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Bigboote said:
Lou WAS hurt last year and didn’t go through a shooting slump like this. Things like this just happen. Let’s hope her shot comes back in the NCAA tourney.
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Let’s hope it comes back sooner than that, like on Wednesday against Memphis. Lou will be fine. Her biorhythms were probably out of sync today. :cool:
 
MilfordHusky said:
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Megan is kinda laid back and good natured, but I'm thinkin' you don't really wanna mess with her - she's stronger than you.
 
FridaFriend said:
Lou seems to get more emotional about being pushed around than other UCONN players. I see her complain to the refs a lot more than other players. I wonder whether her reactions are a distraction and are causing her to miss shots. I thought Collier got fouled many times today, but she is more low key about it and she seems to somehow avoid fouls to the face more easily.
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Who didn't get fouled?
 
ONO was by no means a project coming out of HS. Her improvement, though, validates for the umpteenth CD's status as a HOF coach. ONO obviously needs to get stronger and according to several reports, needs better effort in practice. It is fun watching her play now for extended periods at a consistent level.
 
From the Orlando Sentinel.

"UCF delivered physical play, but UConn ultimately imposed it's will, outworking the Knights inside and out."

“I think that's part of our game, being physical don't let them get as many easy cuts as they did in the first game,” Wright said. “I think we did a pretty good job on that, jamming cutters and it was pretty good for us.”

“I think we did a pretty good job on that, jamming cutters, face guarding every chance we get and sometimes hitting the face and it was pretty good for us.” (I fixed it for you)

UCF women's basketball can't keep up with No. 4 UConn, falls 78-41
 
Is there any video links from the either coach talking about the physicality of the game? i am intrigued to hear what each has to say.
At one point it looked like Geno was saying something to the UCF coach.
 
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"UCF delivered physical play, but UConn ultimately imposed it's will, outworking the Knights inside and out."

“I think that's part of our game, being physical don't let them get as many easy cuts as they did in the first game,” Wright said. “I think we did a pretty good job on that, jamming cutters and it was pretty good for us.”

Someone needs to tell Kay Kay a few facts. You lost by 37 points. Shooting 34% from the field isn't going to get it done. If she thinks jamming the cutters was pretty good for them, not much one can say.

And Geno was not happy at all. He made it very clear that UCF was very chippy and that style of play is taught by Coach Abe. Not a glowing recommendation. As I said before, when you don't have the talent to compete with UConn, you have to play very physical and hope from there.
 
huskeynut said:
"UCF delivered physical play, but UConn ultimately imposed it's will, outworking the Knights inside and out."

“I think that's part of our game, being physical don't let them get as many easy cuts as they did in the first game,” Wright said. “I think we did a pretty good job on that, jamming cutters and it was pretty good for us.”

Someone needs to tell Kay Kay a few facts. You lost by 37 points. Shooting 34% from the field isn't going to get it done. If she thinks jamming the cutters was pretty good for them, not much one can say.

And Geno was not happy at all. He made it very clear that UCF was very chippy and that style of play is taught by Coach Abe. Not a glowing recommendation. As I said before, when you don't have the talent to compete with UConn, you have to play very physical and hope from there.
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Doubt at this stage of her coaching career, Coach Abe is concerned with competing with UConn. Out of her league, literally and figuratively. She is trying to build a style that allows her team, with average talent at best, to finish 2nd in AAC and make NCAA's. Time will tell if this works and is good for her personal career.
 
FridaFriend said:
Lou seems to get more emotional about being pushed around than other UCONN players. I see her complain to the refs a lot more than other players. I wonder whether her reactions are a distraction and are causing her to miss shots. I thought Collier got fouled many times today, but she is more low key about it and she seems to somehow avoid fouls to the face more easily.
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I believe that Lou is the only current player that was actually given a black eye during a game and this season was given a hip check (with the ref standing right there) and people question her "complaining". We all know that UConn always has a bullseye on their backs but Lou seems to be the only one with a bullseye on her front. Watch some replays and see how it is our opponents goal to make sure that Lou isn't the player that is going to beat them this season.
 
There is physical play and there is dirty play. At times, UCF plays physical ball, closing hard and trapping on defense, which forces turnovers and bad shots. They also crash the boards hard on both ends of the court. I commend the Black Knights for the physical element of their play.

Unfortunately, UCF is also guilty of dirty play. Closing out on a shooter with your arm raised upward is basketball 101. What is not basketball 101 is closing out on a shooter with a arm horizontal and your hand directed at their face. What is also dirty play is clothes lining or hip checking a player whenever they cut through the lane.

Sometimes these dirty plays happen in the course of a basketball game when a player is out of position and makes an awkward or frustrated play. But with UCF, so many players use these techniques that the only conclusion that I can make is that these are techniques that are taught and encouraged by Coach Abe and her staff.

Coach Abe has clearly turned around UCF WBB by instilling the program with a sense of toughness. Unfortunately, she has also demeaned the program by fostering a culture that accepts cheap shots, dangerous play and trash talking nonsense.
 
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oldude said:
There is physical play and there is dirty play. At times, UCF plays physical ball, closing hard and trapping on defense, which forces turnovers and bad shots. They also crash the boards hard on both ends of the court. I commend the Black Knights for the physical element of their play.

Unfortunately, UCF is also guilty of dirty play. Closing out on a shooter with your arm raised upward is basketball 101. What is not basketball 101 is closing out on a shooter with a arm horizontal and your hand directed at their face. What is also dirty play is clothes lining or hip checking a player whenever they cut through the lane.

Sometimes these dirty plays happen in the course of a basketball game when a player is out of position and makes an awkward or frustrated play. But with UCF, so many players use these techniques that the only conclusion that I can make is that these are techniques that are taught and encouraged by Coach Abe and her staff.

Coach Abe has clearly turned around UCF WBB by instilling the program with a sense of toughness. Unfortunately, she has also demeaned the program by fostering a culture that accepts cheap shots, dangerous play and trash talking nonsense.
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Her game plan clearly included foul at every opportunity and try not to get caught, but make it worthwhile (the getting caught) by making it a hard. Lot of a blind siding fouls. Karma is a beatch I'm told.
 
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RockyMTblue2 said:
Her game plan clearly included foul at every opportunity and try not to get caught, but make it worthwhile (the getting caught) by making it a hard. Lot of a blind siding fouls. Karma is a beatch I'm told. Team motto: "We may not be very good, but we are dirty."
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Teams pay so much attention to Lou that it frees other players. There doesn't seem to be a lot of plays designed to get her open but mostly you can't fault a game plan designed at getting Pheesa in the paint. It is when there are good taller girls going up against her that problems appear. And in two losses we didn't seem to have a plan B. And, yes, teams don't play that dirty unless their coach approves. With that style you can beat up weaker teams but against the elites you end up with Lou pointing at scoreboard.
 
"Whack a Lou" is the best description for this game I could come up with. All that physical play by UCF resulting in a 37 point beat down? That was the best response UConn could have made. It also indicates that maybe the WWF approach is not the way to win basketball games.
 
Ozimoto said:
"Whack a Lou" is the best description for this game I could come up with. All that physical play by UCF resulting in a 37 point beat down? That was the best response UConn could have made. It also indicates that maybe the WWF approach is not the way to win basketball games.
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It was the best and only response, because the officiating crew reminded me of the home game crews in another southern building. BUT on to the next game for me. No sense chewing on it after today.
 
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HuskyNan said:
I have seasons tix for UCF but I can’t root for them. They play Temple next week. I’m going to wear red to the game and root for Tonya’s kids
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Shame really. Maybe she moves on up and out after this season.
 
tomcat said:
Coombs does some very nice things on defense and does not look completely lost in the offense but OMG, her shooting.
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I keep thinking that, last year, Mikayla played more consistently and aggressively than Megan did (which caused much angst here on the BY) and was really coming along until she got shut down because of a blood clot in March.

That means we know Mikayla has the goods; now it remains to be seen if she can build on last year's play. (And, apparently, she agrees with me. ;) “'I finally felt like things were starting to come together, just adjusting,' she said." LINK to CT Post article.)
 
victor64 said:
ONO was by no means a project coming out of HS. Her improvement, though, validates for the umpteenth CD's status as a HOF coach. ONO obviously needs to get stronger and according to several reports, needs better effort in practice. It is fun watching her play now for extended periods at a consistent level.
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Victor64, I could not agree more. ONO’s short comings are brought to light after ever game by fans disappointed in her play, and who expect her to play like an experienced junior or senior.

This will continue for the remainder of the season. While they know she’s a freshman, they don’t expect her to play like one, despite the fact that she's still learning, and still trying to figure things out.

This is as bad as we will see her play during her 4 years at UConn. No doubt her harshest critics will be happy with her play next year. I’m elated that we got Christyn too, but ONO was the one 2018 recruit I wanted most, especially after Charli Collier did that 180 on us. We needed her height desperately.

She was far from being a project coming out of HS. She was a McDonald’s All American, coveted by every top 25 program in the country. Teaira McCowan (Mississippi State) was a project.
 
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Sargassoc said:
I keep thinking that, last year, Mikayla played more consistently and aggressively than Megan did (which caused much angst here on the BY) and was really coming along until she got shut down because of a blood clot in March.

That means we know Mikayla has the goods; now it remains to be seen if she can build on last year's play. (And, apparently, she agrees with me. ;) “'I finally felt like things were starting to come together, just adjusting,' she said." LINK to CT Post article.)
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When I watch Mikayla on defense or handling the ball I get excited. When I watch her shoot the ball I get deflated. I have never seen a quicker more athletic player who is a great defender and ball handler with such a fundamentally bad shot. Frankly, I am baffled by it.
 
Centerstream said:
I believe that Lou is the only current player that was actually given a black eye during a game and this season was given a hip check (with the ref standing right there) and people question her "complaining". We all know that UConn always has a bullseye on their backs but Lou seems to be the only one with a bullseye on her front. Watch some replays and see how it is our opponents goal to make sure that Lou isn't the player that is going to beat them this season.
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Shaq experienced the same thing during his three year college career at LSU. His coach Dale Brown encouraged him to forego his senior season because he feared Shaq would be seriously injured by some goon and never be able to cash in on NBA riches. Shaq took the advice and left.
 
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BroadwayVa said:
@tomcat I saw the same things with Coombs. She can't hit the side of a barn with a baseball stick. Yet, her defense was great, quick hands, and to top that no one--is going to trap her UCF tried hard thinking she was the Frosh and weakest link--she wasn't Her ball handing is great her shooting, will come but most likely over the summer. She today looked like the ONLY choice as a back up for Danger.
Terrible game, great game. 5 almost 6 in double figure, and 6 scoring well. This has to be a plus for Geno. The reserves need the addition of Touly to have any semblence of real fire power. If healthy she could be a wonderful addition/sub for one of the posts. I like Irwin too but Touly has an edge even with her limited mobility.

EDIT: I know Coombs is a Soph. Although it isn't always the most important thought as I write of her attributes.
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I really wish we could merge Coombs and Bent into one player. Take the shot of Bent and merge it with the defense and all around bball IQ of Coombs. That would be one good player. Remember K. McClaren? A healthy BatCam could really be a difference maker.
 
bbballfan23 said:
Beat Lou up and get her frustrated seems to be a lot of teams gameplan the last couple years. I’m not saying she isn’t tough because that’s not true but she allows other players to get under her skin & usually it doesn’t help her overall game. ND will be 100x worse if we face them again.
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I think the defensive book since Baylor has been to heavily pressure her. She's been exposed at the 3 line, but that's okay. There is a lot more to her game now.

UCF just broadcast it again. There is no denying that the UCF plan worked in that it erased Lou's points from the scoresheet. The fact that it was executed the way they did was simply that the UCF players lacked the skill to run it without the outright mugging that it turned into.

I'll claim it worked because we DID NOT break 80.

Moving forward I think Geno is accurate....defensively we are what we are, so not a lot of upside in improvement from that side of the ball. --- so we just nee to outscore people on offense.

If a team has the players who can "take Lou's points" off the board, then somebody has to make up for them----and IMO that MW and CW. Forget pts from ONO, if we get them then its gravy, ONO has to help defensively first.

I think we beat Baylor --- we came close playing 3v5 ----we play 5v5 now.

I think we beat ND on a rematch.

Oregon puts us in a bind, because we will need a supreme effort defending the 3, but I don't see them shutting Lou down. Otherwise I think we beat them in all other places.

Miss St. - not worried about them because they won't shut Lou down, not without giving up points somewhere else. Phee will outplay McGowan any day of the week. Our guards will outplay their guards.
And BTW, I think UConn can handle anyone in the SEC. I think its over rated

Louisville is a prob - they won't shut Lou down, but their guards will outscore our guards and we might get stuck trading 2's for 3's. This is where an at least "not cold" CW could make a diff. Give Asia her 30 but we can't allow the "second scorer".

Not overly worried about anybody else at this point ---- all possible opponents have weakness we can exploit just as well as they can exploit our own.

We can still win this. -- but we need all 5 spots on the floor on their A game every game.
 
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'nuff sed said:
I think the defensive book since Baylor has been to heavily pressure her. She's been exposed at the 3 line, but that's okay.

UCF just broadcast it again. There is no denying that the UCF plan worked in that it erased Lou's points from the scoresheet. The fact that it was executed the way they did was simply that the UCF players lacked the skill to run it without the outright mugging that it turned into.

I'll claim it worked because we DID NOT break 80.

Moving forward I think Geno is accurate....defensively we are what we are, so not a lot of upside in improvement from that side of the ball. --- so we just nee to outscore people on offense.

If a team has the players who can "take Lou's points" off the board, then somebody has to make up for them----and IMO that MW and CW. Forget pts from ONO, if we get them then its gravy, ONO has to help defensively first.

I think we beat Baylor --- we came close playing 3v5 ----we play 5v5 now.
I think we beat ND on a rematch.
Oregon puts us in a bind, because we will need a supreme effort defending the 3, but I don't see them shutting Lou down. Otherwise I think we beat them in all other places.
Miss St. - not worried about them because they won't shut Lou down. Phee will outplay McGowan any day of the week.
Louisville is a prob - their guards will outscore our guards and we might get stuck trading 2's for 3's

Not overly worried about anybody else at this point ---- all possible opponents have weakness we can exploit as well as our own.

We can still win this. -- but we need all 5 spots on the floor on their A game every game.
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Oregon is our toughest matchup I think because of their shooting ability but they don’t have those very quick guards we tend to struggle with so who knows.

ND scares me, everyone else, not so much. I think we match up well against Louisville honestly. Pheesa could score 30-40 on them with how she’s playing know. They struggled to defend Hof, what do you think Pheesa would do to them?
 
bbballfan23 said:
Oregon is our toughest matchup I think because of their shooting ability but they don’t have those very quick guards we tend to struggle with so who knows.

ND scares me, everyone else, not so much. I think we match up well against Louisville honestly. Pheesa could score 30-40 on them with how she’s playing know. They struggled to defend Hof, what do you think Pheesa would do to them?
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I think we can run them frankly and it may be in the memory of a certain guard.
 
Olivia has greatly improved play recently. She has progressed from someone who comes in, gets in foul trouble, and leaves. She is now a player who knows how to block and defend without fouling. She has begun to look for her shot and her teammates have begun to look for her. She makes shots inside or gets fouled and she makes free throws. I think she has a lot of potential to effect games, especially defensively, by tournament time.

Mikayla has gone from a player that Geno won't even talk about, to someone who plays good defense and has really good ball handling skills. As with Olivia, I see Mikayla contributing to an improved defense for the rest of the year. Every time she looks at the basket, I hope that she shoots and it goes in.

The problems with Lou getting beat up remind me of Stewart's problems at the beginning of her junior year. She was beaten and bruised almost every game. She was having trouble dealing with the absence of Dolson, who absorbed the punishment under the basket. Gene seemed to solve that problem by setting up screens and specific plays for Stewart and sending Tuck inside, where she handled the physicality. He also found that KML really liked to slam bodies and mix it up under the basket. Maybe, Geno can find similar ways to take the focus off of Lou. There's no Tuck and KML, of course, but I have seen bodies flying off of Walker and Collier lately, and Olivia is becoming a big presence.
 
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