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Oregon State stays unbeaten, winning 2nd half 32-30 and game by 12, 72-60, escaping an upset with three pointers. Either Oregon State is worse than thought, Colorado better than thought, or a little of both. Whatever, put this one down to an encouraging game for young Buffs and a warning to Oregon State. Oregon State is third in polls. I am not sure they are third in PAC-12. UConn would have ripped them.
 
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UCLA wins 70-58 to remain unbeaten and drop Arizona from unbeaten. After Oregon State-Colorado game, I would see UCLA passing Oregon State in polls. Or maybe I should say should.
 
UCLA wins 70-58 to remain unbeaten and drop Arizona from unbeaten. After Oregon State-Colorado game, I would see UCLA passing Oregon State in polls. Or maybe I should say should.
Could happen in Massey. He had UCLA sixth, right behind OSU.
 
Could happen in Massey. He had UCLA sixth, right behind OSU.
Yeah, especially when you consider Colorado lost their tall center/forward three minutes into game to an injury but who managed two rebounds before being helped off the floor. Colorado easily penetrated Oregon State’s defense and missed a ridiculous number of uncontested layups and very short jumpers while shooting under 50% at the stripe. Colorado should have won by, say, 6 or 8.
 
Yeah, especially when you consider Colorado lost their tall center/forward three minutes into game to an injury but who managed two rebounds before being helped off the floor. Colorado easily penetrated Oregon State’s defense and missed a ridiculous number of uncontested layups and very short jumpers while shooting under 50% at the stripe. Colorado should have won by, say, 6 or 8.

Oregon St. also missed a lot of short range shots. But yeah the FT shooting for CU was terrible, left a lot of points on the board. OSU did not play well, they really have not been impressing me since the NIT and @ Miami. Been a long stretch of games of mediocre ball for them.
 
Deb Antonelli has a vote and she stated today (before the OSU game) that OSU is her #1 team.

I think that this was during the UVA-NC State game.
 
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Deb Antonelli has a vote and she stated today (before the OSU game) that OSU is her #1 team.

I think that this was during the UVA-NC State game.

I don't have a vote, but I disagree w/ Deb. They have not been playing anything like a #1 team.
 
Instead of ignoring, prepare. Only one UConn player, Walker, could crack the Oregon lineup and she might actually be the sixth player. Kelly Graves is a very good coach. He could have told his players: have fun, do whatever you want, you are just better. Instead, he looked at the freshman point guard coming off a near triple double against Utah and told his team to attack her, get her in foul trouble. He looked at Colorado’s powerful forward-post player and attacked, getting her into foul trouble, thus keeping the ball out of the hands of CU’s best three point threat. He ordered a fierce, relentless defense against young, inexperienced. What he will do against UConn is to attack Liv, getting her into foul trouble, and once she is on the bench, running wild. He has the bench, UConn doesn’t. An Oregon starter was out for one game, the bench replacement scored 34, and went back to bench.This game is up to Geno to outcoach Kelly. I am just trying to be realistic, looking for ways to win this season, while understanding UConn’s reemergence comes next year and the three years following.
You’re telling me that #1 out of high school Meg, #1 Christyn, #3 Crystal, and #5 Liv wouldn’t have a shot at making the starting lineup? Uh, did you know Oregon recruited Anna Makurat? Man, that PAC 12 Kool Aid is some strong stuff
 
I don't have a vote, but I disagree w/ Deb. They have not been playing anything like a #1 team.
I only mentioned this because I thought that there were quite a few visitors to this forum that talked about OSU being the real #1 team for the last couple of polls, not UConn.
I also thought it strange because Deb tends to favor South Carolina or the SEC in general if given the opportunity.
 
Instead of ignoring, prepare. Only one UConn player, Walker, could crack the Oregon lineup and she might actually be the sixth player. Kelly Graves is a very good coach. He could have told his players: have fun, do whatever you want, you are just better. Instead, he looked at the freshman point guard coming off a near triple double against Utah and told his team to attack her, get her in foul trouble. He looked at Colorado’s powerful forward-post player and attacked, getting her into foul trouble, thus keeping the ball out of the hands of CU’s best three point threat. He ordered a fierce, relentless defense against young, inexperienced. What he will do against UConn is to attack Liv, getting her into foul trouble, and once she is on the bench, running wild. He has the bench, UConn doesn’t. An Oregon starter was out for one game, the bench replacement scored 34, and went back to bench.This game is up to Geno to outcoach Kelly. I am just trying to be realistic, looking for ways to win this season, while understanding UConn’s reemergence comes next year and the three years following.
I guess UConn should just plan a trip to Europe that day. If Hebard is so good, why didn't she beat out Liv for the final spot on the USA team? And of course, if you think Boley and Moore are better than Meg and CW you've been kissing the wrong end of your horse.
 
I only mentioned this because I thought that there were quite a few visitors to this forum that talked about OSU being the real #1 team for the last couple of polls, not UConn.
I also thought it strange because Deb tends to favor South Carolina or the SEC in general if given the opportunity.
She obviously never looks at Sabermetrics, which seems to be common with basketball commentators. In Baseball, that is fortunately not the case.
 
After Oregon State-Colorado game, I would see UCLA passing Oregon State in polls. Or maybe I should say should.
That won't happen. But, Oregon State will have to play much better offensively to beat Arizona in Tucson next Friday. The Beavers play solid defense consistently, but the offensive flow and ball movement need improvement.
 
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You’re telling me that #1 out of high school Meg, #1 Christyn, #3 Crystal, and #5 Liv wouldn’t have a shot at making the starting lineup? Uh, did you know Oregon recruited Anna Makurat? Man, that PAC 12 Kool Aid is some strong stuff
whoa whoa, don’t throw the rest of us under the crazy bus! What do we look like, players on Muffet McGraw’s team? I’ve been voting UConn #1 every BY poll this season!
 
whoa whoa, don’t throw the rest of us under the crazy bus! What do we look like, players on Muffet McGraw’s team? I’ve been voting UConn #1 every BY poll this season!
I am talking positions. Crystal is a tremendous point guard but would she beat out Sabrina? Liv is doing a tremendous job but does she replace Satou Sabally. Or Ruthy Hebard? Does Meg and Cristina bench either or Erin Boley? How does Kyla, Anna or Aubrey match up with Minyon Moore? I am not surprised Oregon was recruiting Anna. I am just trying not to go into this with blinders. And on any given night any UConn player could outplay any Oregon player. Both Oregon and UConn are filled with unselfish team players. Coaching? Hard to replace Geno but Kelly isn’t chopped liver. Still, I love our team.
 
I am talking positions. Crystal is a tremendous point guard but would she beat out Sabrina? Liv is doing a tremendous job but does she replace Satou Sabally. Or Ruthy Hebard? Does Meg and Cristina bench either or Erin Boley? How does Kyla, Anna or Aubrey match up with Minyon Moore? I am not surprised Oregon was recruiting Anna. I am just trying not to go into this with blinders. And on any given night any UConn player could outplay any Oregon player. Both Oregon and UConn are filled with unselfish team players. Coaching? Hard to replace Geno but Kelly isn’t chopped liver. Still, I love our team.

Although I hesitate to take part in a discussion like this--especially here--maybe another way to frame the issue is to ask: if I were a member of the Oregon staff who would I "trade" for whom (as a starter) in order to make the team stronger? So, yes, this is about positions, and it's also about what a player brings to the table for Oregon at this point in her career--not upside, not who will be the better player a year or two from now (or maybe even now), and certainly not about recruiting rankings, which really don't work very well for this Oregon team, and which UCONN, in any case, will always win hands down.

So, given that, I'd trade Erin Boley for Meg in a heartbeat, but after? Christyn may be a better guard than Moore in some (many?) respects, but she is clearly not Moore's equal defensively and mostly adds (imo) something that is already one of Oregon's strengths rather than, as Moore does, expands the team's capabilities. So I'd pass on that one. And, whatever the thinking of the USA team staff, it's difficult for me to see Liv as a more important contributor than Hebard, who has been extraordinarily (and consistently) productive for some three years now, including the game against that US team in November. Again, that doesn't mean that Liv doesn't have a higher upside than Hebard--I believe that's obvious--nor does it mean that down the road her accomplishments won't be superior, but, as good as she is, especially defensively, I don't think that Oregon would be a better team right now with her in the starting lineup instead of Ruthy.

As for Makurat, good coaches recognize good talent. (UCONN also beat out Oregon for Nika Muhl.)
 
Four teams remain unbeaten. It is possible (though not likely) that these four could remain unbeaten until 2/17 when UCLA and Oregon St play each other.
TEAM
Wins
Next Games
NC St​
14​
1/9 @ North Carolina​
1/12 @ Notre Dame​
1/16 Florida St​
Oregon St​
14​
1/10 @ Arizona​
1/12 @ Arizona St​
1/17 California​
UCLA​
14​
1/10 @ Utah​
1/12 @ Colorado​
1/17 @ USC​
UCONN​
12​
1/9 Baylor​
1/11 Houston​
1/14 @ Memphis​
 
Four teams remain unbeaten. It is possible (though not likely) that these four could remain unbeaten until 2/17 when UCLA and Oregon St play each other.

OSU's upcoming stretch is at the Arizona schools, Stanford at home and then back to back with Oregon. Chances of remaining unbeaten are extremely small.

edit--UCLA has to play @ Stanford and has Oregon right before OSU, so they also very likely will not be undefeated either.--and @ the Arizona schools; they barely beat ASU in LA this weekend.
 
2 less on the list after tonight--NC State and UConn both lost.
 
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Although I hesitate to take part in a discussion like this--especially here--maybe another way to frame the issue is to ask: if I were a member of the Oregon staff who would I "trade" for whom (as a starter) in order to make the team stronger? So, yes, this is about positions, and it's also about what a player brings to the table for Oregon at this point in her career--not upside, not who will be the better player a year or two from now (or maybe even now), and certainly not about recruiting rankings, which really don't work very well for this Oregon team, and which UCONN, in any case, will always win hands down.

So, given that, I'd trade Erin Boley for Meg in a heartbeat, but after? Christyn may be a better guard than Moore in some (many?) respects, but she is clearly not Moore's equal defensively and mostly adds (imo) something that is already one of Oregon's strengths rather than, as Moore does, expands the team's capabilities. So I'd pass on that one. And, whatever the thinking of the USA team staff, it's difficult for me to see Liv as a more important contributor than Hebard, who has been extraordinarily (and consistently) productive for some three years now, including the game against that US team in November. Again, that doesn't mean that Liv doesn't have a higher upside than Hebard--I believe that's obvious--nor does it mean that down the road her accomplishments won't be superior, but, as good as she is, especially defensively, I don't think that Oregon would be a better team right now with her in the starting lineup instead of Ruthy.

As for Makurat, good coaches recognize good talent. (UCONN also beat out Oregon for Nika Muhl.)
Exactly what I thought in my original post, though I am not sure Liv has the bulk to compete against powerful bigs. After Baylor game, I am sure of that. CW is only going to get better and better but in my post I was talking this year. Meg is gold.
 
I guess UConn should just plan a trip to Europe that day. If Hebard is so good, why didn't she beat out Liv for the final spot on the USA team? And of course, if you think Boley and Moore are better than Meg and CW you've been kissing the wrong end of your horse.
Actually, I said Meg would crack starting lineup and I believe CW is improving leaps and bounds. So there’s no “of course.” How many Oregon games have you watched? Look at Baylor game. Liv is 6’ 5” but she has a slender frame and can be dominated by more muscular bigs, as in Baylor game. Automatically, Oregon starts out with three, I would make Meg 4th starter. The fifth is up for grabs. UConn is playing at home, call that a 6 point advantage. Best check out that horse again. But the real competition is in Pac-12. No team, not even Oregon, will get out with less than two conference loses.
 
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Only two remain. Both Pac-12.
Team​
Wins​
Next Games​
Oregon St​
15​
1/12 @ Arizona State​
1/17 California​
1/19 Stanford​
UCLA​
15​
1/12 @Colorado​
1/17 @USC​
1/24 Washington​
 
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My guess is UCLA is the last to fall. No undefeated teams this year.
Colorado Buffaloes (otherwise known here as Colorado Frauds here) leading 17-10 at end of one. It probably won’t last. Still...
UCLA takes lead 17 minutes in, thanks to a Colorado recruit, and leads 35-29 at half.
 
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Strange game. Colorado up 7 after Q1. UCLA went on a huge run, was up 21 most of the way thru Q3. Now it's down to a 4 point margin late in the game.
 
Colorado down by 25, closed to 2 with 19 seconds left, when refs missed an obvious UCLA foul and gave ball to UCLA, which scored a free throw to win by 3 65-62.
Absolutely great performance by a no quit Colorado. Maybe UCLA’s top scorer regrets leaving Colorado for Los Angeles. They threw a major scare into No. 3 Oregon State and nearly took No. 8 UCLA, possibly either best or second best team in PAC-12 (and perhaps nation.) This is what I meant when I argued it was absurd to refer to CU’s 12 win unbeaten streak as a fraud. The last laugh feels good.
 
Maybe UCLA’s top scorer regrets leaving Colorado for Los Angeles.

Your enthusiasm for a rebuilding CU program is great, but why in the world would Onyenwere regret her decision? Look at the previous 2 seasons. I think she made a good choice.
 
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