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U17 and U18 recruiting target observations

CoachBill said:
charlie - I agree with your last couple takes.
I consider Cam a 2G / combo at next level... I especially do not consider her a PG with the perspective of what Geno would want / demand from position. She is "best" in off ball , Score mode (mixing in playmaking)
There are a couple of Top 20 program coaches that I do think could consider Cam as a potential PG in their program ( they seem to prefer / be more ok with a combo, scoring type PG )

Likely Not ( UConn considering another Combo / Wing type besides Williams )

you mentioned you could see UConn considering another PG (2018 class ). I have thought for over a year... that 5'8" Tatum Veitenheimer (from TX) would be a great fit for Geno . I have expressed via twitter multiple times that inmy view... she is a 2017 version of Jen Rizzotti . She also happens to be very close friends with Lexi Gordon. She has a volume of Power 5 programs clamoring for her.






tatum-veitenheimer
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Coach Bill I do recognize the name and for some reason assumed that she was going to stay in Texas to play with either Baylor or UT
 
Charlie - she ultimately may... but Tatum is also strongly considering multiple programs out of TX
 
CoachBill said:
Charlie - she ultimately may... but Tatum is also strongly considering multiple programs out of TX
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I know UConn has shown some interest in Amaya Brown, Honesty Scott Grayson and Jordan Nixon..........where does Tatum V stack up to those three recruits?
 
CoachBill said:
charlie - I agree with your last couple takes.
I consider Cam a 2G / combo at next level... I especially do not consider her a PG with the perspective of what Geno would want / demand from position. She is "best" in off ball , Score mode (mixing in playmaking)
There are a couple of Top 20 program coaches that I do think could consider Cam as a potential PG in their program ( they seem to prefer / be more ok with a combo, scoring type PG )

Likely Not ( UConn considering another Combo / Wing type besides Williams )

you mentioned you could see UConn considering another PG (2018 class ). I have thought for over a year... that 5'8" Tatum Veitenheimer (from TX) would be a great fit for Geno . I have expressed via twitter multiple times that inmy view... she is a 2017 version of Jen Rizzotti . She also happens to be very close friends with Lexi Gordon. She has a volume of Power 5 programs clamoring for her.






tatum-veitenheimer
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Very nice Bill. I love these types of PGs. They let you know who's running this game when they walk on the floor. Skills and confidence are all there to be polished. Easy to see the Rizzotti fire. Don't know if UConn will have room but Mulkey and Aston must be all over this kid.
 
Sluconn Husky said:
A recap from this game:

Mustangs guard Christyn Williams, ranked the No. 2 junior in the country by ESPN, made a shot with 8.3 seconds left to force overtime.

Central Arkansas Christian, a state runner-up last season, ended overtime on a 12-3 run to win comfortably.

Williams left the game in the second quarter after being poked in the eye. The Gatorade Arkansas Player of the Year returned and scored 27 of her game-high 39 points after halftime. Williams scored 11 of her team's 15 points in overtime.
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Sounds very UConn-like. I think Ekmark had a high school game in which she got a bloody nose, then came back in and went on a scoring spree.
 
charlie - maybe a touch not as "athletic " as those 3 ... but in my view... every bit the complete "PG" and more of Leader, Competitor / Winner, make others better, better Shooter ... than those 3 .

i liked Nixon a lot in person last summer, spring. She would be the one in that group that would rival Tatum for me. (who I want as my PG)
RE: Nixon...Saw Tough, Gamer, all day competitor, Versatile Offensively, legit Defender, Rebounded. perim shooting needed upgrade
 
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BobbyJ - Aston def is ... ( Sedona prince is one of best friends . along with Lexi Gordon) . Mulkey and Gary Blair are as well. Sherri Coale and Cori Close sure are


TXadidasElite ‏@TxElite2017 13 Dec 2016
Big12 PAC12 & SEC sitting in on Tatum. Watching head coaches get excited in stands shows the kind of player she is. Great zest for the game.




XadidasElite ‏@TxElite2017 4 Dec 2016
TXadidasElite Retweeted TRNsports

#Runstheshow #undercontrol #scores #leads #makesplayersaroundherbetter Special when players chose the game > fame @tatumballin4_32




TXadidasElite ‏@TxElite2017 16 Nov 2016
Just 3 days after being named to the Regional Volleyball All Tournament team Tatum starts the basketball season w/ big win going for 29pts
 
CoachBill said:
charlie - maybe a touch not as "athletic " as those 3 ... but in my view... every bit the complete "PG" and more of Leader, Competitor / Winner, make others better, better Shooter ... than those 3 .

i liked Nixon a lot in person last summer, spring. She would be the one in that group that would rival Tatum for me. (who I want as my PG)
RE: Nixon...Saw Tough, Gamer, all day competitor, Versatile Offensively, legit Defender, Rebounded. perim shooting needed upgrade
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Coach:
Thanks, as always, for these updates and observations.
I'm a Long Island native who has lived in New Jersey for years. A buddy I grew up with in Suffolk reported that
my alma mater -- Ward Melville High School -- has a 5'8" point guard named Lauren Hansen (Class of 2019), who is back from an injury that sidelined her last year and she is ripping it. Apparently, Ohio State, Florida and a few other D-1 schools are interested. She plays in the same league as Danielle Cosgrove (WM defeated them this year) and was wondering if you've seen her at any summer camps/HS games.

Thanks...
 
Charliebball said:
Can you believe that Manasquan was not even in the ESPN top 30 nationally.....only Blair Academy was ranked in top 25 and St Rose was top 30.....
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Apparently, ESPN heard you, with Manasquan joining St.Rose in the teens. That might change, given Manasquan's success at a holiday tourney in Orlando during which they swept their slate, led by Mabrey, Masonius and Stella Clarke (I just love saying that name..). Mabrey and Clarke seem to be taking lead in scoring with Masonius adding double-doubles with regularity. Lot of talent on that team.
Harrison (GA) (61) at Manasquan (68) - Girls Basketball


How has your daughter's team been doing so far?
 
CoachBill said:
brand new Highlights of Cameron Swartz
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Too bad the Fighting Irish have signed two guards/wings already on the class of 2018 (K. Gilbert, A. Prohaska). However, rumor is that MM is still looking at Ms. Williams in Arkansas, so maybe there is a possibility of pursuing one more guard/wing if the person is right.
I would bet that Stephanie White has made visits to see her play.... ;)
 
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Cameron Swartz is a baller. I've been keeping up with her for a while now. She has offers from most of the SEC and ACC schools (and a few Pac 12 schools) so it's not like she's flying under the radar... She even camped at South Carolina's Elite Camp over the summer.

She's one of the elite guards in that class, especially offensively. UConn may not be onto her... YET.. but everybody else is.
 
Dillon77 said:
Apparently, ESPN heard you, with Manasquan joining St.Rose in the teens. That might change, given Manasquan's success at a holiday tourney in Orlando during which they swept their slate, led by Mabrey, Masonius and Stella Clarke (I just love saying that name..). Mabrey and Clarke seem to be taking lead in scoring with Masonius adding double-doubles with regularity. Lot of talent on that team.
Harrison (GA) (61) at Manasquan (68) - Girls Basketball


How has your daughter's team been doing so far?
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Manasquan is very, very good...........Masonius is a total team player, letting Mabrey get her shots............as for my kid.....her team is not doing too well.....they lost 5 of their 6 top players to graduation including 2 D1 talents..........they are too young and too small but play hard.........should improve in the next couple of years hopefully............
 
SCGamecock said:
Cameron Swartz is a baller. I've been keeping up with her for a while now. She has offers from most of the SEC and ACC schools (and a few Pac 12 schools) so it's not like she's flying under the radar... She even camped at South Carolina's Elite Camp over the summer.

She's one of the elite guards in that class, especially offensively. UConn may not be onto her... YET.. but everybody else is.
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Any ideas about who is most interested/whom she might be interested in?
 
Dilon77 said:
Any ideas about who is most interested/whom she might be interested in?
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@SCGamecock & @CoachBill similar question any idea why Cameron is so lowly ranked-being outside top 50/60 in both ESPN and Prospectsnation? Cameron's first Boneyard mention was By @Sluconn Husky (Sept 2015)

Sluconn Husky said:
A new name to keep in the memory box: Cameron Swartz (2018) out of Georgia.





Rob Reid on Twitter


2018 GA Guard CAMERON SWARTZ has look of Rising Star - WiseEYEsports
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Dillon77 said:
Too bad the Fighting Irish have signed two guards/wings already on the class of 2018 (K. Gilbert, A. Prohaska). However, rumor is that MM is still looking at Ms. Williams in Arkansas, so maybe there is a possibility of pursuing one more guard/wing if the person is right.
I would bet that Stephanie White has made visits to see her play.... ;)
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UConn really doesn't need any more guards until Class of 2019, unless they think somebody in the 2017 Class will transfer. The only guard in 2018 class would be Williams and that's just b/c she's #2 ranked player. They will have a log jam of wings, guards if people pan out. I think 2018 class is going to be all about the "bigs", add a post player or forward and maybe a PG for the future, with Crystal Dangerfield being a JR at that point. I think they are going to get Smith or Nelson -Ododa
 
Schoup said:
UConn really doesn't need any more guards until Class of 2019, unless they think somebody in the 2017 Class will transfer. The only guard in 2018 class would be Williams and that's just b/c she's #2 ranked player. They will have a log jam of wings, guards if people pan out. I think 2018 class is going to be all about the "bigs", add a post player or forward and maybe a PG for the future, with Crystal Dangerfield being a JR at that point. I think they are going to get Smith or Nelson -Ododa
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I'm with you on all that. You really think there's a chance for ONO? That would be great.
 
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CoCoHusky - Cameron has been a 4 sport kid until the last 9 months (approx ) . her Skill set and putting overall game together has come on strong since the beggining of summer,etc .. once she has become a FT hooper. Including time with a Trainer,etc

She has received raves at events the last 3-5 months.
 
Dillon77 said:
Coach:
Thanks, as always, for these updates and observations.
I'm a Long Island native who has lived in New Jersey for years. A buddy I grew up with in Suffolk reported that
my alma mater -- Ward Melville High School -- has a 5'8" point guard named Lauren Hansen (Class of 2019), who is back from an injury that sidelined her last year and she is ripping it. Apparently, Ohio State, Florida and a few other D-1 schools are interested. She plays in the same league as Danielle Cosgrove (WM defeated them this year) and was wondering if you've seen her at any summer camps/HS games.

Thanks...
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Dillon77 - my current location is very close to WM . Hansen is def on the Rise
 
CoachBill said:
CAMERON SWARTZ
5'11" Mariette, GA ( FBC Mo aau )

in my opinion she is / will be as good as any 2G , Wing in 2018 class
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Wowzers, sign her up! Hope she doesn't bring the purple Lamborghini though.
 
From the clips I thought Swartz looked better than Williams. Or maybe her dad is just a better videographer.
 
mntncougar said:
From the clips I thought Swartz looked better than Williams. Or maybe her dad is just a better videographer.
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One way to level set is to get beyond highlights and evaluate a full game tape of the player against the highest level of competition they have played.
For Christyn Williams that would be USA basketball from this past summer. For Cameron, I'm not sure but I'm very impressed by her athleticism. There were a couple of Jewelloops in Cameron's package and that was very impressive.
 
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mntncougar said:
From the clips I thought Swartz looked better than Williams. Or maybe her dad is just a better videographer.
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Let's just pump the breaks a bit. Swartz looks good, no doubt. But Williams shows me better athleticism, a better body at the 2 or the 1, more deception off of her first and second steps. Both show nice vision and nice shooting form. Swartz looks a little quicker, but Williams' longer stride is deceptive. And Williams is a lefty shooter which is a problem for others at any level. Williams also looks to be the slightly better ball handler and she already looks to be better on the boards. I'll take Williams guys. That's not to say Ms. Swartz isn't a very nice young player indeed.
 
mntncougar said:
From the clips I thought Swartz looked better than Williams. Or maybe her dad is just a better videographer.
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Highlight tapes are just about the most useless way to evaluate talent there is. I have wasted more time than I like to admit watching tape on virtually every top 100 recruit. I have seen full game tape on both Williams and Swartz and there is no doubt that Williams is a better player.
 
** def did not intend for above post to be posted Twice ** at least for today....UNable to delete a post

as has always been the case.... Evaluations and comparing players is Subjective !
" Recognition" definitely also plays a part


but for someone to claim that Highlight video " are just about the most useless way to evaluate talent there is "

In my experience... I have known numerous Very successful college coaches that have benefited (offered scholarships and impact players ) from the resource of Highlight videos.
I myself.. directly benefited (multiple All Conf players ) from the resource of Highlight videos
 
CoachBill said:
** def did not intend for above post to be posted Twice ** at least for today....UNable to delete a post

as has always been the case.... Evaluations and comparing players is Subjective !
" Recognition" definitely also plays a part


but for someone to claim that Highlight video " are just about the most useless way to evaluate talent there is "

In my experience... I have known numerous Very successful college coaches that have benefited (offered scholarships and impact players ) from the resource of Highlight videos.
I myself.. directly benefited (multiple All Conf players ) from the resource of Highlight videos
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I probably overstated my dislike for highlight videos a little too much. However I do not feel they show an accurate representation of the overall talent of a player. Sure in a highlight video you can see things like overall athleticism, ball handling ability, and shooting form. You can't see things like shot selection, overall hustle, how turnover prone a player is, do they play the entire game or take plays off, do they help on D, do they pout when their shot isn't falling, etc. I just find that the things not usually shown in a highlight tape are better indicators to the overall talent of a player.
 
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