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I think these mathematical models are fine as ranking aids. I get lots of pushback on this but I hate that they are used as the sole method for selecting at-large teams. If they are that accurate, skip the tournament and award the title based on PWR. This system always felt to me much more like cya for the “selection committee” than anything else. They don’t have to make a decision so nobody can complain.
 
freescooter said:
I think these mathematical models are fine as ranking aids. I get lots of pushback on this but I hate that they are used as the sole method for selecting at-large teams. If they are that accurate, skip the tournament and award the title based on PWR. This system always felt to me much more like cya for the “selection committee” than anything else. They don’t have to make a decision so nobody can complain.
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The flip side to this is, would you rather the "smoke-filled room" setup?

The advantage of the PWR is you can always know where you are and where you will be. There's multiple websites where you can input future game results and it'll give you an accurate PWR field. There's also no opportunity for big conference bias, etc.

I don't know which is better, but PWR does check boxes that the selection committee concept does not.
 
freescooter said:
I think these mathematical models are fine as ranking aids. I get lots of pushback on this but I hate that they are used as the sole method for selecting at-large teams. If they are that accurate, skip the tournament and award the title based on PWR. This system always felt to me much more like cya for the “selection committee” than anything else. They don’t have to make a decision so nobody can complain.
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I totally hate the pairwise. But then again, to me the Hockey East Tournament is way more important than the post season national tournament. The one thing I like about the NCAA national tournament is that they only allow 16 teams in the tournament. The basketball national tournament allows to many teams in.
 
mac2351 said:
UNH entered last weekend 16th in the Pairwise

Swept 6th ranked Maine 6-2 and 5-2 but fell to 17th in the Pairwise
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Pairwise becomes even more inscrutable late in the season.
 
CTBballfan243 said:
I totally hate the pairwise. But then again, to me the Hockey East Tournament is way more important than the post season national tournament. The one thing I like about the NCAA national tournament is that they only allow 16 teams in the tournament. The basketball national tournament allows to many teams in.
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More hockey teams make it than basketball teams on a percentage basis, 25% of the D1 hockey teams make the NCAA tournament whereas basketball 18.7% make it.
 
CTBballfan243 said:
I totally hate the pairwise. But then again, to me the Hockey East Tournament is way more important than the post season national tournament. The one thing I like about the NCAA national tournament is that they only allow 16 teams in the tournament. The basketball national tournament allows to many teams in.
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UC15 said:
More hockey teams make it than basketball teams on a percentage basis, 25% of the D1 hockey teams make the NCAA tournament whereas basketball 18.7% make it.
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There are 64 schools that play in NCAA Division 1 men's hockey.
 
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dbmill said:
There are 64 schools that play in NCAA Division 1 men's hockey.
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16 / 64 = 25% 68/ 362 = 18.7%

Again 25% of D1 hockey teams make the NCAA tournament vs 18.7% D1 basketball schools. Therefore on a percentage basis, more hockey teams make it than basketball. Numbers need context.
 
I 'd be all for cutting the hockey tournament to the top 8 teams. Probably don't need more than that to determine the national championship.
 
CTBballfan243 said:
I 'd be all for cutting the hockey tournament to the top 8 teams. Probably don't need more than that to determine the national championship.
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Lol UConn never making it then
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
The flip side to this is, would you rather the "smoke-filled room" setup?

The advantage of the PWR is you can always know where you are and where you will be. There's multiple websites where you can input future game results and it'll give you an accurate PWR field. There's also no opportunity for big conference bias, etc.

I don't know which is better, but PWR does check boxes that the selection committee concept does not.
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I’m not sure how much the smoke filled room is a fact vs a myth. Is the first team out goingingbto complain? Sure. But then again when a team wins 2 against a team rated higher and loses ground you might want to look at the system. They keep winning and maybe we’ll finish ahead of them!

I also kind of disagree on the big conference bias. By design it favors them because it is biased toward Strength of Schedule and HEA is always going to have a stronger one than AHA and mostly better than the ECAC. A good AHA team almost needs to be lucky in its non-conference scheduling to get a sniff of an at-large. If Holy Cross was really good this year, they’d be penalized because they scheduled us instead of Maine, even though we were supposed to be a top 20 team. If they played us and Harvard, 2 teams projected to contend for a bid but who had awful years, they are penalized. On paper their non-conference schedule looks formidable. UConn, UML, Merrimack who went to the tourney last year. Turned out all 3 stink this year. And they aren’t getting more than an occasional game with BC or BU. Those guys play maybe one or 2 AHA games/season. I’m not advocating for Holy Cross. I’m just picking them as an example of how smaller programs can get hurt even if they try to “do the right thing.” Then last year there was the Stonehill issue. Another case of cooking the books. I actually agreed that Stonehill should not have counted. But that decision should have been made in October not March. That’s like saying we are counting games against Canadian teams then changing your mind after the games are played. It wasn’t that hard to see who they were playing in October!
 
CTBballfan243 said:
UConn needs to strive for greatness, not have the bar lowered to get into a tournament. #Everyone gets a trophy
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No one wants to see fewer teams make the tournament. It’s never happening. It’s pointless prattle. How is 16 of 64 teams even close to everyone gets a trophy?.
CTBballfan243 said:
I 'd be all for cutting the hockey tournament to the top 8 teams. Probably don't need more than that to determine the national championship.
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Good thing no one is asking you then.
 
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UC15 said:
Lol UConn never making it then
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You could probably do that with all the NCAA tournaments really. One 8 and 1 seven seed have won the basketball tournament. 26 1 seeds have. Over 80% of Final Four teams have been seeded 4 or better. So you could basically go with a 16 team tournament. The others are just filler for tv.
 
freescooter said:
You could probably do that with all the NCAA tournaments really. One 8 and 1 seven seed have won the basketball tournament. 26 1 seeds have. Over 80% of Final Four teams have been seeded 4 or better. So you could basically go with a 16 team tournament. The others are just filler for tv.
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100% Agree.
 
freescooter said:
I’m not sure how much the smoke filled room is a fact vs a myth.
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It’s a fact. We know it’s a fact because we had 50 years of how they used to do it before Pairwise as proof.

It was cutthroat and parochial as hell. Made the MBB selection committee look like a pizza party.
 
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UC15 said:
Can't believe that was 2 years ago now, what a great game absolutely brought it to Levi that game
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It was a fun time at TD Garden. That may have been the best game we’ve seen UConn play. Heartbreak a day later but the juice was good and real.

That tournament was the only time I’ve been to TD and it was a pretty marvelous arena in my book. The super 16K video board proved it’s worth by constantly showing people eating in HD lol…
 
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Connelly’s piece is a bit easier on the Huskies than I would be. Yes, teams sometimes disappoint. But I thought this team was also very undisciplined and at times bordering on dirty. I can’t remember a team getting as many majors as they did. They had a string of 3-4 games in a row where somebody sat for 5 minutes. The BC games was the exception but they seemed to give up many times after falling behind. They are desperate for a scorer or two as well as a defensive defenseman. I like Sergeev, but he needs to be more consistent. Or we need to bring in someone who can be. Finally it seemed at times like Cav lost the team for a while. I also thought his use of guys was suspect. I thought Wood really started playing better when the changed up his line mates. Finally you need to win at home. Their inability to win at Toscano is completely inexplicable to me. And it wasn’t just losing. They regularly got blown out. Go .500 at home and this was a borderline tournament team.
 
freescooter said:
Connelly’s piece is a bit easier on the Huskies than I would be. Yes, teams sometimes disappoint. But I thought this team was also very undisciplined and at times bordering on dirty. I can’t remember a team getting as many majors as they did. They had a string of 3-4 games in a row where somebody sat for 5 minutes. The BC games was the exception but they seemed to give up many times after falling behind. They are desperate for a scorer or two as well as a defensive defenseman. I like Sergeev, but he needs to be more consistent. Or we need to bring in someone who can be. Finally it seemed at times like Cav lost the team for a while. I also thought his use of guys was suspect. I thought Wood really started playing better when the changed up his line mates. Finally you need to win at home. Their inability to win at Toscano is completely inexplicable to me. And it wasn’t just losing. They regularly got blown out. Go .500 at home and this was a borderline tournament team.
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A lot of truth here. Fixable I believe though
 
It will be interesting (instructive?) to see the cost to renew season tickets, donations included, following a disappointing campaign.
 
freescooter said:
Connelly’s piece is a bit easier on the Huskies than I would be. Yes, teams sometimes disappoint. But I thought this team was also very undisciplined and at times bordering on dirty. I can’t remember a team getting as many majors as they did. They had a string of 3-4 games in a row where somebody sat for 5 minutes. The BC games was the exception but they seemed to give up many times after falling behind. They are desperate for a scorer or two as well as a defensive defenseman. I like Sergeev, but he needs to be more consistent. Or we need to bring in someone who can be. Finally it seemed at times like Cav lost the team for a while. I also thought his use of guys was suspect. I thought Wood really started playing better when the changed up his line mates. Finally you need to win at home. Their inability to win at Toscano is completely inexplicable to me. And it wasn’t just losing. They regularly got blown out. Go .500 at home and this was a borderline tournament team.
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I finally got to the TFIF for the first time for a women's tournament game. Much nicer than Frietas or the Saarinen Roof (although I was a roof fan). But I talked to several people about the atmosphere at men's games. In short it was unanimous that the atmosphere sucks at men's games. And everyone mentioned the same list of what was wrong. The result is that a lot of long time fans are no longer going.
 
Toscano needs to become a 2300 student driven frenzy with cheap beer/food. The problem with sports in Connecticut, is there are none outside of Uconn. You mix general fandom and strictly collegiate sports as entertainment, u end up with projects like Gampel (built too small) Toscano (built too small). While being rushed thru to get passed and built based on internal/external pressure. Alumni, donors etc etc are what comprise and drive collegiate programs. In Connecticut, ur trying to mix State and fandom with collegiate sports and it often backfires. A bunch of passionate fans with no other means of fandom but Uconn. Combine that along with no direct connections to the university, you end up with half assed, too many opinions in the room, banter.

UConn basketball is the exception. That is a National Brand. All other sports, are not. You need the “college “ atmosphere and hockey is a perfect example of that.
 
Omahabound said:
Toscano needs to become a 2300 student driven frenzy with cheap beer/food. The problem with sports in Connecticut, is there are none outside of Uconn. You mix general fandom and strictly collegiate sports as entertainment, u end up with projects like Gampel (built too small) Toscano (built too small). While being rushed thru to get passed and built based on internal/external pressure. Alumni, donors etc etc are what comprise and drive collegiate programs. In Connecticut, ur trying to mix State and fandom with collegiate sports and it often backfires. A bunch of passionate fans with no other means of fandom but Uconn. Combine that along with no direct connections to the university, you end up with half assed, too many opinions in the room, banter.

UConn basketball is the exception. That is a National Brand. All other sports, are not. You need the “college “ atmosphere and hockey is a perfect example of that.
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This is right. Plus you end up with football in East Hartford! I even think basketball suffers. Yeah, we won the championship and might very well do it again, but watch what happens if we are a 10 seed next year or even miss the tournament. To me the single biggest problem with Toscano. aside from being cursed, is that the crowd is all season ticket holders and frankly, many are still pining for the return of the Whalers. They are older and not passionate in the same way students and alumni are.

I think it is related but UConn needs to end the nostalgia and lose Brass Bonanza after goals! Play the UConn fight song, not the Whalers’ song. Carve out your own identity.
 
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