UCONN/ND prediction: poetry in motion

[easttexastrash]

If Turner can't play then ND = the dirty little snowball

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

I think that ND is going to follow Stanford's blueprint and try to take KML out of the game, pack the paint, double down on Stewart and force UConn to beat them from the outside. On offense I think that ND will spread the floor in a 4qtrs set and penetrate with either Allen or Loyd. Then they will have Reimer and Turner diving in for the pass or rebound. UConn has not yet proven it can defend the perimeter and I think that ND is going to try to exploit that. Also as much as I hate ND IMHO there is not a better in game X's and O's coach as McGraw.

sawxfan23- - - With all respect, you have to be freaking kidding me? Muffett is a better in game X's & O's coach than Geno Auriemma! It's not even close! Geno is the best coach in WBB today! Yes he has made some beaut's in the past, end of Duke game, end of St.John's game, and a couple others! But as a 1/2 time innovator and during game coach, Muffett is dualing with an unloaded gun!
He has came up with a game plan to shut down the opposition's most dangerous player 95%+ of the time!
In the Stanford game, Stanford didn't win, UCONN LOST the game! As many mistakes as UCONN made they lost by 2 points in 2OT's!
As in the NCAA Finals slaughter of ND, the Irish's bigs have no clue how to stop UCONN's bigs. Even without Stefanie Dolson, KML, Stewie, Stokes, Tuck, & Williams are going to have a field day with Reimer, Turner, Wright, or anyone else ND has inside. Who guards Stewie? Who guards KML? Who guards Tuck? Which ND big can match Stokes blocks & rebounding? Who is as athletic as Williams? The guards are a wash, with maybe a slight edge to Nurse and MoJeff over Allen and Loyd! Granted with Chong in the game ND has the offensive edge!
Loyd is ND's ONLY legitimate STAR PLAYER! They have some good players but are not going to stop all that UCONN brings to the table!
I think UCONN down the road is at least 20 points better but at ND Dec. 6th, I see UCONN winning 76-59! I do think the refs will bend over backwards to GIVE ND the game, but UCONN will pull it out by shear strength of numbers!

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

Muffet is a great in-game Xs and Os coach. I don't like her smirking attitude and she looks like she could start stomping on the side lines any moment, but I will give her credit where it is due. How quickly some forget how many times she coached her team to a victory over UConn. What was it 4 or 5 wins between the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? How many close games has UConn won in the last decade? How many OT games? If it's close, and given that it's on the road, you have to give the edge to ND.

HoopsFans21- - - As Warner Wolf used to say "let's go to the video tapes!" If you watch the ND over UCONN games, UCONN didn't play UCONN ball not because of ND but because of the way the refs had called the previous games, the refs loved Diggins and let her get away with murder! ND was allowed to charge into the lane and UCONN was called for the fouls! UCONN lost these games more that ND won! UCONN players got gun-shy and didn't play defense as aggressively as they usually do for fear of fouling out! When UCONN played as only UCONN can play they beat the Irish decisively! Look at the two rosters and UCONN now has more weapons than ND does!
My only fear is the refs determine who wins as they did years earlier!

 

[sawxfan23]

sawxfan23- - - With all respect, you have to be freaking kidding me? Muffett is a better in game X's & O's coach than Geno Auriemma! It's not even close! Geno is the best coach in WBB today! Yes he has made some beaut's in the past, end of Duke game, end of St.John's game, and a couple others! But as a 1/2 time innovator and during game coach, Muffett is dualing with an unloaded gun!
He has came up with a game plan to shut down the opposition's most dangerous player 95%+ of the time!
In the Stanford game, Stanford didn't win, UCONN LOST the game! As many mistakes as UCONN made they lost by 2 points in 2OT's!
As in the NCAA Finals slaughter of ND, the Irish's bigs have no clue how to stop UCONN's bigs. Even without Stefanie Dolson, KML, Stewie, Stokes, Tuck, & Williams are going to have a field day with Reimer, Turner, Wright, or anyone else ND has inside. Who guards Stewie? Who guards KML? Who guards Tuck? Which ND big can match Stokes blocks & rebounding? Who is as athletic as Williams? The guards are a wash, with maybe a slight edge to Nurse and MoJeff over Allen and Loyd! Granted with Chong in the game ND has the offensive edge!
Loyd is ND's ONLY legitimate STAR PLAYER! They have some good players but are not going to stop all that UCONN brings to the table!
I think UCONN down the road is at least 20 points better but at ND Dec. 6th, I see UCONN winning 76-59! I do think the refs will bend over backwards to GIVE ND the game, but UCONN will pull it out by shear strength of numbers!

First off I agree that Geno is the BEST COACH in the game today. He is the best recruiter, best motivator, best team builder, best manager of egos, but he is IMHO not the best at in game X's and O's adjustments. If you look at the matchups between UConn and Notre Dame over the past few years through "unbiased and impartial glasses" it is absolutely plain to see by anyone with even a clue about basketball that McGraw is a better in game coach. Look at how many close games that were won by Notre Dame because that is when coaching shows up. In the Stamford game that you allude to there were multiple times in which UConn was not prepared. They could not stop the SAME exact play by Stanford at all in OT, they could not even inbound the ball following a TO, they came out of TO's on the defensive end and were confused who there man to guard was, all these are coaching related. Honestly, I think that the Turner injury is going to hurt Notre Dame significantly and that UConn now is the favorite to win this game of really evenly matched teams but to think that "down the road UConn is at least 20 points better" is just ABSURD.

 

[HoopsFan21]

HoopsFans21- - - As Warner Wolf used to say "let's go to the video tapes!" If you watch the ND over UCONN games, UCONN didn't play UCONN ball not because of ND but because of the way the refs had called the previous games, the refs loved Diggins and let her get away with murder! ND was allowed to charge into the lane and UCONN was called for the fouls! UCONN lost these games more that ND won! UCONN players got gun-shy and didn't play defense as aggressively as they usually do for fear of fouling out! When UCONN played as only UCONN can play they beat the Irish decisively! Look at the two rosters and UCONN now has more weapons than ND does!
My only fear is the refs determine who wins as they did years earlier!

There's a reason UConn loses most close and OT games. And not just against ND. You tell me. It's not dumb bad luck or entirely on the players. The players are not well prepared for certain real world game situations where it comes down to make it or lose. Maybe the coaching staff does work on this in practice and our players year after year are just dumb or crack under pressure, but I doubt that's the case.

 

[rvwsleep]

The Turner injury will be a factor in the game. I rewatched the play that caused the injury. Turner stuck her right arm in contesting a rebound. Unfortunately for Turner, The Maryland player had both hands on the ball and was able to jerk the ball away pulling Turner's arm. Turner immediately walked over to the bench while the announcers continued with their chatter, oblivious to what just happened on the court. The last report I read is that an MRI will be taken today.
Without Turner UConn is a clear favorite. If Turner can play at full effectiveness, the game will probably be decided in the final few minutes, IMHO.

 

[Icebear]

If she dislocated her shoulder in the process it can result in a torn labrum. That injury completely changed the bear cub's career. He had surgery twice and gave up playing his senior year.

 

[HoopsFan21]

The Turner injury will be a factor in the game. I rewatched the play that caused the injury. Turner stuck her right arm in contesting a rebound. Unfortunately for Turner, The Maryland player had both hands on the ball and was able to jerk the ball away pulling Turner's arm. Turner immediately walked over to the bench while the announcers continued with their chatter, oblivious to what just happened on the court. The last report I read is that an MRI will be taken today.
Without Turner UConn is a clear favorite. If Turner can play at full effectiveness, the game will probably be decided in the final few minutes, IMHO.

First, I hope she is OK. Second, I want her to be 100% and play against UConn so we don't have to hear about the injury non-stop like we did with Achonwa in the final last year.

 

[rvwsleep]

There's a reason UConn loses most close and OT games. And not just against ND. You tell me. It's not dumb bad luck or entirely on the players. The players are not well prepared for certain real world game situations where it comes down to make it or lose. Maybe the coaching staff does work on this in practice and our players year after year are just dumb or crack under pressure, but I doubt that's the case.

We had a whole thread on this a couple of weeks ago and I'd like to avoid a reprise of that here. It's true, UConn hasn't had a good record in close games over the last few years. Before that bad streak they had won 7 of 8 close games with the same coaching staff. The loss to Stanford was disconcerting but has about as much to do with how they played 3 years ago (the start of losing close games) with how they did 4 years ago (the end of winning close games)

 

[Tonyc]

UConn ND will be a classic game again. Lets not compare last nites MD ND game to UConn. MD is not UConn and MD has no defense, no go to player(s) and is not a very good team at all. ND ran around them like they weren't there. It was terrible to watch. ND cleared their bench in the first half to avoid a total embarrassment. UConn will be fine. We have the shooters that MD didn't have. If you noticed MD had penetrating guards so does UConn. Don't forget Turner didn't play last nite for ND and Reimer went off almost not ever defended. That wont happen against UConn. I stick to what I said in other threads. UConn by double digits .

As far as continually bringing up the games UConn lost to ND in the past. In the past ND had Diggins and MCBride and ND got the benefit of charge calls. D and Mac have graduated and the charge calls were not called last season in Uconns 20+ pt win. We have two different teams on Saturday. UConn has 5 very good scorers who can put up a lot of points. ND will have to defend our dribble drive and penetration as much as we have to defend theirs. Losing those past games late was due to foul trouble and Diggins. You cant defend when your in foul troubld and without a bench to back you up. We have a better bench now and those charging calls wont be called as frequently as they were in the past. I really think fans will be surprised how good this UConn team is now as opposed to earlier in the season. Nurse is a tuff player and that will show up big time on Saturday.

 

[rvwsleep]

If she dislocated her shoulder in the process it can result in a torn labrum. That injury completely changed the bear cub's career. He had surgery twice and gave up playing his senior year.

A dislocated shoulder was my first thought after the injury occurred. Turner let her right arm hang strait down and put her left hand on the upper portion of her right arm as she walked back to the bench. Of course, this is all speculation at this point. The MRI should provide the information needed for a diagnosis later today. I hope it isn't serious and that she'll be able to play this weekend. It would make for a better game.

 

[ChicagoGG]

CHI: Thank you.....inspired is certainly a wonderful compliment. Re the manhattan reference, sounds like the voice of some experience? Actually, that poem night was one of the nights I call an "A" night, for abstain.

(Not that anyone cares about such things, but a couple of you might find this interesting: my wife is active on the Scholarship Committee at her church, and some years back, they awarded one to a wonderful young Albanian girl who was a recent arrival from her homeland. We've become social pals, and when one or the other of the family is able to go back home for a visit, they bring us a small random bottle of what they proudly call "Moonshine." It's white and powerful.....and tonight was cold, damp, and dreary. End of story. ) PS: for Albanians to be permitted to come to the US, they must enter and win a lottery.....no money, just permission to come to the USA. How about that??

Win - interesting information on the visa lottery. BTW, I am not a manhattan drinker, more of a white wine woman....but a small nip of Frangelico on a raw night does sometimes happen in the deep of winter...

 

[HoopsFan21]

One of Muffet's strategies is to get into the opposing team's bench, as she said in her post game interview after last year's final. Perhaps this explains all the flopping.

 

[watanabe]

... Coach McGraw (WHO I ABSOLUTLY DESPISE) is a great in game X's and O's...

Wait, that's tic tack toe your talking about. After watching Ms Muffet for quite a few years, I can definetely admit she is wonderful at children's games.

 

[msf22b]

Wow. Sounds like a job application to work with Muffet.
Me thinks you have forgoten to figure in that Stanford game was quite a while ago.
OK, they take out KML, but there's the little things UConn has in Kia KILLER Nurse, MoJett, Stewie, Kiah HAMMER Stokes and Tuck. Oh yeah, Chong, Williams, Edwards, Lawlor, Pulido, Geno, Dailey, Shea and Moseley.
Muffet Tuffet can have her curds and wey. Oh yeah, you called them Xs and Os.....

To me the key is Mo, playing at her best. In the Stanford game she was very passive (dare i say listless)
During the sojourn in Florida she rediscovered the essence of her game.
And the correct balance with her new back-court mate, Ms Nurse.
They may get beat off the dribble a time or two
But they will give ND fits.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

sawxfan23 and HoopFans21 - - - Having watched UCONN practice many times over the years and listening to ex-players talk about practices I can't believe that the players are unprepared for games! I think as all players are human some do not react exactly as coached in time of stress! Were you really surprised that Kiah Stokes froze and through the ball backwards to KML with only seconds left in the Stanford game?
As Tonyc said in his post above these are 2 different teams than the ones that have played the last several years. Where ND had Diggins, McBride, Achonwa, Loyd, Novosel, etal, they now only have Loyd as a superstar player! While UCONN has offensively gifted- KML, Stewart, Tuck, MoJeff, Nurse, and Chong (just offensively)! With Stokes dominating defensively with rebounds & blocked shots the 2 teams is like comparing an Uzi vs a derringer or comparing Mr. Ed to Secreteriat!

 

[RadyLady]

I am almost afraid to ask, but why does it seem that officiating, both phantom calls and otherwise tends to play a bigger than average role in games played at ND?

you need to take a look at some archived games...very closely

 

[RadyLady]

Muffet is a great in-game Xs and Os coach. I don't like her smirking attitude and she looks like she could start stomping on the side lines any moment, but I will give her credit where it is due. How quickly some forget how many times she coached her team to a victory over UConn. What was it 4 or 5 wins between the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? How many close games has UConn won in the last decade? How many OT games? If it's close, and given that it's on the road, you have to give the edge to ND.

what is the overall record?

 

[winlots]

I am almost afraid to ask, but why does it seem that officiating, both phantom calls and otherwise tends to play a bigger than average role in games played at ND?

BB: if you had been able to watch ND football over the years, you wouldn't even have to ask that question . I have a wonderful story about a Big Ten ref I met who officiated an ND home game several decades back.

 

[winlots]

Win - interesting information on the visa lottery. BTW, I am not a manhattan drinker, more of a white wine woman....but a small nip of Frangelico on a raw night does sometimes happen in the deep of winter...

CHI: thank you again. Your nice post here brought a warm smile to go with that Frangelico some raw night. You stay well.

 

[winlots]

sawxfan23 and HoopFans21 - - - Having watched UCONN practice many times over the years and listening to ex-players talk about practices I can't believe that the players are unprepared for games! I think as all players are human some do not react exactly as coached in time of stress! Were you really surprised that Kiah Stokes froze and through the ball backwards to KML with only seconds left in the Stanford game?
As Tonyc said in his post above these are 2 different teams than the ones that have played the last several years. Where ND had Diggins, McBride, Achonwa, Loyd, Novosel, etal, they now only have Loyd as a superstar player! While UCONN has offensively gifted- KML, Stewart, Tuck, MoJeff, Nurse, and Chong (just offensively)! With Stokes dominating defensively with rebounds & blocked shots the 2 teams is like comparing an Uzi vs a derringer or comparing Mr. Ed to Secreteriat!

RSH: terrific line on Mr. Ed vs. Secretariat. Keep em coming.

 

[Orangutan]

ND leads the country in points per possession. Maybe Mr. Ed should have run the Belmont.

 

[Striper69]

1. That is not what I said. I said to double down on Stewart when she enters the post. If UConn shots perimeter jump shots all game then there is not a doubt in my mind that UConn will get beat.
2. The defense is getting better but is not even close to the defense of the past. Even in the Gulf Coast Tournament stopping the oppoenents guards fronm penetrating has been a problem. It was covered up in large part by the inability of those lesser teams to make shots but I agree it has been getting better but I don't think it is good enough just yet.
3. Coach McGraw (WHO I ABSOLUTLY DESPISE) is a great in game X's and O's coach an honestly has won at least 3 games against UConn by coaching. Last year ND got EVERY shot they wanted against UConn they just didn't make them. Not that that would have made a difference because UConn was by far the best team in the country last year. Talent not coaching won last years NC.

Listen, do I hope UConn will win? Of course I do! I am a diehard UConn fan but I also have watched ND repeatedly and they are a very good team.

I'd like to see Saniya:
1. Keep her eyes on the players's waist that she's guarding. The players can't go anywhere without moving their waist.
2. Stay in front of whomever she's guarding. Pick's are going to happen but make sure someone switches off (yell it out).
3. Take more midrange shots. Drive and dish the ball off. She dished off to Kiah a couple of games ago and Kiah missed an easy shot.
4. Maybe sneak in and get a few more rebounds.

As for last year's game I think it might've been different if Achonwa hadn't been injured.

If ND tries to double team Stewie? Someone will be open. ;-)

 

[PalPa]

"sawxfan23, post: 1152060, member: 4413"]First off I agree that Geno is the BEST COACH in the game today. He is the best recruiter, best motivator, best team builder, best manager of egos, but he is IMHO not the best at in game X's and O's adjustments. I look at the matchups between UConn and Notre Dame over the past few years through "unbiased and impartial glasses" it is absolutely plain to see by anyone with even a clue about basketball that McGraw is a better in game coach.

I think Geno is better, guess I'm just clueless

 

[PalPa]

There's a reason UConn loses most close and OT games. And not just against ND. You tell me. It's not dumb bad luck or entirely on the players. The players are not well prepared for certain real world game situations where it comes down to make it or lose. Maybe the coaching staff does work on this in practice and our players year after year are just dumb or crack under pressure, but I doubt that's the case.

What is the reason? Are you saying the coaching staff does not work on this in practice? I'm confused because if the coaches do work on it, and it's not dumb luck, and the players are not dumb or crack under pressure what's left?

 

[HoopsFan21]

What is the reason? Are you saying the coaching staff does not work on this in practice? I'm confused because if the coaches do work on it, and it's not dumb luck, and the players are not dumb or crack under pressure what's left?

They're unprepared. That falls on the coaching staff.

 

[winlots]

ND leads the country in points per possession. Maybe Mr. Ed should have run the Belmont.

ORANG: Hilarious....snorted out loud on that one. Likahsay, keep em comin.

 

[Intpseeker]

UCONN is one of, if not the best prepared teams over a two decade period. That said, I believe that no amount of 'down 2, 30 seconds left' type drills prepares for reality when the players are rarely in that position in real-time. It comes down to mental toughness (DT comes to mind immediately) to be able to not be distracted by the thought of losing and just do your job. Distracted, fearful players do not perform as they are capable of doing, and while sports psych work can help individual players, some of us have more fear of failure, which often becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

 

[HoopsFan21]

UCONN is one of, if not the best prepared teams over a two decade period. That said, I believe that no amount of 'down 2, 30 seconds left' type drills prepares for reality when the players are rarely in that position in real-time. It comes down to mental toughness (DT comes to mind immediately) to be able to not be distracted by the thought of losing and just do your job. Distracted, fearful players do not perform as they are capable of doing, and while sports psych work can help individual players, some of us have more fear of failure, which often becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Yeah but even if you put aside make it or lose/last shot of the game situations, they are awful coming out of time outs too. They almost always take the use it or lose it with about :20 left in the first half if they have the ball, and they just look like a disorganized mess. I don't get it. Maybe the coaches should just let them play rather than have them thinking too much about who is going where and doing what.

 

[msf22b]

In the first 5 minutes or so in the Maryland game (the only part that mattered).
Maryland got tons of easy shots close to the hoop
And Notre Dame rebounded so poorly that even the announcers noticed it.
If they play in a like manner against UConn, they will have a very difficult evening.