhappy and there’s no way to restructure ACC distributions to keep the most profitable teams from leaving when the GOR is up.
 
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Well, if you are not going to satisfy anyone, why do it? I guarantee you will make some/most people unhappy and there’s no way to restructure ACC distributions to keep the most profitable teams from leaving when the GOR is up.
I agree - seems one way to do it is to add schools to the conference, keep existing revenue streams intact, and unevenly split the revenue from the new schools. Not sure if ESPN is down for that, though. Maybe it's a non- starter unless it includes ND football which will not happen.
 
I agree - seems one way to do it is to add schools to the conference, keep existing revenue streams intact, and unevenly split the revenue from the new schools. Not sure if ESPN is down for that, though. Maybe it's a non- starter unless it includes ND football which will not happen.
This is what I wrote sometime last week. UConn will bring value with men's and women's hoops to their struggling ACC network. Workout a number, where UConn doesn't get a full share and they can split an amount that will quiet down some folks for some time.
 
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