UConn-Villanova thread re: Fouls

[ScottCT]

This is what Lou has to deal with every game with no calls going her way.

 

[Kaizen]

This is what Lou has to deal with every game with no calls going her way.

Luckily the didn't call Lou travel or blocking foul .

 

[LwrcasefaN]

This is what Lou has to deal with every game with no calls going her way.

She got a 2fer...fouling Lou and AE.

 

[fireford]

Jamelle getting ready for a cameo in Cobra Kai?

 

[Lemuel]

Would it be appropriate for UConn women’s video department to put a collection of these physical assaults together to share with the Big East officials’ overseers? Is there any reason they wouldn’t do that?

 

[Pharos]

The thing that disturbs me is the idea that coaches may be teaching such tactics (which by the way is a great word for the tacky ticky stuff that goes on).

 

[Huskygamble19]

Gee..I don't know. How about Nika gettting a solid elbow to the eye and no foul called and AE getting a hand jab under the chin, but thats not a foul and a whack on the face of Caroline..Nope no foul there, but a villanova player pile drives Nika and it knocks siegrist down and of course that was a foul on Nika. I have been pretty fair to the refs, but this was a blatant missmatch in fouls. No two ways about it.

 

[HuskyNan]

I have been pretty fair to the refs, but this was a blatant missmatch in fouls. No two ways about it.

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

 

[my2cents]

I call it the Muffet defense. When ND was in the Big East and Uconn had superior athletes and players, they are told to foul on EVERY play. Why? Because refs are never going to call every foul. So what happens is that only the most egregious fouls are going to get called. Also, all-american players are going to get the benefit of the calls too.

 

[my2cents]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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A foul is a foul, regardless of the number or total per team.

 

[ScottCT]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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I don't care about how many fouls are called. What I care about is the physical things teams get away with against Uconn without consequences.

 

[90BSEE]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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No chance. People are presenting actual fouls, hard fouls, that weren't called. Why is that a problem?

The problem is very rarely the fouls that ARE called. The problem is almost ALWAYS the fouls that AREN'T called. BTW, we got a lot of those trips to the line when they were fouling intentionally at the end of the game.

We are fans. We have opinions on how games should be called. Debating those opinions is fun. Trying to be "good fans" that fans from other teams "like" or "admire" is boring and dull.

 

[housekeys]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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Is there any chance people stop complaining about the officials? No. Foul statistics do not tell the whole story. See my reasoning in this post.

 

[temery]

No chance. People are presenting actual fouls, hard fouls, that weren't called. Why is that a problem?

The problem is very rarely the fouls that ARE called. The problem is almost ALWAYS the fouls that AREN'T called. BTW, we got a lot of those trips to the line when they were fouling intentionally at the end of the game.

We are fans. We have opinions on how games should be called. Debating those opinions is fun. Trying to be "good fans" that fans from other teams "like" or "admire" is boring and dull.

Then just do it.

 

[snlMINAJ]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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to be fair, there were -what- maybe 4-5 fouls all resulting in FTs to try and extend the game

 

[Jackalope]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

It is not just about the number of fouls called, it is about the number of fouls NOT called. If Villanova actually fouled 50 times and only were called for 23, while UConn actually fouled 25 and were only called for 16, would your assessment still be the same?

 

[jazz]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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But if people are upset at the fouls not being called on Uconn, shouldn't they be allowed to voice that opinion on this site or do all topics and opinions need your approval?

Just because Nova was called for more fouls does not automatically make it a mute point. Maybe Nova should have been called for several more fouls.....

 

[Mdoggie]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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They are complaining about the non calls

 

[Rowdy831]

UConn was called for 16 fouls, Villanova was called for 23. UConn had 23 free throw attempts, Villanova had 12.

Is there any chance people could stop complaining about foul calls?

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I think that UCONN decided to play the inside game and got the foul calls and Villanova decided to launch 3s which you almost never get a foul call on. To me the fouls aren't as much an issue because if the refs let them play that favors the team with the weakest bench and UCONN has no bench at this point.

 

[Rowdy831]

You can't show a picture of a person fighting through a screen and think there won't be a foul. Every screen has a foul on the screener sticking out a body part or the defender being super physical to fight through it. If the refs called that super close neither team would have any players left after the first quarter of the game.

Watch any great defender and you will see tons of holds and lots of physical play. AE beat MS up yesterday which is exactly how you slow down an offense. If you want to complain about something complain about how poorly UCONN takes care of the BB on offense. They had 22 turnovers against a pretty vanilla defense. They absolutely will need to clean that up once they start playing better teams.

 

[Goodgood]

I think that UCONN decided to play the inside game and got the foul calls and Villanova decided to launch 3s which you almost never get a foul call on. To me the fouls aren't as much an issue because if the refs let them play that favors the team with the weakest bench and UCONN has no bench at this point.

Disagree. Team with lesser talent has the advantage. By hacking, they level up their talent and team with no bench can't afford to hack or they will be out of players.

 

[darkstar1]

You can't show a picture of a person fighting through a screen and think there won't be a foul. Every screen has a foul on the screener sticking out a body part or the defender being super physical to fight through it. If the refs called that super close neither team would have any players left after the first quarter of the game.

Watch any great defender and you will see tons of holds and lots of physical play. AE beat MS up yesterday which is exactly how you slow down an offense. If you want to complain about something complain about how poorly UCONN takes care of the BB on offense. They had 22 turnovers against a pretty vanilla defense. They absolutely will need to clean that up once they start playing better teams.

Agree about turnovers, but really now, there aren’t many better teams that UConn hasn’t played.

 

[housekeys]

This is what Lou has to deal with every game with no calls going her way.

People are responding to this video with the focus on what happens to Lou. Something even more intriguing is if you focus on the Villanova player(#23) trying to go through the screen. Watch the last couple of seconds closely. The Villanova player gives up on Lou and is clearly creating contact with Edwards, pushing her while Edwards is still in the screening position. It is clear and seems to have a purpose. Is she trying to cause the perception of a moving screen violation? Or maybe she feels moving around the screen would give UConn some advantage? IDK. It is interesting to me, although I may be over-analyzing a common play.

 

[HuskyNan]

After THAT ref performance?????? Not a chance. They brought it on themselves.

My issue is that posters think Villanova, or any opponent, gets the benefit of ALL uncalled fouls. How many times was Maddy held or knocked down without a foul? A lot, but the people complaining don’t mention that. The refs were horrendous, no doubt about it. Inconsistent and incompetent for long stretches. ‘Nova wasn’t the sole beneficiary of the bad calls, though, but fans here are totally ignoring that to play the victim card.

Physical games are the way the sport is evolving. A lot of people here don’t read Twitter but if they did, they’d see the bruises on Cameron Brink, Aliyah Boston, Caitlin Clark, and other star players. If people don’t like that style of play, they should check out D2 or another sport because it’s here to stay.

Knowing that, just the thought that there will be complaints about Our Girls and the mean opponents that beat them up for the years to come is depressing.

 

[huskeynut]

My beef is with head shots and face shots not called. Aaliyah gets the heel of a Nova player in her jaw while dribbling. Her head snaps back and she stops - stunned. The call - travelling on Aaliyah. Later in the game Nika is pushed by Olsen, knocked into Seigrist, and Nika gets the foul. Nika also took an elbow to the face, right in front of the official, and no call. The last one was in the 4th quarter when Caroline was under the basket going for a rebound. Seigrist came over her back, chopped down to slap the ball away and hit Caroline on the head. This caused Caroline to go to the bench and get ice on her neck.

Sorry, but head and face shots need to be called. This type of defensive behavior is not good for the game.

 

[my2cents]

When we have these back and forths on points of disagreements, I will always go back to what Geno says. "Its not basketball we are seeing". Maybe Rugby ball.
As to comparing what's called against our opponents and us, it seems to me, our players get hit in the head/face way more , and knocked to the ground, way more.

 

[Bama fan]

My issue is that posters think Villanova, or any opponent, gets the benefit of ALL uncalled fouls. How many times was Maddy held or knocked down without a foul? A lot, but the people complaining don’t mention that. The refs were horrendous, no doubt about it. Inconsistent and incompetent for long stretches. ‘Nova wasn’t the sole beneficiary of the bad calls, though, but fans here are totally ignoring that to play the victim card.

Physical games are the way the sport is evolving. A lot of people here don’t read Twitter but if they did, they’d see the bruises on Cameron Brink, Aliyah Boston, Caitlin Clark, and other star players. If people don’t like that style of play, they should check out D2 or another sport because it’s here to stay.

Knowing that, just the thought that there will be complaints about Our Girls and the mean opponents that beat them up for the years to come is depressing.

I saw an ad for cheap , online generic Zoloft or Paxil. Given the state of the union/BY you might need to lay in a good supply.

 

[DennieEddy]

Would it be appropriate for UConn women’s video department to put a collection of these physical assaults together to share with the Big East officials’ overseers? Is there any reason they wouldn’t do that?

I think any coach could put together a newsreel of various snippets of various games of various players of their players getting hacked, shoved, pushed, trampled on, tackled, poked, et al...with no foul being called.

It just looks worse when it's YOUR team.

 

[Forego]

My beef is with head shots and face shots not called. Aaliyah gets the heel of a Nova player in her jaw while dribbling. Her head snaps back and she stops - stunned. The call - travelling on Aaliyah. Later in the game Nika is pushed by Olsen, knocked into Seigrist, and Nika gets the foul. Nika also took an elbow to the face, right in front of the official, and no call. The last one was in the 4th quarter when Caroline was under the basket going for a rebound. Seigrist came over her back, chopped down to slap the ball away and hit Caroline on the head. This caused Caroline to go to the bench and get ice on her neck.

Sorry, but head and face shots need to be called. This type of defensive behavior is not good for the game.

Although different players were involved, the foul when Olsen shoved Nika into Seigrist was nearly identical to the play where Azzi was injured. Thankfully the result was different.

When I saw who the refs were instantly I knew we were going to have a poorly called game. One of them is the most inconsistent in Division 1 and we always seem to get stuck with that ref. Isn’t there a way to exclude that ref? You know like lawyers excluding potential jurors.

 

[90BSEE]

Although different players were involved, the foul when Olsen shoved Nika into Seigrist was nearly identical to the play where Azzi was injured. Thankfully the result was different.

When I saw who the refs were instantly I knew we were going to have a poorly called game. One of them is the most inconsistent in Division 1 and we always seem to get stuck with that ref. Isn’t there a way to exclude that ref? You know like lawyers excluding potential jurors.

There are many good points in this thread and these should be discussed everywhere and constantly. First, you are absolutely right about how Azzi got injured. And Caroline took a shot to the head right in front of Vasily with no call.

The argument about both teams fouling out if all the fouls are called is as flawed as the argument that a game is called fairly if the teams are called for the same number. No, the teams won't foul out after the first quarter. Why? Because they WOULD STOP FOULING well before that happened. And this has nothing to do with "our girls". The same crap is happening on the men's side. I think the refs hate Hurley more than they hate Geno. I refuse to accept this as the new normal. Call the games according to the rule book.

I think the NCAA and the refs should be legally liable for injuries that occur due to not getting control of the game when it gets physical. If someone gets hurt because of a foul and you weren't calling all the fouls, you are liable. Then you would see things change.