UCONN emerging as "heavy favorite" for Samuelson

[doggydaddy]

This sounds like a classic Fear of Success argument. Giving up before you start because the goal seems so difficult. There's nothing intrinsic about Alabama that entitles them to football success. They're just more committed to achieving it.

Geno and Calhoun were the perfect storm along with a growing commitment to the basketball programs from the University.

Uconn has terrific on campus football facility for practice and training. They were moving forward with several bowl wins and even a couple of BE championships before Edsall left and Paul P messed things up.

With conference realignment on the line, Uconn hired Diaco, a former national assistant coach of the year as their new head coach. There is a very positive vibe coming from the program.

Uconn actually has a decent chance to go 7-5 or better and play in another bowl game. It will take a little time, but don't underestimate the commitment Uconn will have to make a top 25 team over the next few years.

 

[HoopsFan21]

This sounds like a classic Fear of Success argument. Giving up before you start because the goal seems so difficult. There's nothing intrinsic about Alabama that entitles them to football success. They're just more committed to achieving it.

There's a lot different with the top P5 schools. They are big. They have a lot of alumni. Some of them have annual budgets that are in the 4 and 5 billion dollar range with athletic departments running in the 9 figures. They have campuses that are small cities by themselves. They've been cultivating their football programs for a century. And they have rivalries that go back half that or longer. They can put 80-90-100-110k butts in their seats. Some places 80k+ just for a silly spring scrimmage game. A lot of these schools have established football pipelines right in their own backyard. When it's Friday night, whole towns shut down to go watch some high school kids play football. Honestly, UConn and the environment compared to an Alabama couldn't be more different. College sports in general have trouble gaining traction in the Northeast just because it's such a pro-sports saturated region. Plus the schools tend to be small which fragments what exists of a college sports fan base. This isn't classic fear of success. It's more like the grass is pretty green on our side of the fence already despite all the doomsday predictions, and we will never be an Alabama, Ohio State, etc. (and I'm not so sure I'd ever want to be in that club anyway) just because it's two different worlds, so why try to be something we aren't?

 

[doggydaddy]

There's a lot different with the top P5 schools. They are big. They have a lot of alumni. Some of them have annual budgets that are in the 4 and 5 billion dollar range with athletic departments running in the 9 figures. They have campuses that are small cities by themselves. They've been cultivating their football programs for a century. And they have rivalries that go back half that or longer. They can put 80-90-100-110k butts in their seats. Some places 80k+ just for a silly spring scrimmage game. A lot of these schools have established football pipelines right in their own backyard. When it's Friday night, whole towns shut down to go watch some high school kids play football. Honestly, UConn and the environment compared to an Alabama couldn't be more different. College sports in general have trouble gaining traction in the Northeast just because it's such a pro-sports saturated region. Plus the schools tend to be small which fragments what exists of a college sports fan base. This isn't classic fear of success. It's more like the grass is pretty green on our side of the fence already despite all the doomsday predictions, and we will never be an Alabama, Ohio State, etc. (and I'm not so sure I'd ever want to be in that club anyway) just because it's two different worlds, so why try to be something we aren't?

Totally agree. But that doesn't mean Uconn can't be a top 25 team that makes a bowl game every season. They have the resources.

 

[msf22b]

There's a lot different with the top P5 schools. They are big. They have a lot of alumni. Some of them have annual budgets that are in the 4 and 5 billion dollar ?

But, for example, here was UConn woman's BB, going nowhere fast.
Get the right coach, the right staff
And stuff starts to happen.
Maybe not Alabama overnight
But a meaningful advancement of what we presently have.
Diaco is exactly the type of coach who has the potential to change everything.

 

[winlots]

[quoteFan1125, post: 958928, member: 446"]We won't be in AAC that long so it will all work out!

Now I wouldnt say all that.....remember Football drives a lot of the conference realignments....until your Football program starts to excel....I don't see you all moving for some years.[/quote]

VOL: two really good and balanced posts there, especially given your preferences. Impressive.

 

[winlots]

This is why I hurry to read Tony C's posts. They make me smile ! It doesn't matter how many other things have gone wrong during the day. I read one of his post's and my mood changes. Thank You and keep up the good work. I can get off the couch now.

RV: umm, wouldn't want you to be too hasty there....

 

[winlots]

- I really liked cohenzone’s post. And I think I understand your comment: we can always honestly debate what is fair. Fairness seems largely a subjective concept; every person determines what is fair in their own mind, based on personal circumstances. I guess that’s why we have a Dept. of Justice, instead of a Dept. of Fairness.

- So, here’s my 'subjective' take:

----It’s never “unfair” to outcompete opponents, using the same rules, on a level field. It’s not only “fair,” it’s fun. It’s why we compete. In a game, or in recruiting. Being the leader, raising the bar, benefits the contest, the contestants, and generations of contestants that follow. So, I think we're OK.

--- “Unfair” would be a bride-musician capable of assiduously collecting and memorizing highly complex concert recordings of favorite conductors… yet whenever a hostess, suddenly proves inept at remembering where she ‘misplaced’ her husband’s kazoo,... AGAIN.

---“Fair” would be an afterlife composers must spend in a landfill, beside André Rieu, searching until they find all my freaking kazoos (Don’t worry- on your way out, you can just hand them over to me, in the “Procrastinators' Section” of Limbo’; I'll still be guessing WCBB players’ height).

ARTY: seems like you know your music and a lot more. Well done.

 

[HoopsFan21]

But, for example, here was UConn woman's BB, going nowhere fast.
Get the right coach, the right staff
And stuff starts to happen.
Maybe not Alabama overnight
But a meaningful advancement of what we presently have.
Diaco is exactly the type of coach who has the potential to change everything.

Yeah I'm not saying we can't have a nice program, that cracks the top 25 and gets a decent bowl game every couple of years, but we're not going to be 'Bama, Texas, USC, Michigan, etc. no matter how hard we try. And, quite frankly, those schools are driving the wedge between student and athlete at an alarming pace, and it's a huge turnoff, to me anyway. Over the last several or maybe five years I've started tuning out college football, and that has nothing to do with UConn's recent slide. If I wanted to watch a pro team, I'd watch one of the dozen pro teams that are followed by sports fans across the state. As much as I'd like UConn to land in a P5 conference for stability, I'd hate for them to have to sell their souls to do so. In fact, I'd rather the school not blow tons of money on paying football players and use that money to continue moving its academic programs up the ladder.

 

[reno tony]

In your case, understood.
Not in mine.

Some of us understood.

 

[semper]

Just wanted to make sure everyone knows there is trouble ahead.

Doggy, you are getting to be insufferable over this! Uncle!

 

[cabbie191]

We are doomed, I tell you, irretrievaly doomed. Doomed! Nay, DOOMED!

Can't we be just retrievably doomed?

 

[UcMiami]

There are the giants of the P5 ranks and then there are a lot of schools that look like Uconn. Heck - most of the ACC looks like Uconn or Uconn light. And half of the Big 10 and most of the Pac10. Even the SEC and Big 12 while top heavy have a bunch of pretty small potato schools.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

[quoteFan1125, post: 958928, member: 446"]We won't be in AAC that long so it will all work out!

Now I wouldnt say all that.....remember Football drives a lot of the conference realignments....until your Football program starts to excel....I don't see you all moving for some years.[/quote]
AnotherVolFan- - Don't be surprised if successful FB or not the BIG10 sooner than later, makes UCONN an offer they can't refuse! I think they already regret picking Rutgers as it's NYC area team! Rutgers brings nothing at all to the BIG10 table in ANY sport but UCONN with 2 BB nat'l championships are bigger in the BIG APPLE than Rutgers!

 

[TroyHouse66]

volfan
<<Looks like the "weak conference" pitch isn't working quite well yet...>>

I don't understand how people can get off calling the AAC a "weak conference"...
doesn't it have two NCAA basketball Championship teams in it? (And at the same time!!)

 

[rvwsleep]

RV: umm, wouldn't want you to be too hasty there....

Glad that you're so concerned.

 

[HuskyNan]

There's a lot different with the top P5 schools. They are big. They have a lot of alumni. Some of them have annual budgets that are in the 4 and 5 billion dollar range with athletic departments running in the 9 figures. They have campuses that are small cities by themselves. They've been cultivating their football programs for a century. And they have rivalries that go back half that or longer. They can put 80-90-100-110k butts in their seats. Some places 80k+ just for a silly spring scrimmage game. A lot of these schools have established football pipelines right in their own backyard. When it's Friday night, whole towns shut down to go watch some high school kids play football. Honestly, UConn and the environment compared to an Alabama couldn't be more different. College sports in general have trouble gaining traction in the Northeast just because it's such a pro-sports saturated region. Plus the schools tend to be small which fragments what exists of a college sports fan base. This isn't classic fear of success. It's more like the grass is pretty green on our side of the fence already despite all the doomsday predictions, and we will never be an Alabama, Ohio State, etc. (and I'm not so sure I'd ever want to be in that club anyway) just because it's two different worlds, so why try to be something we aren't?

Boston College is in the ACC and Rutgers is in the B1G. Neither of them will be mistaken for Alabama.

UConn opened some eyes during the NCAA tournament when Husky fans flooded New York City for the men's Regional final. Cha-ching. NYC is one of the Holy Grails of advertising markets. The basketball teams have given Bob Diaco a golden opportunity and now he just needs to deliver and get UConn out of the AAC. No matter how much folks here want to pretend the AAC won't hurt UConn down the road, they are forgetting basketball trophies won't pay the bills, cold hard cash does and if there's no power conference, the Athletic Dept is not going to have anywhere near enough money to pay coaches like Geno and KO the money they're getting.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

There's a lot different with the top P5 schools. They are big. They have a lot of alumni. Some of them have annual budgets that are in the 4 and 5 billion dollar range with athletic departments running in the 9 figures. They have campuses that are small cities by themselves. They've been cultivating their football programs for a century. And they have rivalries that go back half that or longer. They can put 80-90-100-110k butts in their seats. Some places 80k+ just for a silly spring scrimmage game. A lot of these schools have established football pipelines right in their own backyard. When it's Friday night, whole towns shut down to go watch some high school kids play football. Honestly, UConn and the environment compared to an Alabama couldn't be more different. College sports in general have trouble gaining traction in the Northeast just because it's such a pro-sports saturated region. Plus the schools tend to be small which fragments what exists of a college sports fan base. This isn't classic fear of success. It's more like the grass is pretty green on our side of the fence already despite all the doomsday predictions, and we will never be an Alabama, Ohio State, etc. (and I'm not so sure I'd ever want to be in that club anyway) just because it's two different worlds, so why try to be something we aren't?

Like I said, they're more committed.

 

[hjoerring]

There's a lot different with the top P5 schools. They are big. They have a lot of alumni. Some of them have annual budgets that are in the 4 and 5 billion dollar range with athletic departments running in the 9 figures. They have campuses that are small cities by themselves. They've been cultivating their football programs for a century. And they have rivalries that go back half that or longer. They can put 80-90-100-110k butts in their seats. Some places 80k+ just for a silly spring scrimmage game. A lot of these schools have established football pipelines right in their own backyard. When it's Friday night, whole towns shut down to go watch some high school kids play football. Honestly, UConn and the environment compared to an Alabama couldn't be more different. College sports in general have trouble gaining traction in the Northeast just because it's such a pro-sports saturated region. Plus the schools tend to be small which fragments what exists of a college sports fan base. This isn't classic fear of success. It's more like the grass is pretty green on our side of the fence already despite all the doomsday predictions, and we will never be an Alabama, Ohio State, etc. (and I'm not so sure I'd ever want to be in that club anyway) just because it's two different worlds, so why try to be something we aren't?

Amen! I'm with you on this. I have spent some time both at UT-Austin and UW. FB is religion. It is another world inside the Univ. And the idea of the college athl doesn't make any sense- but these schools can pull it off. We need to find the middle somewhere and, with a a strong brand we may find good success. Notre Dame is a brand. I have been among people who cheered on ND without having any connections whatsoever to the school. 'ND is playing on tv, lets check the game out', they would say. Uconn is also a brand and its social capital is on the rise (in bb, etc). That is where the meat is, not in the nonesense about delivering the NY mkt to the Big or the ACC. Were that to be true any idiot in the B10 or ACC would have seen it yesterday. There are only a few univ that have no need for athletics and are surviving. These are either wealthy institutions with private monies or institut with pork-barrel (Gov't) funding for research (e,g JHU).

 

[Orangutan]

I dont understand UConn is bad for WCBB. Was Babe Ruth bad for baseball. Wilt Russell Dr J Bird and Jordan bad for the NBA . Come on. They set the bar higher and other coaches are forced to attain that level, but only those coachs who want to compete. IMO we need Butler and Samuelson or Durr but I think we get both. With that roster we may not lose a game for a few years. The reason why is because our opponents wont do what it takes to reach the level where Geno and UConn are playing at. Again I dont think fans understand that Geno and UConn have set the bar so high that opponents know they cant reach it. They settle for losing to UConn. Do you think Geno settles for losing? How bout beating ND when it counted. UConn last season proved without KML and Tuck they could not only win but dominate MD DUKE Penn St Cal and Stanford. Then the NCAAs they found a way to win. Was there ever a doubt that UConn would lose last season. If Tuck and Williams are healthy this season I dont see Uconn losing and this season could be the weakest team UConn has for the next 4-6 years. The hyped up person who predicted 195-0 could if we get Durr and Samuleson be wrong it could be much higher then that and Geno would drawft every NCAA record mens and womens that is out there.

Tonyc, I appreciate your enthusiasm. One minor quibble. I don't think the reason why opponents can't beat UConn is because they won't "do what it takes" or because they "settle for losing." I think they are doing everything they can and working as hard as they can to beat UConn. The reason they lose is because UConn is also doing whatever they can to win PLUS UConn starts with the best (or close to it) talent AND develops that talent better than all (or almost all) the other schools, due to Geno.

Saying that other schools settle for losing cheapens what UConn has accomplished, in my opinion. Other schools are going all-out to beat UConn and the Huskies just keep winning.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Tonyc, I appreciate your enthusiasm. One minor quibble. I don't think the reason why opponents can't beat UConn is because they won't "do what it takes" or because they "settle for losing." I think they are doing everything they can and working as hard as they can to beat UConn. The reason they lose is because UConn is also doing whatever they can to win PLUS UConn starts with the best (or close to it) talent AND develops that talent better than all (or almost all) the other schools, due to Geno.

Saying that other schools settle for losing cheapens what UConn has accomplished, in my opinion. Other schools are going all-out to beat UConn and the Huskies just keep winning.

Doris Burke commented during the championship game that every game UConn plays is their opponent's Super Bowl, and thus UConn takes everyone's best shot.

 

[Bayareahusky]

For every naysayer and negative comment I see regarding UConn football..... I think this..... well placed and understood for RIGHT NOW..... but as we speak, we feel the tailwind of immense university support for the football program..... of those programs who came out of nowhere in the past generation.... well there are available templates..... Boise State.... Kansas State..... etc......

But for every negative comment, I think of the existing programs who have nothing to chirp about..... Vanderbilt, Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Wash State, Utah, Kansas, Northwestern...... and several others..... what do these programs have to hang their hat on?

I am grateful to the university's support for the program, in particular the AD and Pres Susan Herbst..... we will get there..... nobody is saying we will be Alabama..... but we can be very competitive..... and we will be..... we lead the country in basketball, no question.... hands down..... the figures bear that out..... but speaking strictly on football ..... we will be fine......

UConn is a proud institution, and is getting better..... all those big conference schools, including those in the proud "academic conferences" of ACC and Big 10 land...... ranked below us.... Again, we will be fine.

 

[Orangutan]

But for every negative comment, I think of the existing programs who have nothing to chirp about..... Vanderbilt, Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Wash State, Utah, Kansas, Northwestern. and several others..... what do these programs have to hang their hat on?

I am sure the question was rhetorical, nonetheless...Duke went 10-4 last year and very nearly pulled an upset over Johnny Manziel's Texas A&M in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl. Vanderbilt went 9-4 and won the BBVA Compass Bowl.

Nonetheless, I do agree that UConn football is up and coming. As an ND football fan, I was sorry to see ND lose Diaco. The arrow is definitely pointing up with him in the fold.

 

[doggydaddy]

I am sure the question was rhetorical, nonetheless...Duke went 10-4 last year and very nearly pulled an upset over Johnny Manziel's Texas A&M in the Chik-Fil-A Bowl. Vanderbilt went 9-4 and won the BBVA Compass Bowl.

Nonetheless, I do agree that UConn football is up and coming. As an ND football fan, I was sorry to see ND lose Diaco. The arrow is definitely pointing up with him in the fold.

Not to hurt our friend Triad's feelings but Duke had a breakout year last year. Prior to that since 2008.....

Duke went 4–8 in 2008 and Duke's 2009 season was a 5–7 campaign, the closest the school had come to bowl eligibility since 1994.
Duke teams had back-to-back 3-9 seasons in 2010 and 2011.
Duke's 2012 team fell to Cincinnati 48-34 in a close contest in the Belk Bowl, finishing the season with a 6–7 record.

Vandy is coming off two solid seasons but was 2-10, 2-10 and 6-7 the three seasons before it.

I don't see why Uconn's last three bad years has some folks thinking that is how they will be going forward.

 

[TimeWillTell]

Tonyc, I appreciate your enthusiasm. One minor quibble. I don't think the reason why opponents can't beat UConn is because they won't "do what it takes" or because they "settle for losing." I think they are doing everything they can and working as hard as they can to beat UConn. The reason they lose is because UConn is also doing whatever they can to win PLUS UConn starts with the best (or close to it) talent AND develops that talent better than all (or almost all) the other schools, due to Geno.

Saying that other schools settle for losing cheapens what UConn has accomplished, in my opinion. Other schools are going all-out to beat UConn and the Huskies just keep winning.

Nice post...................here's my 2 cents.......don't forget to read my signature below.

The UConn women are soooooo hard to beat because the coaching staff recruits highly talented players that have a “WE” mindset, instead of an “I” mindset, and then gets them to play TOGETHER, as a unit, on defense and offense, like no other women’s college basketball team in the country……………..check out what an opponent said after playing UConn, and losing badly in the 2012 NCAA tournament, in my signature below!

I forgot that nonmembers and members who aren't signed in can't see my signature........... so here is the quote from the opponent:
Kansas State senior Brittany Chambers (2012 NCAA tournament):
“You watch a person on TV and you see they do this and that,’’ Chambers said. “You can scout a team and they do this and that. But to play UConn and the way that they play the entire game, I’ve never played a team like that. We haven’t seen a team that plays like that. We’ve played Baylor three times and we’ve played teams that go hard for 40 minutes. With UConn it’s five players, one unit. If one player makes
a mistake the other four have her back the entire time. That’s what makes them special.’’

 

[Waquoit]

So if she signs that would give UConn the highest rated player in the class and 3 of the Top 10? I'll take that.

 

[Zorro]

Can't we be just retrievably doomed?

I guess that would be better, now that you mention it.

 

[Tonyc]

Tonyc, I appreciate your enthusiasm. One minor quibble. I don't think the reason why opponents can't beat UConn is because they won't "do what it takes" or because they "settle for losing." I think they are doing everything they can and working as hard as they can to beat UConn. The reason they lose is because UConn is also doing whatever they can to win PLUS UConn starts with the best (or close to it) talent AND develops that talent better than all (or almost all) the other schools, due to Geno.

Saying that other schools settle for losing cheapens what UConn has accomplished, in my opinion. Other schools are going all-out to beat UConn and the Huskies just keep winning.

Well those of you who know me know that wasnt my intent with what I wrote. By my quote wont do what it takes means going the extra mile. Do more then their doing right now. How do you think Geno got to be what he is and accomplish what he's accomplished. He did it by doing what he is suppose to do and a little be more. He goes to Pro Team practices and consults other coaches. You heard Doris Burke tell coaches to go watch a UConn practice spend time with Geno . Some do some dont and thats what I ment by Do what it takes.

 

[meyers7]

Doris Burke commented during the championship game that every game UConn plays is their opponent's Super Bowl, and thus UConn takes everyone's best shot.

Actually that's kinda sad*. I mean if that's everyone's best shot.....



*Sad for wcbb and everyone else. Not sad for UCONN. We don't care. (see my signature)

 

[Bayareahusky]

Yes Orangutan, even though i know you are not taking me to task on my point..... vanderbilt and duke last year.... good for them, but what is the last year they showed anything? Wash State went to Rose Bowl in the 90s once i think..... even UConn could cite the BCS bowl in 2010...... it is just these programs in big conferences who have shown NOTHING..... come to think of it..... what about Illinois... i can remember a Rose Bowl and a final 4 in hoops 20 years ago... but what else athletically.... Rutgers is really trying if you gauge by how much money they put into athletics.....

The thing is..... all these programs who have nothing to show..... nothing..... I think it is great that Virginia is good in lacrosse and BC is good in hockey..... but if that is their argument to float their athletic boat..... it is innately fraught with holes.

 

[meyers7]

But for every negative comment, I think of the existing programs who have nothing to chirp about..... Vanderbilt, Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Wash State, Utah, Kansas, Northwestern. and several others..... what do these programs have to hang their hat on?

A hell of a lot more money coming in from their conference than UCONN does from the AAC. You don't have to be good, just be in one of the big conferences.

Mo money, mo money, mo money. It's all about the Benjamins. Money talks and BS walks. Show me the money. You're only as good as the money you make.