UCONN emerging as "heavy favorite" for Samuelson

[Billybonggg]

Don't bet on it just yet. We thought we were getting Chiney O and she went to Stanford with her sister. Diamond is (was) staying in the Carolinas; ditto A'ja. EDD got homesick. Lots of 'em just want to stay near home these days.

 

[winlots]

I think it's great for the game. Look at other sports that have had, or continue to have, dynasties. They are great for the sport. Some dynasties are hated, others tolerated, others truly liked. UCONN and its' players are very likable. When you have the men and women winning NC's in the same year TWICE in history, and both times it was UCONN doing it, you set the gold standard for who the very best aspire to play with and for. Just one reason why UCONN continues to recruit, and sign, the very best players in WCBB.

I fail to see how on earth it could be bad for the game. It raises the publicity (just like the win streak), forces other teams to work even harder to reach and aspire to UCONN's level, and gets WCBB talked about. And we are often hearing about "newer" fans who tuned in and appreciated the way UCONN teams play.

Let's be honest - if you don't like women's sports, you won't be able to appreciate what UCONN does. There's no comparison to the NBA or MCBB because women simply can't play above the rim like the men can. Sportscenter's top 10 is always riddled with "OMG what a great dunk" plays.

I really don't think that parity would make WCBB any more interesting to the rest of the nation in general. I also think every few years or so there will be another team to win it all (Baylor, aTm, etc), and you will also get programs who put together great teams who will rise to challenge (UCLA might be the next team to do so).

The whole "good for the game" nonsense came from jealous orange fans. I don't hear Duke, ND, L'ville, Baylor, or other top programs having their fans whine and complain about it...

ERIC: another gem from you . Am especially in agreement with your opening two paragraphs.

 

[winlots]

I think there is already a fair amount of parity. It's just not at the very top, but might not be all that far beneath the surface. UConn's success this year I think is a little misleading as to the over all status of parity. In a given year, the actual NC might not be so obvious. In 2013, UConn was not the favorite and it can be reasonably argued that LVille did UConn a major favor by taking out Baylor. When Texas A&M won (and neither UConn, nor ND, nor Stanford nor Tennessee etc won) it wasn't all that obvious as to who would win. Even this year, lots of people thought ND was a proper challenger and it's too bad they lost their center to muddy the water.

It's no doubt true that UConn, over the last decade plus is never far from the top, but even UConn doesn't win every year, several other programs stay relevant to championship possibilities, and other programs surface regularly to get some notice. It's also true that 4 or 5 other programs get enough talent every year so that a UConn can't outright dominate by default. True that players like Stewart, Moore, Taurasi and Bird are great weapons, and are surrounded by talent, but at times Duke has had that sort of situation, as have ND and a few others, but don't exactly put it all together the same way. It does take something extra, and it really looks like GA is that something.

For those too young or disinterested, when UCLA under Wooden won the NC in 10 of 12 years, it was true that he typically had a roster full of AAs. Arguably, that made his teams even more remarkable, because just like GA, his roster of great individual offensive talent put aside personal goals and played the best team basketball in the country. Like our women, his teams lived off of stifling defense. Getting a lot of talent in one place certainly helps, but it does not assure great team play or an annual commitment to a common goal. That's what truly distinguishes UConn and it it seems it isn't all that easy to replicate by other coaches. If by "parity" the doomsdayers mean that UConn is a problem, I'm afraid that so long as GA is around, they will never be out of the championship discussion provided his teams stay relatively free of key injuries.

COHEN: You're on a roll today...another gem.

 

[winlots]

Don't bet on it just yet. We thought we were getting Chiney O and she went to Stanford with her sister. Diamond is (was) staying in the Carolinas; ditto A'ja. EDD got homesick. Lots of 'em just want to stay near home these days.

BILL: the stats bear you out, and this is a good caution in the midst of some (at least my) euphoria. I would make the point, for discussion purposes,, that our coaching staff and most of the Yarders prefer the kids who bring maturity to the table....and being able to leave the nest could be seen as one sign of that??

 

[Orangutan]

Orang- i just read an article somewhere recently that KLS's two main coaches, HS and AAU I guess, both guess that she is already down to UC & ND. they both say she wants to go to college ad win championships. Not sure if you read the same article already. Thought I would share if you hadn't.

Yes, I saw that. From what I've read about KLS, she is good enough that she can win championships at either school, though the challenge would likely be greater to do so at Notre Dame.

 

[msf22b]

Let's get real hypothetical:

If, if, if, we get Bonnie and the kid from Georgtown transfers.
Then there could well be championships as far as the eye can see.
And with Geno headed for Olympic glory with a team chock full of alumnus.

Sure, not everyone will want to come to sunny Ct. But enough to seriously reload yearly.

Conclusion: it would appear that this season is everyone's best chance …with the possibility of Morgan and Gabby at less than 100%.
I'm not a betting man, but I think we would still win…and fairly easily.

There could be a tipping point during which other coaches moan and get discouraged big time.
And it would require a female take on Johnny Podres and Sandy Amoros for anyone else to get a win.

 

[HGN]

I think it's great for the game. Look at other sports that have had, or continue to have, dynasties. They are great for the sport. Some dynasties are hated, others tolerated, others truly liked. UCONN and its' players are very likable. When you have the men and women winning NC's in the same year TWICE in history, and both times it was UCONN doing it, you set the gold standard for who the very best aspire to play with and for. Just one reason why UCONN continues to recruit, and sign, the very best players in WCBB.

I fail to see how on earth it could be bad for the game. It raises the publicity (just like the win streak), forces other teams to work even harder to reach and aspire to UCONN's level, and gets WCBB talked about. And we are often hearing about "newer" fans who tuned in and appreciated the way UCONN teams play.

Let's be honest - if you don't like women's sports, you won't be able to appreciate what UCONN does. There's no comparison to the NBA or MCBB because women simply can't play above the rim like the men can. Sportscenter's top 10 is always riddled with "OMG what a great dunk" plays.

I really don't think that parity would make WCBB any more interesting to the rest of the nation in general. I also think every few years or so there will be another team to win it all (Baylor, aTm, etc), and you will also get programs who put together great teams who will rise to challenge (UCLA might be the next team to do so).

The whole "good for the game" nonsense came from jealous orange fans. I don't hear Duke, ND, L'ville, Baylor, or other top programs having their fans whine and complain about it...

And adding to that is we are on a fantastic 'Run' right now......Just like the past great Tennessee , Old Dominion , and Louisiana Tech teams. Our Run will come to an end one day , or year. And then it will be someone else's turn. I don't worry about whether its fair for WCBB or not. Its about winning and taking your shots when you can. When UConn was a doormat no one worried about walking all over us and cleaning their feet. So why worry about walking over the others now? Our run will come to an end ...One day. But until then lets just enjoy the ride.

 

[winlots]

And adding to that is we are on a fantastic 'Run' right now.Just like the past great Tennessee , Old Dominion , and Louisiana Tech teams. Our Run will come to an end one day , or year. And then it will be someone else's turn. I don't worry about whether its fair for WCBB or not. Its about winning and taking your shots when you can. When UConn was a doormat no one worried about walking all over us and cleaning their feet. So why worry about walking over the others now? Our run will come to an end ...One day. But until then lets just enjoy the ride.

HGN: aw, hell....I saw this and just couldn't sign off yet. VERY well said....them's my sentiments exactly.

 

[Shenandoah]

Like Geno says, it's not up to him to bring the level of UConn down, it's up to the rest of WCBB to raise their level...

 

[WBFan2004]

But if we don't get out of the AAC Uconn is doomed.

Ya Another board thought we were going to take a hit this year with recruits because of the AAC... Even after the NCs... I just hope all the verbals we are getting end up as LOIs

 

[AnotherVolFan]

Looks like the "weak conference" pitch isn't working quite well yet...2 top 10 recruits and possibly the #1 player in 2015.....not quite a good pitch just yet!

 

[HuskyFan1125]

Looks like the "weak conference" pitch isn't working quite well yet...2 top 10 recruits and possibly the #1 player in 2015.....not quite a good pitch just yet!

We won't be in AAC that long so it will all work out!

 

[AnotherVolFan]

But with all honestly....if you want to get coached by the best I would pick UCONN regardless of conference affiliation....they're clearly a cut above the rest right now and until someone provides some comp....it'll be the same story...imo like some soccer player that chose ND over the powerhouse program North Carolina (twisting words)....You either grow up wanting to play for UCONN & The Lady Vols or against UCONN & The Lady Vols! Lol

 

[AnotherVolFan]

[quoteFan1125, post: 958928, member: 446"]We won't be in AAC that long so it will all work out![/quote]
Now I wouldnt say all that.....remember Football drives a lot of the conference realignments....until your Football program starts to excel....I don't see you all moving for some years.

 

[cohenzone]

[quoteFan1125, post: 958928, member: 446"]We won't be in AAC that long so it will all work out!

Now I wouldnt say all that.....remember Football drives a lot of the conference realignments....until your Football program starts to excel....I don't see you all moving for some years.[/quote]

Well, UConn plays the Vols in a couple of years. After we make y'all yearn for Peyton Manning, all the big conferences will come crawling.

 

[cohenzone]

I think it's great for the game. Look at other sports that have had, or continue to have, dynasties. They are great for the sport. Some dynasties are hated, others tolerated, others truly liked. UCONN and its' players are very likable. When you have the men and women winning NC's in the same year TWICE in history, and both times it was UCONN doing it, you set the gold standard for who the very best aspire to play with and for. Just one reason why UCONN continues to recruit, and sign, the very best players in WCBB.

I fail to see how on earth it could be bad for the game. It raises the publicity (just like the win streak), forces other teams to work even harder to reach and aspire to UCONN's level, and gets WCBB talked about. And we are often hearing about "newer" fans who tuned in and appreciated the way UCONN teams play.

Let's be honest - if you don't like women's sports, you won't be able to appreciate what UCONN does. There's no comparison to the NBA or MCBB because women simply can't play above the rim like the men can. Sportscenter's top 10 is always riddled with "OMG what a great dunk" plays.

I really don't think that parity would make WCBB any more interesting to the rest of the nation in general. I also think every few years or so there will be another team to win it all (Baylor, aTm, etc), and you will also get programs who put together great teams who will rise to challenge (UCLA might be the next team to do so).

The whole "good for the game" nonsense came from jealous orange fans. I don't hear Duke, ND, L'ville, Baylor, or other top programs having their fans whine and complain about it...

I pretty much agree. As "bad" as UConn is for the women's game, opposing programs don't mind the few thousand more seats than normal that are filled when UConn comes to town. Maybe when they figure out how to put a representative team on the court more regularly, the UConn payday won't be so necessary. I also wouldn't be too surprised to see some of the AAC teams improve to be competitive just because UConn is a recruiting attraction. I'm not sure if UConn was factor in Rutger's improvement, but they certainly didn't hurt St. John's, WVU , Cuse or GTown's efforts. It looked to me as if at least 3 or 4 of the new rivals are coached well enough to be good with more talent on the floor. If the league can get to 4 or so teams deep in regular tournament type teams, there aren't many leagues a lot deeper than that. Women's hoops just isn't comparable to either men's hoops or football when it comes to what attracts elite recruits, if only because no league can claim to be all that great up and down the conference or filled with great coaches.

 

[baggerbob]

Geno was asked after UConn won in 2013, after you won in 95, it caused a tremendous amount of interest in the sport. Everyone feels it has plateaued in terms of injuries, and quality of play. Do you agree? And if so, what can it do to get better on both levels?
I think, like in any other sport, the product you put on the floor has to be excellent. and you have to aspire to be really, really good, which means you don't have the majority of the teams in college basketball shooting 40 percent from the floor.
There's got to be a commitment to being great. I think its happening at more schools then ever, but I think there is a feeling we have plateaued. And the interest level has to come back, and maybe players like Stewie will help in accomplishing that.
The best thing for basketball in my humble opinion would be for Stewie to accomplish her stated goal, if I'm here for 4 years, might as well win 4 national championships. She might go down as one of the greatest in the game, time will tell, but everyone likes Stewie, players, coaches, former players. Yet Stewie remains herself, in her own way always deflects the praise to the team. Even the International blogger likes Stewie. ESPN, and all the media, will play the streak, and if UConn wins evey game for 3 years as headline news, which would be great for the game. Can you imagine in 2016, Stewie on the Olympic Team in Rio after winning 4 titles?

 

[Buzzyboy]

I think there are a lot of schools in the major conferences that don't really contribute very much at all in regard to their athletic programs successes and wouldn't it be something that a conference would eject a school if over a substantial length of time, one or more of their schools had little or no success. Once you are in a conference that is considered a major conference, what kind of incentives do you have to really strive to fund and recruit the best players and coaches for athletic success. You still share the same pool of monies at the end of the day, right? In my mind, there are so many deadwood schools that haven't had nearly the success that UConn has had over the last 25 years. How many national championships in soccer, field hockey, men's and women's basketball????

 

[UConnChapette]

[quoteFan1125, post: 958928, member: 446"]We won't be in AAC that long so it will all work out!

Now I wouldnt say all that.....remember Football drives a lot of the conference realignments....until your Football program starts to excel....I don't see you all moving for some years.[/QUOTE]

How then do you explain Rutgers to the Big 10?

 

[sawxfan23]

I think there are a lot of schools in the major conferences that don't really contribute very much at all in regard to their athletic programs successes and wouldn't it be something that a conference would eject a school if over a substantial length of time, one or more of their schools had little or no success. Once you are in a conference that is considered a major conference, what kind of incentives do you have to really strive to fund and recruit the best players and coaches for athletic success. You still share the same pool of monies at the end of the day, right? In my mind, there are so many deadwood schools that haven't had nearly the success that UConn has had over the last 25 years. How many national championships in soccer, field hockey, men's and women's basketball????

The major incentive is the hundreds of million dollars generated each year by tier 3 media rights, ticket and concession sales, merchandise sales, and donations from Alumni that are all boosted significantly by a successful athletic program and are not shared. Last year alone the University of Texas football generated 109 million dollars for the University.

 

[jdubct]

Don't bet on it just yet. We thought we were getting Chiney O and she went to Stanford with her sister. Diamond is (was) staying in the Carolinas; ditto A'ja. EDD got homesick. Lots of 'em just want to stay near home these days.

Just one correction. Chiney strongly favored Stanford throughout her recruiting process. The others were certainly surprises.

 

[HoopsFan21]

The major incentive is the hundreds of million dollars generated each year by tier 3 media rights, ticket and concession sales, merchandise sales, and donations from Alumni that are all boosted significantly by a successful athletic program and are not shared. Last year alone the University of Texas football generated 109 million dollars for the University.

Is it possible that UConn is not a P5 school? I understand the benefits of those conferences for football, but when you start talking about that kind of money that schools like Texas or an Ohio State or Alabama and so on generate, I don't think UConn is in that same class and likely never will be. I don't know how much any of this will ultimately affect WCBB anyway. Perhaps no more than it would affect say the field hockey team. Could this all be much ado about nothing at least from the standpoint of what this board focuses on (WCBB)?

 

[Tonyc]

I dont understand UConn is bad for WCBB. Was Babe Ruth bad for baseball. Wilt Russell Dr J Bird and Jordan bad for the NBA . Come on. They set the bar higher and other coaches are forced to attain that level, but only those coachs who want to compete. IMO we need Butler and Samuelson or Durr but I think we get both. With that roster we may not lose a game for a few years. The reason why is because our opponents wont do what it takes to reach the level where Geno and UConn are playing at. Again I dont think fans understand that Geno and UConn have set the bar so high that opponents know they cant reach it. They settle for losing to UConn. Do you think Geno settles for losing? How bout beating ND when it counted. UConn last season proved without KML and Tuck they could not only win but dominate MD DUKE Penn St Cal and Stanford. Then the NCAAs they found a way to win. Was there ever a doubt that UConn would lose last season. If Tuck and Williams are healthy this season I dont see Uconn losing and this season could be the weakest team UConn has for the next 4-6 years. The hyped up person who predicted 195-0 could if we get Durr and Samuleson be wrong it could be much higher then that and Geno would drawft every NCAA record mens and womens that is out there.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Who was that hyped-up person? The Lone Ranger?

 

[rvwsleep]

I dont understand UConn is bad for WCBB. Was Babe Ruth bad for baseball. Wilt Russell Dr J Bird and Jordan bad for the NBA . Come on. They set the bar higher and other coaches are forced to attain that level, but only those coachs who want to compete. IMO we need Butler and Samuelson or Durr but I think we get both. With that roster we may not lose a game for a few years. The reason why is because our opponents wont do what it takes to reach the level where Geno and UConn are playing at. Again I dont think fans understand that Geno and UConn have set the bar so high that opponents know they cant reach it. They settle for losing to UConn. Do you think Geno settles for losing? How bout beating ND when it counted. UConn last season proved without KML and Tuck they could not only win but dominate MD DUKE Penn St Cal and Stanford. Then the NCAAs they found a way to win. Was there ever a doubt that UConn would lose last season. If Tuck and Williams are healthy this season I dont season Uconn losing and this season could be the weakest team UConn has for the next 4-6 years. The hyped up person who predicted 195-0 could if we get Durr and Samuleson be wrong it could be much higher then that and Geno would drawft every NCAA record mens and womens that is out there.

This is why I hurry to read Tony C's posts. They make me smile ! It doesn't matter how many other things have gone wrong during the day. I read one of his post's and my mood changes. Thank You and keep up the good work. I can get off the couch now.

 

[Buzzyboy]

The major incentive is the hundreds of million dollars generated each year by tier 3 media rights, ticket and concession sales, merchandise sales, and donations from Alumni that are all boosted significantly by a successful athletic program and are not shared. Last year alone the University of Texas football generated 109 million dollars for the University.

Evidently there are a bunch of universities that aren't overtly concerned about those elements because they've had many many years of little or no success and whether those schools get the monies or not from those outside concerns, they have little interest in upgrading their teams. Maybe the money they save by hiring lesser talented coaches and support people saves them in the long term.

 

[Geno-ista]

Now I wouldnt say all that.....remember Football drives a lot of the conference realignments....until your Football program starts to excel....I don't see you all moving for some years.

How then do you explain Rutgers to the Big 10?[/quote]
Rutgers had some real mojo going on in their football for a Gd amt of yrs- their coach went to the NFL- Dolphins? They won a nice bowl game Yankee Stadium just prior - as I recall.

 

[cohenzone]

Let's get real hypothetical:

If, if, if, we get Bonnie and the kid from Georgtown transfers.
Then there could well be championships as far as the eye can see.
And with Geno headed for Olympic glory with a team chock full of alumnus.


Have we given up on DeSheilds already? Let's apply for entry into the WNBA.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Is it possible that UConn is not a P5 school? I understand the benefits of those conferences for football, but when you start talking about that kind of money that schools like Texas or an Ohio State or Alabama and so on generate, I don't think UConn is in that same class and likely never will be...

This sounds like a classic Fear of Success argument. Giving up before you start because the goal seems so difficult. There's nothing intrinsic about Alabama that entitles them to football success. They're just more committed to achieving it.

 

[arty155]

C'mon y'all , don't you know this would be very, very, bad for women's hoops? Especially bad for ND, UT, Duke, Stanford, Baylor etc., etc. etc.

...At what point does it just get unfair?..A legitimate question...

- I really liked cohenzone’s post. And I think I understand your comment: we can always honestly debate what is fair. Fairness seems largely a subjective concept; every person determines what is fair in their own mind, based on personal circumstances. I guess that’s why we have a Dept. of Justice, instead of a Dept. of Fairness*.
- So, here’s my 'subjective' take:

----It’s never “unfair” to outcompete opponents, using the same rules, on a level field. It’s not only “fair,” it’s fun. It’s why we compete. In a game, or in recruiting. Being the leader, raising the bar, benefits the contest, the contestants, and generations of contestants that follow. So, I think we're OK.

--- “Unfair” would be a cute bride-musician perfectly capable of assiduously collecting and memorizing highly complex concert recordings of her favorite conductors… yet whenever a hostess, suddenly proves inept at remembering where she ‘misplaced’ her husband’s kazoo,... AGAIN.

---“Fair” would be an afterlife composers must spend in a landfill, beside André Rieu, searching until they find all my freaking kazoos (Don’t worry- on your way out, you can just hand them over to me, in the “Procrastinators' Section” of Limbo’; I'll still be guessing WCBB players’ height).

*Nathan Sass