Uconn # 8 in BE according to ESPNU

[ArmyHuskyFan]

Ranking don't mean everything, but for everyone to just blow them off is foolish as well IMHO.

Some kids want to go and be the "big fish" in the small pond, but most athletes (see Miami Heat) want to be around other players that are either as good as them or as highly thought of as them. Other coaches at "undesirable" schools have been able to pull it off, but even with the success we have had int he past 5 years our coaches haven't been able to turn the corner.

Maybe P will win 10 games and next year will be his year.

 

[bmayuc]

Not for nothing, but what in Hades makes Wisconsin so attractive to recruits? How do they pull it off?

If they can do it, so can UConn. No excuses, no explanations....

you have obviously never been to Madison, Wisconsin. One of the best campuses in the nation. Mix in that stadium on gameday(insane) and a nice tradition, and you have it.

 

[SubbaBub]

There is a list of recruiting budgets out there on the innertubes. I recall the top teams you'd recognize spend about twice what we do in recruiting. We can start there.

We will never beat the top SEC teams head to head on a regular basis for recruits, just on weather and geography.

But, we should be beating out BC, RU, SU in the NY/New England area and taking a number of recruits from PA, DC and NJ with some under the radar guys from FL and Texas. That should be enough.

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[Excalibur]

LMAO

Preemptive strike? As if this stuff is never said by our own fans??




Like I said, keep things in perspective. Don't mention the success we've had without doing your best to show they aren't legitimate anyway. That's what real fans do.

Right. Like I said, bullshit

 

[BHusky]

you have obviously never been to Madison, Wisconsin. One of the best campuses in the nation. Mix in that stadium on gameday(insane) and a nice tradition, and you have it.

Kind of like asking what is the big draw to State College, PA or Columbus, OH. Only 40k+ undergrads, a great college town and football crazed fans that fill up 100k stadiums every Saturday. Other than that, not much for a HS football recruit.

The Courant interview of Tom Lemming yesterday says it all. He has been ranking recruits well before Scout or Rivals even existed as companies. I know they are his "competition", but he verifies everything we say about how online player rankings are BS. They tailor to the teams that give the sites the most revenue, so if a kid commits to ND as a 2 star recuit, he is a 4 star the next day compared to if he committed to UConn staying the same ranking. As Lemming says, there is nothing these kids have done in one day to jump in star rankings other than some guy behind a computer juicing up the stars after committing to a big name school. Most of these "experts" have never even seen these kids play let alone can evaluate there star rankings. All it takes is one "expert" to rank a kid high and the others jump on board because they do no due diligence and want to keep up with the other sites. Other than the top 100-150 recruits who are truly evaluated and often interviewed, it is all mostly garbage.

 

[freescooter]

Any of you guys read Lemming's comments in this morning's Hartford Courant? sort of puts this ranking, and the whole star system, in perspective. I like his comment that UCONN recruits like Iowa, finds guys who fit their needs and recruit them. He also comments on how where you commit to influences your stars and finally has some nice comments on guys we signed, particularly the linebackers whom he implies shouldbe rated higher.

 

[BlueMAB]

Right. Like I said, bull****

LMAO

Is there a reason you edited my post in your response? That's a rhetorical question. Of course there's a reason, you had to delete the part that proves my point.

 

[freescooter]

For all we know, Nebrich and McCummings were absolutely horrible in practice. Not that it'd stop you from statements which sound suspiciously like you know better.

Hey, Loop, knock it off. pal saw Nebrich play in high school and he completed lots of passes agianst 16 year old corner backs who won't play beyond high school. Ergo, he would automatically do the same agianst BCS competition.

 

[Excalibur]

LMAO

Is there a reason you edited my post in your response? That's a rhetorical question. Of course there's a reason, you had to delete the part that proves my point.

I didn't edit shit. I hit "Reply". The settings don't display two levels of quotes.

As far as proving points -- you quoted one random poster in another thread to make an irrelevant point in a different thread. That's not preemptive? Stuff like that is quickly making the board unreadable.

 

[Rondogg]

@BHusky
Well said. I agree with everything you wrote. My problem with people who say that stars don't matter is that, if we ever reach a level where we are getting ND level recruits, those same fans will be defending the star system. I would rather have the stars and go 5-7 than not have them and go...5-7.

 

[Huskyfan990411]

Kind of like asking what is the big draw to State College, PA or Columbus, OH. Only 40k+ undergrads, a great college town and football crazed fans that fill up 100k stadiums every Saturday. Other than that, not much for a HS football recruit.

The Courant interview of Tom Lemming yesterday says it all. He has been ranking recruits well before Scout or Rivals even existed as companies. I know they are his "competition", but he verifies everything we say about how online player rankings are BS. They tailor to the teams that give the sites the most revenue, so if a kid commits to ND as a 2 star recuit, he is a 4 star the next day compared to if he committed to UConn staying the same ranking. As Lemming says, there is nothing these kids have done in one day to jump in star rankings other than some guy behind a computer juicing up the stars after committing to a big name school. Most of these "experts" have never even seen these kids play let alone can evaluate there star rankings. All it takes is one "expert" to rank a kid high and the others jump on board because they do no due diligence and want to keep up with the other sites. Other than the top 100-150 recruits who are truly evaluated and often interviewed, it is all mostly garbage.

Thank you for mentioning this BHusky....the article in the Courant is a must read for anyone that is criticizing our recruiting based on the rankings that follow this BS "star" system. If this star system was so accurate then Victor Cruz(1 star) or Matt Ryan (2 stars) should not be on a single NFL roster. Let these kids get on the field before you start saying they cant play because some guy behind a desk who has never seen them play decide "well this guy must be a 2 star. I mean he commited to UConn but this other player is a 4 star because he is on scholarship at ND."

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-football-recruit-0201-20120131,0,3497347.story

 

[Palatine]

Hey, Loop, knock it off. pal saw Nebrich play in high school and he completed lots of passes agianst 16 year old corner backs who won't play beyond high school. Ergo, he would automatically do the same agianst BCS competition.

Nebrich had better skills than Mac last year. And he wasn't "horrible" in practice.

I love how you guys defend a QB that was at the bottom of the NCAA ranking last year. Made game losing mistakes. Never improved. And led the team to a losing record.

With that kind of analysis, you would probably decide to take a seat on the Challenger.

 

[junglehusky]

We're arguing about which of last season's QBs sucked worse on signing day.

Awesome.

 

[metsfan2323]

LMAO

Preemptive strike? As if this stuff is never said by our own fans??




Like I said, keep things in perspective. Don't mention the success we've had without doing your best to show they aren't legitimate anyway. That's what real fans do.

I accepted the Big East way of accounting for championships in the other thread. When teams have the same league record in the Big East they share the championship. By that accounting we won 1/3 of a championship in 2010 and 1/2 of a championship in 2007. Adding those two together we have won .833 of a championship to date. By my less accurate way of accounting we would have won one full championship, but I now acknowledge and accept the 83% of a championship per the Big East method.

 

[businesslawyer]

@BHusky
Well said. I agree with everything you wrote. My problem with people who say that stars don't matter is that, if we ever reach a level where we are getting ND level recruits, those same fans will be defending the star system. I would rather have the stars and go 5-7 than not have them and go...5-7.

I'd rather never finish 5-7 again. But if I go 5-7, I could care less how many stars my players had coming out of high school. Ratings are, if useful at all, useful to predict the future. Once the future occurs, why would anyone care how it was predicted to have gone?

 

[freescooter]

Nebrich had better skills than Mac last year. And he wasn't "horrible" in practice.

I love how you guys defend a QB that was at the bottom of the NCAA ranking last year. Made game losing mistakes. Never improved. And led the team to a losing record.

With that kind of analysis, you would probably decide to take a seat on the Challenger.

Are you an assistant coach? Player, maybe? I mean you seem to know what happened in practice so I presume you were there...or maybe you just have a dorm room that overlooks the practice field! Nobody is defending Mac. he was generally not very good. But that doesn't in any way shape or form imply that anyone else was better. It means the pickin's were pretty slim last year. this year's recruiting seems very much to be aimed at addressing that issue going forward, which is what you want a coach to do.

 

[BHusky]

I'd rather never finish 5-7 again. But if I go 5-7, I could care less how many stars my players had coming out of high school. Ratings are, if useful at all, useful to predict the future. Once the future occurs, why would anyone care how it was predicted to have gone?

I think we can all agree that star gazing at recruits cannot be avoided because that is most of the college discussion for the end of the regular season to early February. Teams want to win games and they want to win in recruiting. It would be fun to sit back and see how many 4-5 star recruits UConn could get and dream of the future BCS games with those kids playing. Having not landed those recruits it is easier to see the reality of recruiting and how it often a pure guessing game. But I can also see how you can get caught up in the hype of these highly rated kids if you were a school hording them like Alabama and LSU.

I am not sure if Boise State could have predicted BCS wins and top 10 finishes with these recruit rankings since 2002. So I am hoping UConn is in the same boat.

2011201020092008200720062005200420032002Average
58* 97 60 64 57 78 73 72 73 75 70.7

 

[IMind]

It's a chicken vs. egg thing... do great programs become great programs because they recruit 5* kids... or do kids become 5* because they go to great programs.. I mean every year teams like FSU, Miami, and Notre Dame get top 25 recruiting classes... most of the time top 10 recruiting classes... and they've been pretty mediocre. I think it has far more to do with the strengths and weaknesses of the coaches evaluating the talent and choosing the kids than some arbitrary number some self professed internet expert puts on the kid.

What must Bear Bryant have done without Bob Lichtenfels and Mike Farrell to tell him who was a great football player!? It must have been pure luck!

 

[businesslawyer]

I think we can all agree that star gazing at recruits cannot be avoided because that is most of the college discussion for the end of the regular season to early February. Teams want to win games and they want to win in recruiting. It would be fun to sit back and see how many 4-5 star recruits UConn could get and dream of the future BCS games with those kids playing. Having not landed those recruits it is easier to see the reality of recruiting and how it often a pure guessing game. But I can also see how you can get caught up in the hype of these highly rated kids if you were a school hording them like Alabama and LSU.

I am not sure if Boise State could have predicted BCS wins and top 10 finishes with these recruit rankings since 2002. So I am hoping UConn is in the same boat.

2011201020092008200720062005200420032002Average
58* 97 60 64 57 78 73 72 73 75 70.7

In case I wasn't clear, I do not ignore star ratings as predictors. They are somewhere between 0% and 100% effective, but there is certainly some statistically significant correlation. But once I've seen the player on the field, it becomes of zero importance. I don't take any joy in "winning" recruiting -- "winning" recruiting only makes you optimistic for the upcoming seasons.

 

[J187Money]

Not for nothing, but what in Hades makes Wisconsin so attractive to recruits? How do they pull it off?

If they can do it, so can UConn. No excuses, no explanations....

Go to a game there. You'd send your own kid there before here.


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[Palatine]

Are you an assistant coach? Player, maybe? I mean you seem to know what happened in practice so I presume you were there...or maybe you just have a dorm room that overlooks the practice field! Nobody is defending Mac. he was generally not very good. But that doesn't in any way shape or form imply that anyone else was better. It means the pickin's were pretty slim last year. this year's recruiting seems very much to be aimed at addressing that issue going forward, which is what you want a coach to do.

I read the newspapers, listen to the quotes of our coaches and know a number of folks in and around the program.

If Nebrich was horrible, why was he in competition for the starting job up until the Buffalo game? It's a simple question, have an answer?

 

[JaYnYcE]

I wonder if the basketball board would be content with 2 and 3 star student athletes.


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[MattMang23]

Last in February. First in December. I'll take that trade every day of the year.

 

[BlueMAB]

I didn't edit ****. I hit "Reply". The settings don't display two levels of quotes.

As far as proving points -- you quoted one random poster in another thread to make an irrelevant point in a different thread. That's not preemptive? Stuff like that is quickly making the board unreadable.

Sure it's irrelevant. And sure he's the only one.

But you're right, it's the posts like the following that really make the board an enjoyable place.

I accepted the Big East way of accounting for championships in the other thread. When teams have the same league record in the Big East they share the championship. By that accounting we won 1/3 of a championship in 2010 and 1/2 of a championship in 2007. Adding those two together we have won .833 of a championship to date. By my less accurate way of accounting we would have won one full championship, but I now acknowledge and accept the 83% of a championship per the Big East method.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

I wonder if the basketball board would be content with 2 and 3 star student athletes.


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Seems fair, comparing the relative development and age of the two programs at the Division 1/1A level. Not to mention the huge disparity of numbers that needs to be integrated around the ball associated with each sport.

 

[pepband99]

I wonder if the basketball board would be content with 2 and 3 star student athletes.


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Strawman nonsense.

 

[uconnflyer88]

Last in February. First in December. I'll take that trade every day of the year.

I would wholeheartedly agree with you except we weren't first.....nowhere near actually

So this year RU won the battle in Feb AND Dec.....not a good trend

 

[MidTown Husky]

8th in the Big East? I thought there were only 7 teams? We must have had a bad year

 

[Rondogg]

@midtown

um...what?

 

[TouchdownHusky]

I'm not happy to be "below the radar" because it usually just means we're undermanned. I think the question needs to be asked and answered by the AD and the administration what do we need to do to improve our recruiting. I'm sure they are doing that to some extent, but satisfaction with the status quo is a recipe for failure. I'm all for loyalty but blind loyalty might get you run over by that light at the end of the tunnel. I'm still optomistic and willing to give PP 3 years to show what they can do. But hoping for the best doesn't mean ignoring areas for improvement.

Let me edit to say I think there are a few studs in this group and impact transfers, but also some questionmarks with little outside interest. Are we better going for quantity or saving a couple of schollys for quality in the future?

Agreed. Seems that each year there a many "blind loyalists" that think that if the UConn coaches sign 'em up, that's good enough. Never want to consider that the list is simply "the best they could get" (meaning nowhere near what regulars to the Top 25 would pull in).

Now, this is really PP's first class, so we'll take a wait and see. It looks like it's an upgrade but still not widely respected by people who follow these things closely. This will get some folks riled up I'm sure (the "In Randy we trusted and now in Paul). These are the same folks, however, that got treated to the same UConn God-Awful, inept, offense that the more impatient of us had to suffer through. How many games this past season did the defense produce more TD's than the offense?