Uneven revenue distribution model picking up steam in the ACC? (The Clemson Insider)
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I think the SEC would place a greater priority in adding top schools from Virginia and North Carolina over adding second schools to South Carolina and Florida.
Clemson and FSU may want to believe they are the most important ACC members and that the SEC would add them once available but I believe the only potential leverage those schools have is the threat of strengthening the B1G (if the B1G would consider that route).
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I think the value isn’t in new, adjacent states, but in big time football programs. But who knows
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Clemson AD Graham Neff: Unequal distribution of ACC revenue a ‘need’
By Jon Blau jblau@postandcourier.com
Feb 24, 2023
CLEMSON — As the Big Ten and Southeastern conferences deepen their pockets by adding schools with brand value, unequal distribution of ACC revenues has been floated as a way to keep bigger brand-name schools such as Clemson satisfied with their financial position in the conference.
When asked if unequal distribution was a “want” or a “need,” Clemson athletic director Graham Neff chose the stronger of the two words.
“In all candor, I put it as a need,” Neff said in an interview with The Post and Courier. “We certainly recognize the investment that we’ve continued to make as an institution, in our community, in athletics, namely in football, which certainly drives a lot of value that is important from a television and revenue-generation standpoint.
“Is it time revenue distribution within conferences, or at least the ACC, is done differently? Yeah, I’ve been very active in those conversations within the league and continue to expect to take a leadership role in our desire for that to be a changed circumstance. Urgently.”
“All options are on the table,” ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said in July. “When you look at revenue, you look at closing the gap, you look at generating more, you look at distribution. It all is part of a similar conversation.”
He isn’t setting a deadline for when it needs to happen, but Neff certainly wants to see it come to fruition sooner rather than later.
“I think nearer-term, from a budgeting cycle, etc., expect it to not be an imminent change, but that it come with a timeline that comes with a nearer-term plan ability,” Neff said. “No specific date. But it’s a very active conversation.
“The commissioner has been very forward in leading that and encouraging the ADs to look at it and, obviously, how we report up through our presidents group. It’s very top of mind for all those groups in the ACC.”
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By Jon Blau jblau@postandcourier.com
Feb 24, 2023
CLEMSON — As the Big Ten and Southeastern conferences deepen their pockets by adding schools with brand value, unequal distribution of ACC revenues has been floated as a way to keep bigger brand-name schools such as Clemson satisfied with their financial position in the conference.
When asked if unequal distribution was a “want” or a “need,” Clemson athletic director Graham Neff chose the stronger of the two words.
“In all candor, I put it as a need,” Neff said in an interview with The Post and Courier. “We certainly recognize the investment that we’ve continued to make as an institution, in our community, in athletics, namely in football, which certainly drives a lot of value that is important from a television and revenue-generation standpoint.
“Is it time revenue distribution within conferences, or at least the ACC, is done differently? Yeah, I’ve been very active in those conversations within the league and continue to expect to take a leadership role in our desire for that to be a changed circumstance. Urgently.”
“All options are on the table,” ACC commissioner Jim Phillips said in July. “When you look at revenue, you look at closing the gap, you look at generating more, you look at distribution. It all is part of a similar conversation.”
He isn’t setting a deadline for when it needs to happen, but Neff certainly wants to see it come to fruition sooner rather than later.
“I think nearer-term, from a budgeting cycle, etc., expect it to not be an imminent change, but that it come with a timeline that comes with a nearer-term plan ability,” Neff said. “No specific date. But it’s a very active conversation.
“The commissioner has been very forward in leading that and encouraging the ADs to look at it and, obviously, how we report up through our presidents group. It’s very top of mind for all those groups in the ACC.”
Clemson AD Graham Neff: Unequal distribution of ACC revenue a 'need'
The ACC finds itself falling behind the Big Ten and SEC in television revenues. Clemson athletic director Graham Neff would like to see the Tigers get a bigger slice of
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It may be a need on Clemson's end but that doesn't mean the ACC views it as a need. The ACC has more than just a couple football programs to satisfy with their revenue distributions.
Better question. Is it a need for networks, BIG, SEC? When I was a kid, I had a need for certain women, but it wasn’t a reciprocal need. The reality is, it is a want?
The Pac 12’s Leadership Needs To Ink A New Media Deal Then Start ACC Merger Talks.
“The answer is there is no reason for any of the Pac 12 members including the “Four Corner Schools to leave the conference at this point,” says Florida-based media consultant Jeff Edwards. “What the conference needs is to stay together and quickly ink a new four- or five-year media rights deal as we see how the college realignment saga plays out. I think that staying together and using that time to engage the ACC in talks about a future merger or alliance is in the best interest of both conferences. The chance to join the Big 12 will be there four years from now.”
Last summer, the ACC and Pac-12 had detailed conversations about a partnership, involving a championship football game between the two conferences, as well as other basketball and Olympic sports events that could land both leagues a better media rights deal as UCLA and USC left for the Big Ten. At the time there were too many moving parts to go further plus the ACC rights deal that pays each school 36 million dollars through 2036 seemed a massive obstacle.
It was actually the ACC and more to the point the University of North Carolina that brought up the idea. Andrew Carter of The News & Observer, last summer reported that university leadership at North Carolina floated the idea of a “super conference” between the ACC and Pac-12.
“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12[?]” UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham texted university chancellor Kevin Guskiewicz.
“We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” Guskiewicz responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering,” he continued.
“We need to think about what outcomes we want? What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school? Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?” Cunningham questioned..
There remains an open channel between the ACC and The Pac-12 about ways they can work together in the future. Merger talks are not a dream or a media hyped story there is clearly room for some serious conversations.
An Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference could offer media partners some outstanding big-name college sports brands in all four time zones starting at noon on the East coast, heading into the Central, Mountain, and ending the night on the Pacific coast. We are talking Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the East, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and North Carolina in the South, for now, SMU in the Central, Colorado, and Utah in the Mountains then it is Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Oregon, Stanford, and Washington out West.
That is a mega-conference with the star power and the media markets to land a big media deal. This would take four or five years to work out, but it would be time well spent if it could be pulled off.
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“The answer is there is no reason for any of the Pac 12 members including the “Four Corner Schools to leave the conference at this point,” says Florida-based media consultant Jeff Edwards. “What the conference needs is to stay together and quickly ink a new four- or five-year media rights deal as we see how the college realignment saga plays out. I think that staying together and using that time to engage the ACC in talks about a future merger or alliance is in the best interest of both conferences. The chance to join the Big 12 will be there four years from now.”
Last summer, the ACC and Pac-12 had detailed conversations about a partnership, involving a championship football game between the two conferences, as well as other basketball and Olympic sports events that could land both leagues a better media rights deal as UCLA and USC left for the Big Ten. At the time there were too many moving parts to go further plus the ACC rights deal that pays each school 36 million dollars through 2036 seemed a massive obstacle.
It was actually the ACC and more to the point the University of North Carolina that brought up the idea. Andrew Carter of The News & Observer, last summer reported that university leadership at North Carolina floated the idea of a “super conference” between the ACC and Pac-12.
“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12[?]” UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham texted university chancellor Kevin Guskiewicz.
“We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” Guskiewicz responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering,” he continued.
“We need to think about what outcomes we want? What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school? Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?” Cunningham questioned..
There remains an open channel between the ACC and The Pac-12 about ways they can work together in the future. Merger talks are not a dream or a media hyped story there is clearly room for some serious conversations.
An Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference could offer media partners some outstanding big-name college sports brands in all four time zones starting at noon on the East coast, heading into the Central, Mountain, and ending the night on the Pacific coast. We are talking Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the East, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and North Carolina in the South, for now, SMU in the Central, Colorado, and Utah in the Mountains then it is Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Oregon, Stanford, and Washington out West.
That is a mega-conference with the star power and the media markets to land a big media deal. This would take four or five years to work out, but it would be time well spent if it could be pulled off.
The Pac 12’s Leadership Needs To Ink A New Media Deal Then Start ACC Merger Talks.
Now Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff goal is to work with Amazon, ESPN, and a few potential mystery partners in the hopes of beating the Big 12 deal done with Fox and ESPN that pays about $31.7 million per school for the next six years.
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No way any program is going to accept a blatant unequal distribution.
I'll bet what's really got FSU's panties in a bunch is the fact that UCF is going to the Big 12. Not only does UCF have a recent national championship* under its belt and invited to make more cashe, it's going to be traveling to Texas and Oklahoma while FSU makes repeated trips to tobacco road. It's not like Orlando.
I'll bet what's really got FSU's panties in a bunch is the fact that UCF is going to the Big 12. Not only does UCF have a recent national championship* under its belt and invited to make more cashe, it's going to be traveling to Texas and Oklahoma while FSU makes repeated trips to tobacco road. It's not like Orlando.
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I have a hard time believing this will be all that appealing to fans/tv viewers and or media companies. There's an old expression in business mergers - if you but together two dogs with fleas, you end up with one bigger dog with fleas.The Pac 12’s Leadership Needs To Ink A New Media Deal Then Start ACC Merger Talks.
“The answer is there is no reason for any of the Pac 12 members including the “Four Corner Schools to leave the conference at this point,” says Florida-based media consultant Jeff Edwards. “What the conference needs is to stay together and quickly ink a new four- or five-year media rights deal as we see how the college realignment saga plays out. I think that staying together and using that time to engage the ACC in talks about a future merger or alliance is in the best interest of both conferences. The chance to join the Big 12 will be there four years from now.”
Last summer, the ACC and Pac-12 had detailed conversations about a partnership, involving a championship football game between the two conferences, as well as other basketball and Olympic sports events that could land both leagues a better media rights deal as UCLA and USC left for the Big Ten. At the time there were too many moving parts to go further plus the ACC rights deal that pays each school 36 million dollars through 2036 seemed a massive obstacle.
It was actually the ACC and more to the point the University of North Carolina that brought up the idea. Andrew Carter of The News & Observer, last summer reported that university leadership at North Carolina floated the idea of a “super conference” between the ACC and Pac-12.
“Should we explore a partnership with the Big 12 or Pac 12[?]” UNC athletic director Bubba Cunningham texted university chancellor Kevin Guskiewicz.
“We could have a super conference both athletically and academically,” Guskiewicz responded. “Probably would need to be called the Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference (APAC). Maybe that’s crazy, but if it would get us a better TV deal, it may be worth considering,” he continued.
“We need to think about what outcomes we want? What are our priorities? Do we want to maintain all teams in the ACC? Is this a new league? Do we want to have the same number of teams at each school? Should we play a national schedule or regional schedule?” Cunningham questioned..
There remains an open channel between the ACC and The Pac-12 about ways they can work together in the future. Merger talks are not a dream or a media hyped story there is clearly room for some serious conversations.
An Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference could offer media partners some outstanding big-name college sports brands in all four time zones starting at noon on the East coast, heading into the Central, Mountain, and ending the night on the Pacific coast. We are talking Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse in the East, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, and North Carolina in the South, for now, SMU in the Central, Colorado, and Utah in the Mountains then it is Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Oregon, Stanford, and Washington out West.
That is a mega-conference with the star power and the media markets to land a big media deal. This would take four or five years to work out, but it would be time well spent if it could be pulled off.
The Pac 12’s Leadership Needs To Ink A New Media Deal Then Start ACC Merger Talks.
Now Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff goal is to work with Amazon, ESPN, and a few potential mystery partners in the hopes of beating the Big 12 deal done with Fox and ESPN that pays about $31.7 million per school for the next six years.
Think AOL/Time Warner
Pretty close I would say.
Makes no sense to me. East coast & West coast with nothing between.
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I have a hard time believing this will be all that appealing to fans/tv viewers and or media companies. There's an old expression in business mergers - if you but together two dogs with fleas, you end up with one bigger dog with fleas.
I have a hard time believing this will be all that appealing to fans/tv viewers and or media companies. There's an old expression in business mergers - if you but together two dogs with fleas, you end up with one bigger dog with fleas.
It's probably being discussed because you have two conferences with no real good adds. And they are probably palatable to the school presidents as far as rankings and research.
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Agreed - seems like a forced marriage doomed for failure.
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How shortsighted the ACC was in who they added through conference realignment. Outside of Miami, I don’t think any former Big East school adds much value to the ACC and most appear to be net losses to the conference.
Meanwhile, look at what adding Rutgers and Maryland did for the B1G.
Meanwhile, look at what adding Rutgers and Maryland did for the B1G.
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Agree, now bundling the media rights and selling them together is worth looking at.
Only possible if divided into east & west and TV deals want it.
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The PAC/ACC Combo makes zero sense. If the ACC is worth 35 million and the PAC is worth 20 million how is a combination of the two leagues suddenly going to be worth significantly more? Nobody cares about these conferences outside of maybe 8-9 teams. That leaves about 15-16 teams that nobody gives a rip about. Nobody is paying for Wake Forest v. Cal or GT v. Washington State. About the only thing that might be additive would be a championship game between the winners of both conferences. That said how much is ESPN or Apple paying for that? Are they going pay 20+ million dollars? Unlikely. Maybe every team gets an extra 500K. This is peanuts when you are talking about the B1G and SEC making potentially 75-100 million per year.
Conferences other than the P2 are going to have to do some out of the box thinking. Maybe that involves UConn. Nobody is saying it will be P2 money.
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If divided into east and west, it seems like you'd have the same animal. Why bother?
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Well, it does kinda. Same time zone and everyone from the northeast eventually moves south from the carolinas to florida. Everyone or half of their family. Maybe not all the way to Syracuse but certainly to CT and NYC. I think that's why it also makes sense for one of the AZ schools to go B1G.
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Only about 200k retirees move to a different state each year. Most people will never live in the Carolinas or Florida, let alone "everyone from the northeast."
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Didn't Dave Benedict make some vague tweet awhile back about how schools in the future might be parking some programs in one conference and the rest in another? I have no idea if that plays any role or relevance in this.
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"Everyone or half of their family." exageration? sure. we've personally made many drives south to visit family who have left for greener pastures. And what about non-retirees? No need to wait until you retire to play golf year round.
This guy has an interesting take. It would involve the PAC and most of the ACC.
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