UConn Outbound Transfers for 8/1/23>7/31/24 Cycle

[CL82]

Maybe a stupid idea, but maybe they could modify the free pass process we have now to be a little more restrictive. If you play in half the snaps or minutes you're eligible to play in, you must sit a year when transferring. That way only the ones who play less get the free pass. By using the term "eligible", there's no benefit to quitting after a minimal number of games because only the games you were eligible to play in would count in the calculation.
Again, maybe a bad idea, but I'm trying to find a way to stem the tide of players leaving for the highest bidder. For the NCAA and the fandoms, this is not sustainable.

I have less problem with the transfer portal, per se, than I do with the transfer portal coupled with unrestricted NIL. The easiest fix in my opinion, is to make NIL payments from a booster disqualifying in the same way that payments from a booster have always been disqualifying until the last couple of years.

Now, if, I don't know Adidas wants to pay a kid $1 million and it is in no way linked to playing for a particular team God bless. But, if Murray's Chrysler, Jeep, Buick car dealership wants to give every lineman for local State U $100,000 for being on the team, that would be a disqualifying payment. It is a really easy fix. Logical and reasonable in scope.

I give credit to @HuskyHawk for coming up with it.

 

[Scrutineer]

OL Will Meyer entered the Transfer Portal today.

Did he play at all?

 

[noeynox]

I have less problem with the transfer portal, per se, than I do with the transfer portal coupled with unrestricted NIL. The easiest fix in my opinion, is to make NIL payments from a booster disqualifying in the same way that payments from a booster have always been disqualifying until the last couple of years.

Now, if, I don't know Adidas wants to pay a kid $1 million and it is in no way linked to playing for a particular team God bless. But, if Murray's Chrysler, Jeep, Buick car dealership wants to give every lineman for local State U $100,000 for being on the team, that would be a disqualifying payment. It is a really easy fix. Logical and reasonable in scope.

I give credit to @HuskyHawk for coming up with it.

Is it though? Why should Adidas be allowed to do that, but the local car dealership not? I don't think local car dealerships or other small businesses have the money to burn where that would create a real problem. Its why they have come up with collectives to pool money to pay kids. Its high level crowd sourcing to buy players. The real problem then is the allowing of the "collectives" to exist.

 

[CL82]

Is it though? Why should Adidas be allowed to do that, but the local car dealership not? I don't think local car dealerships or other small businesses have the money to burn where that would create a real problem. It's why they have come up with collectives to pool money to pay kids. It's high level crowd sourcing to buy players. The real problem then is the allowing of the "collectives" to exist.

Boosters can do whatever they like, but athletes choosing to accept the money would impact their eligibility.

Don't obsess over the car dealership example I used. I picked a random company type.

 

[noeynox]

Boosters can do whatever they like, but athletes choosing to accept the money would impact their eligibility.

Don't obsess over the car dealership example I used. I picked a random company type.

Same sentiment. Why let Adidas pay someone but not a local company? And the whole point of NIL was shifting the balance of power. Everyone knew Cam Newton got a bag to to Auburn and why shouldn't he? When he wins a national title there everyone gets paid. The coaches end up negotiating for more money. We just saw Hurley get bumped up to another stratosphere salary wise. Let the kids get paid. It may kill the sports, but til then let em eat.

 

[ZooCougar]

Boosters can do whatever they like, but athletes choosing to accept the money would impact their eligibility.

Don't obsess over the car dealership example I used. I picked a random company type.

This seems unenforceable.

 

[PNolanFan]

The data is showing portal transfers growing with the onset of NIL. While not 100% of the kids transfer for the money I would expect the majority are leaving for the money. Why else is there an NIL database? Are you aware of anyone leaving for less NIL money?

I think things are still unsettled though. Currently there is a shroud over exacts, kids will leave for xxx amount of money and i have heard many many many cases where the money isnt even close to what was promised or reported. So there is uncertainty about amounts for sure. The other factor is you had like AM enter the portal just blasting money left and right and it blew up in their face. I also think USC spent and blew a huge wad last year. Those high profile failures are clearly going to set precedents and drive other alumni groups.

Ultimately we dont know where this is headed but i am certain it wont look like it does now in 5 years. Where I think this goes is a certain amount of flattening, the big guys will get the best players and pluck guys out of small schools but it will go down to a certain degree. I also think that guys at big schools who get burried on the dept charts may consider dropping down for playing time. Think some guy at Ole Miss who was a low level 4 star who isnt playing. While obviously a caleb williams is always gonna go to USC I could see a world where the third string QB at alabama gets paid more at UConn to be our star than he will get as a third stringer at alabama. If I am a booster at one of the real big guys, why am I shelling out 100k for some kid who wont even play unless there are several injuries? Or maybe that 100k will consolidate with the stars?

 

[HuskyHawk]

This seems unenforceable.

It's just as enforceable as it has always been. Nothing has changed really. NCAA just stopped enforcing due to the overall challenges.

 

[Purple Stein]

Maybe a stupid idea, but maybe they could modify the free pass process we have now to be a little more restrictive. If you play in half the snaps or minutes you're eligible to play in, you must sit a year when transferring. That way only the ones who play less get the free pass. By using the term "eligible", there's no benefit to quitting after a minimal number of games because only the games you were eligible to play in would count in the calculation.
Again, maybe a bad idea, but I'm trying to find a way to stem the tide of players leaving for the highest bidder. For the NCAA and the fandoms, this is not sustainable.

I don't see what possible incentive any of the power brokers have to reform transfer or NIL right now.

NIL is centralizing money, product, and power. The NCAA is not going to stand up for the UConns or FIUs of the world if it means standing against a system that benefits Alabama and Ohio State.

 

[FlakeyFoont]

If players had to sit out a year the NIL dollars wouldn't be swirling around as much since boosters want instant gratification and would certainly be lukewarm about paying a player to sit around for a year. As the NIL deals and incentives became less lucrative, this in turn would cut down on the transfer stampede. Even for those players buried on the depth chart, knowing they'd have to sit might give them second thoughts about bolting.

The combo of unlimited NIL money and no sitting out is going to accelerate the rot of college sports.

 

[ZooCougar]

It's just as enforceable as it has always been. Nothing has changed really. NCAA just stopped enforcing due to the overall challenges.

Then what's the point of having the rule? There isn't.

It would be far more effective to have a hard limit of one free transfer.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

I don't see what possible incentive any of the power brokers have to reform transfer or NIL right now.

NIL is centralizing money, product, and power. The NCAA is not going to stand up for the UConns or FIUs of the world if it means standing against a system that benefits Alabama and Ohio State.

I think it's hurting more than the UConns and FIUs of the world. Ole Miss is complaining....Florida has had issues...even Alabama complained about TAMU last year.

 

[CL82]

This seems unenforceable.

No more or less unenforceable than the prior prohibition against booster payments to athletes.

But as someone mentioned above it's all moot because the powers that be don't want the current situation "fixed". It's working just fine for them.

 

[ZooCougar]

No more or less unenforceable than the prior prohibition against booster payments to athletes.

But as someone mentioned above it's all moot because the powers that be don't want the current situation "fixed". It's working just fine for them.

If I’m a booster and I own a business then what would stop me from being a booster personally and my LLC sponsoring sone athletes?

Nothing. It wouldn’t work.

 

[CL82]

If I’m a booster and I own a business then what would stop me from being a booster personally and my LLC sponsoring sone athletes?

Nothing. It wouldn’t work.

Ownership/control rules. But it moot unless the Big boys want it. They don't.

 

[bobbyinaz]

I don't see what possible incentive any of the power brokers have to reform transfer or NIL right now.

NIL is centralizing money, product, and power. The NCAA is not going to stand up for the UConns or FIUs of the world if it means standing against a system that benefits Alabama and Ohio State.

It’s not even about standing up to them.

The NCAA is about to let them make the rules.

 

[ZooCougar]

Ownership/control rules. But it moot unless the Big boys want it. They don't.

It wouldn’t hold up in court. I don’t think anyone would want this. The little guys don’t want to disqualify any donors.

 

[CL82]

It wouldn’t hold up in court. I don’t think anyone would want this. The little guys don’t want to disqualify any donors.

Lol, ownership attribution rules are common place.

The NCAA is a self regulating agency and has the right to provide for rules of participation.

It wouldn't prescribe contributors it would just prescribe payments directly to athletes. Until the last couple years this was the norm.

But why bother talking about it?

 

[How Sway?!]

Then what's the point of having the rule? There isn't.

It would be far more effective to have a hard limit of one free transfer.

A hard limit on transfers wouldn't hold up on court. Hell the current regulations are unlikely to hold up in court. If schools want to have a limit on player movement, then they need to hurry up and recognize them as employees, otherwise it will move towards a wide open marketplace.

 

[ZooCougar]

A hard limit on transfers wouldn't hold up on court. Hell the current regulations are unlikely to hold up in court. If schools want to have a limit on player movement, then they need to hurry up and recognize them as employees, otherwise it will move towards a wide open marketplace.

There already is a limit on transfers. So you are saying if they were limited further it wouldn’t hold up?

 

[How Sway?!]

There already is a limit on transfers. So you are saying if they were limited further it wouldn’t hold up?

They are getting sued for just having any limits. Putting any more would just increase their legal spending

 

[Kowalski]

They are getting sued for just having any limits. Putting any more would just increase their legal spending

Fine, then put me in the camp of spending more to preserve NCAA’s self regulating ability to set rules for participation. I wish they would, instead of rolling over to those who want to rig the rules in their favors. It’s ruining college sports.

 

[noeynox]

Fine, then put me in the camp of spending more to preserve NCAA’s self regulating ability to set rules for participation. I wish they would, instead of rolling over to those who want to rig the rules in their favors. It’s ruining college sports.

I think the uber division Charlie Baker is proposing is kinda the best result. Let those schools and fan bases that want to provide pay for play do so, and everyone else can stick with the old status quo. What you are on the verge of having now is schools recruiting off the rosters of their opponents when they see a player that can help them and a smaller school could do nothing to try and keep the kid.

 

[AllHusky]

I think the uber division Charlie Baker is proposing is kinda the best result. Let those schools and fan bases that want to provide pay for play do so, and everyone else can stick with the old status quo. What you are on the verge of having now is schools recruiting off the rosters of their opponents when they see a player that can help them and a smaller school could do nothing to try and keep the kid.

We are moving farther and farther from the O'Bannon lawsuit. I am interested to see a deep dive into the effects of all this change on the individual student athletes when enough data is available. Right now, all I can see is that kids have money that didn't have money, so that is good. Will the overall "health" of the whole College athletic system suffer to the point that it negatively impacts a segment of the student-athletes, or will it in fact be stronger, and provide equal or better opportunity for all of the student-athletes.

 

[UConnJim]

We are moving farther and farther from the O'Bannon lawsuit. I am interested to see a deep dive into the effects of all this change on the individual student athletes when enough data is available. Right now, all I can see is that kids have money that didn't have money, so that is good. Will the overall "health" of the whole College athletic system suffer to the point that it negatively impacts a segment of the student-athletes, or will it in fact be stronger, and provide equal or better opportunity for all of the student-athletes.

We won't know this for a number of years, but does it make more financial sense for a college athlete to focus on their academic career and build contacts or take money and move around colleges for athletics? Look at someone like Joly. Say he gets a large NIL payment for his last 2 years of his football career. Would it make more sense financially to have stuck at UConn, maybe make less in NIL but still make some, develop contacts in the NY/CT area, and set himself up for a career? Maybe his new college will help him, but it was clear he was getting a lot of attention at UConn. And, I am sure it is more important to get a college degree than to make some NIL cash with the exception of the very top players, but will the degree and future earnings potential motivate athletes?

 

[Dizzy21]

We won't know this for a number of years, but does it make more financial sense for a college athlete to focus on their academic career and build contacts or take money and move around colleges for athletics? Look at someone like Joly. Say he gets a large NIL payment for his last 2 years of his football career. Would it make more sense financially to have stuck at UConn, maybe make less in NIL but still make some, develop contacts in the NY/CT area, and set himself up for a career? Maybe his new college will help him, but it was clear he was getting a lot of attention at UConn. And, I am sure it is more important to get a college degree than to make some NIL cash with the exception of the very top players, but will the degree and future earnings potential motivate athletes?

He is moving because he is setting himself up for a career, the NFL. Balling out at a competitive P4 team will be much better for his future earnings than making contacts for a job in NYC. Not sure when people are going to understand, that even if he got less NIL money, moving to a competitive P4 team is the choice that he should make for his future. The exposure to scouts and a national audience on a more regular basis, along with proving yourself at the top level of competition, makes it far more likely to get drafted and drafted higher. I mean maybe if he had zero chance at going to the NFL, then yeah, maybe you weigh some of the things you mention, but if your goal is NFL, then you have to put yourself in the best place to do that and prove yourself consistently against the best competition to improve your odds.

 

[noeynox]

We won't know this for a number of years, but does it make more financial sense for a college athlete to focus on their academic career and build contacts or take money and move around colleges for athletics? Look at someone like Joly. Say he gets a large NIL payment for his last 2 years of his football career. Would it make more sense financially to have stuck at UConn, maybe make less in NIL but still make some, develop contacts in the NY/CT area, and set himself up for a career? Maybe his new college will help him, but it was clear he was getting a lot of attention at UConn. And, I am sure it is more important to get a college degree than to make some NIL cash with the exception of the very top players, but will the degree and future earnings potential motivate athletes?

Isn't it mandatory that schools allow these guys to return to finish their degrees now anyways? Thought i remembered that.

I think the bigger negative is i think some kids are chasing ghosts. Go into the portal thinking some schools is going to offer them NIL and nothing materializes but those are grown up risks and consequences. Life is hard sometimes.

 

[freescooter]

We won't know this for a number of years, but does it make more financial sense for a college athlete to focus on their academic career and build contacts or take money and move around colleges for athletics? Look at someone like Joly. Say he gets a large NIL payment for his last 2 years of his football career. Would it make more sense financially to have stuck at UConn, maybe make less in NIL but still make some, develop contacts in the NY/CT area, and set himself up for a career? Maybe his new college will help him, but it was clear he was getting a lot of attention at UConn. And, I am sure it is more important to get a college degree than to make some NIL cash with the exception of the very top players, but will the degree and future earnings potential motivate athletes?

Whether it applies to Joly or not, who knows. But your point is reasonable, I think if you assume college athletics should be at least tangentially related to college education. In 4-5 years I have no doubt there will be reports about guys who progressively bigger payments for playing football or basketball at several different schools, never graduated and never saved and are now working at a car wash passing rumors about conference reorganization. Then there will be a big media circus about it, the NCAA or it’s successor will announce some new rule and it will all go away until next time.

 

[RSTuthill]

A hard limit on transfers wouldn't hold up on court. Hell the current regulations are unlikely to hold up in court. If schools want to have a limit on player movement, then they need to hurry up and recognize them as employees, otherwise it will move towards a wide open marketplace.

So you think by recognizing the players as employees that is gonna change anything? I doubt it. More likely outside contractors subject to non-compete clauses. Or gig workers like they are now.

 

[UConnJim]

He is moving because he is setting himself up for a career, the NFL. Balling out at a competitive P4 team will be much better for his future earnings than making contacts for a job in NYC. Not sure when people are going to understand, that even if he got less NIL money, moving to a competitive P4 team is the choice that he should make for his future. The exposure to scouts and a national audience on a more regular basis, along with proving yourself at the top level of competition, makes it far more likely to get drafted and drafted higher. I mean maybe if he had zero chance at going to the NFL, then yeah, maybe you weigh some of the things you mention, but if your goal is NFL, then you have to put yourself in the best place to do that and prove yourself consistently against the best competition to improve your odds.

I apologize. I shouldn't have used Joly as an example as it obscured the point I was trying to make. The vast majority of college athletes, including football players, will not play their sport professionally. What is more important over the long run, a modest NIL payment or a college degree? Payments for college athletes is not new (weren't legal before) and there are many tales of athletes that didn't take advantage of their opportunities going to school.

And, I dismiss your claim that you need to go to a P4 to get noticed by the NFL. Last year, Old Dominion had as many players drafted as Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Miami, Utah, Wisconsin, and more than Arkansas, Florida St., Nebraska, Miss. St., West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Baylor, Arizona St., Missouri,...