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As of this morning: CHN 2023 NCAA Tournament Pairwise Comparison Ratings

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zls44 said:
If the Stonehill thing impacts UConn, thats on UConn for scheduling LIU. Period.
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Nope. You dont decide mid season that team x counts and team y doesnt count. Why not just decide Michigan doesn’t count now, you know, just because. As to scheduling LIU, it is part of growing the game. Over our early years, i remember games against Maine, UNH, Michigan where we looked like it was a hockey team vs 6 orange cones. I remember QU having similar challenges. Those games counted. And I dare say both programs are legit now. You can’t not schedule new teams.

And don’t get me started on PWR. I hate giving bids based on a computer program. I’d go with a variation on the “old” pre expansion system. Give each league 3 bids and let them decide how to deal them out over pseudo-science. Make any leftovers at-large. I don’t know where they are right now but Norte Dame was the poster child for the silliness of this system. Had a losing record and were like 12 in PWR. Because they played a really difficult schedule. Win some friggin’ hockey games. People love sos as a factor but it is only meaningful on the margin. And for the most part it is totally uncontrollable. It is one of those things that sounds good but is really pretty meaningless. And is completely out of your control. You are in a league, you must play x league games. Nothing UConn can do to make Maine good or bad.
 
freescooter said:
Nope. You dont decide mid season that team x counts and team y doesnt count. Why not just decide Michigan doesn’t count now, you know, just because. As to scheduling LIU, it is part of growing the game. Over our early years, i remember games against Maine, UNH, Michigan where we looked like it was a hockey team vs 6 orange cones. I remember QU having similar challenges. Those games counted. And I dare say both programs are legit now. You can’t not schedule new teams.

And don’t get me started on PWR. I hate giving bids based on a computer program. I’d go with a variation on the “old” pre expansion system. Give each league 3 bids and let them decide how to deal them out over pseudo-science. Make any leftovers at-large. I don’t know where they are right now but Norte Dame was the poster child for the silliness of this system. Had a losing record and were like 12 in PWR. Because they played a really difficult schedule. Win some friggin’ hockey games. People love sos as a factor but it is only meaningful on the margin. And for the most part it is totally uncontrollable. It is one of those things that sounds good but is really pretty meaningless. And is completely out of your control. You are in a league, you must play x league games. Nothing UConn can do to make Maine good or bad.
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Stonehill isn’t trying. 96% of their schedule is non-DI. They absolutely should not count in any metric and arguing otherwise is stupid. The timing is dumb but the decision is right.


UConn‘s job isn’t to help LIU. Let LIU worry about LIU. It isn’t like there’s some payoff down the line there. It’s LIU. They aren’t Penn State or QU or Arizona State. They aren’t committed to success. Waste of two schedule slots. Anchorage is slightly defensible in terms of helping the sport, but still: terrible scheduling.

Much prefer the computerized system. NCAA hockey has a long history of showing there aren’t any adults in the room who can make unbiased decisions. Schedule better. Play better. It fixes it.
 
freescooter said:
Nope. You dont decide mid season that team x counts and team y doesnt count. Why not just decide Michigan doesn’t count now, you know, just because. As to scheduling LIU, it is part of growing the game. Over our early years, i remember games against Maine, UNH, Michigan where we looked like it was a hockey team vs 6 orange cones. I remember QU having similar challenges. Those games counted. And I dare say both programs are legit now. You can’t not schedule new teams.

And don’t get me started on PWR. I hate giving bids based on a computer program. I’d go with a variation on the “old” pre expansion system. Give each league 3 bids and let them decide how to deal them out over pseudo-science. Make any leftovers at-large. I don’t know where they are right now but Norte Dame was the poster child for the silliness of this system. Had a losing record and were like 12 in PWR. Because they played a really difficult schedule. Win some friggin’ hockey games. People love sos as a factor but it is only meaningful on the margin. And for the most part it is totally uncontrollable. It is one of those things that sounds good but is really pretty meaningless. And is completely out of your control. You are in a league, you must play x league games. Nothing UConn can do to make Maine good or bad.
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Notre Dame will not qualify as an at-large team with a losing record. "First, only teams with a winning percentage of .500 or better that have played at least 20 games against Division I teams are eligible to be an at-large selection."

They, or any team with a losing record, would qualify for an automatic bid by winning its league championship tournament.
 
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just keep scheduling more Big 10 teams. We can compete with them - hell, look at how we did against Ohio State this year.

Why is it we don’t play Penn State more? I’m not talking just hockey, any sport. I’d love a pay game against them in football too, we’re already doing that with Michigan and OHio State.
 
The Viking said:
just keep scheduling more Big 10 teams. We can compete with them - hell, look at how we did against Ohio State this year.

Why is it we don’t play Penn State more? I’m not talking just hockey, any sport. I’d love a pay game against them in football too, we’re already doing that with Michigan and OHio State.
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Penn State has played a weak OOC schedule for years.

‘22-‘23: Canisius (2), Mercyhurst (2), St. Thomas (2), Alaska (2), RIT (2)

They are under .500 in the Big Ten, ranked 5th in Pairwise

‘21-‘22: LIU (2), Canisius (2), Niagara (2), St. Thomas (2), Army (1), 1 game at home vs North Dakota

‘20-‘21: Arizona State (2)

‘19-‘20: Sacred Heart (2), Robert Morris (2), Niagara (2), Alaska (2), Lowell (1), Merrimack (1)
 
How are we looking in the Pairwise? The win over Northeastern had to be helpful.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
How are we looking in the Pairwise? The win over Northeastern had to be helpful.
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Pairwise has me a little confused. On Sunday morning, BU had a Pairwise Ranking of #3 (58 Pairwise Comparisons Won), Harvard #11 (50 PCW’s), UConn #T14 (47 PCW’s), Northeastern #21 (39 PCW’s), & BC #26 (35 PCW’s). After the Beanpot games on Monday (Harvard beat BC & Northeastern beat BU), BU, Harvard & BC all maintained the same Pairwise rankings. Amazingly, UConn dropped a spot to #15 (46 PCW’s) without playing a game while Northeastern - the team they beat on the road Saturday night OT - gained 5 spots to #16 (44 PCW’s)
 
jho said:
Pairwise has me a little confused. On Sunday morning, BU had a Pairwise Ranking of #3 (58 Pairwise Comparisons Won), Harvard #11 (50 PCW’s), UConn #T14 (47 PCW’s), Northeastern #21 (39 PCW’s), & BC #26 (35 PCW’s). After the Beanpot games on Monday (Harvard beat BC & Northeastern beat BU), BU, Harvard & BC all maintained the same Pairwise rankings. Amazingly, UConn dropped a spot to #15 (46 PCW’s) without playing a game while Northeastern - the team they beat on the road Saturday night gained 5 spots to #16 (44 PCW’s)
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UConn could win each of their next 4 games 10-0 and they will still get passed in the Pairwise if the teams behind them win their games.
 
mac2351 said:
UConn could win each of their next 4 games 10-0 and they will still get passed in the Pairwise if the teams behind them win their games.
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Definitely need to win both against UNH, and probably no worse than a W and tie vs BC. Looks like Alaska Anchorage sucks. So nothing much to help RPI. I'll be pissed if they miss the tournament again.
 
mac2351 said:
UConn could win each of their next 4 games 10-0 and they will still get passed in the Pairwise if the teams behind them win their games.
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Just need to take care of business…and maybe win the HE Tourney. Easy Peasy, lemon squeezy.
 
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LIUCHusky said:
There are only 60 teams playing D1 hockey. More than 25% of them qualify for the tournament. There will always be worthy teams left out no matter how many teams play in the tournament. Hockey has a much higher % of teams playing in the tournament than basketball, baseball and soccer as it stands now.
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Yes. Another difference is that while you can rank leagues a bit, there aren’t such great differences as there are in other sports. It isn’t like basketball where the NEC is a whole different levels than the Big 10. If Hockey East and AHA played an interlocking schedule HEA would have a winning record but it wouldn’t go undefeated I don’t think. Individual teams might but the league? Case in point AHA won 5-13-2 against HEA this season. Doubtful. If the New Big East played the NEC, I think it is pretty likely thatGeorgetown would be the sole team in danger of losing but they would likely win out too. Last data I could find the NBE was 8-0 vs the NEC last year. That in my view makes it much more difficult to decide who is really deserving of a bid. I personally hate doing it by computer because the reality is that bids 10-16 and probably the next 4 or 5 are pretty much equals. And despite everyone’s best efforts, the system contains implicit biases that nobody will recognize.
 
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We're doomed again, aren't we? Going to narrowly miss the tournament for what seems like the third year in a row.
 
Let’s see if this past Saturday sparks us and has us revert back to the early part of the year just like mens hoops.

Focus should be on finishing strong and winning the Hockey East.
 
HuskyHawk said:
We're doomed again, aren't we? Going to narrowly miss the tournament for what seems like the third year in a row.
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I agree but we have done this to ourselves every time. Losing 2 to UNH? Come on. We had QU with 5 minutes left and lost. Last year we also lost a game we could have won down the stretch. 2 years ago we beat Providence like a rented mule then got blown out at home in the HEA tourney. Last years hockey East final followed by this years start seemed we turned the page, but by mid-season it was same old same old.
 
JeannoCT said:
I believe.
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“Looks like UConn can still make it into the NCAA tournament if the Huskies from Storrs can make it to the league championship game, but Providence needs to win Hockey East or keep its fingers crossed for everything to improbably fall its way. Teams that make a strong run at the end are always dangerous, so if either of those two is able to go on a heater, then I’d watch out.”
 
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