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Tyler Phommachanh

Palatine said:
Zion has been protecting the football much better as time goes on. He has had one fumble and no INTs in the last two games. That is a good sign and the reason for optimism.

He has some issues with accuracy especially on short passes. He doesn't seem to get through his progression even with time. If his primary receiver isn't open, he has trouble. Right now it is more important for our QB not to be a liability. The jury is still out whether he develop into an asset. But players do improve.

That is what I see in Zion.
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I'm still at "buy" on Zion too. I think now that we aren't playing very good P5 teams the second half of the year, there's gonna be more deep balls. Hard to throw a deep ball when someone is covered. He's still not making deep throws like we saw in his recruiting videos but in those videos his receivers were getting tons of separation. He certainly needs to work on holding on to the ball/not fumbling a bit and also a couple times he needed to make a throw out of bounds to avoid a sack, but he's doing a good job of knowing when to throw and when to run and when just to take a 2 to -2 yard outcome rather than get drilled (he did get hit a bit last game one time when he tried to stretch it out too much). Also, for the most part, he's been smart enough to throw to the sticks on third down (mostly)... that's something that QBs typically develop pretty late - but this is also having a competent offensive coaching staff that draws up plays to get first down yardage... even in the NFL I see teams screw this up.
 
DoctorWho85 said:
He's probably going to get a medical redshirt, so why not let him get back to 100% before putting him on the field?
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Good point and the other side of it is they can use help on offense with all of these injuries. Also, with an injury that goes this long, you start to wonder if there will be a 100%. Think Akok in bball.
 
KingLurk said:
No inside knowledge here but from the type of injury he suffered and considering it's been about a year, I think they are playing it safe and nothing else, especially for a mobile quarterback. I think he's on the depth chart because of depth issues at the position but I don't think he plays unless there are more injuries.

I'm just a fan watching games here, but he seems involved, active and was celebrating as much as anyone when they won the Fresno game... so I don't think it's a case of a kid just playing out the string in practice to transfer at the end of the season - I think this is just a kid they see has talent and they don't want him to see the field until he's 100% for his own good. Re-injuring the knee would be another lost season and likely the end of his FBS career at this point. No one is going to take him as a transfer if he had to sit another year.
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With an injury that goes more than a season, you start to wonder if there will be a 100% recovery. As far as team injuries, how many more can there be?
 
Buffett10 said:
The guy that tells the truth since people on this board want a CT hero QB to root for and have exaggerated Tyler’s stats to fit that narrative?
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Weak and dumb post.

TP showed tremendous pocket awareness, made quick decisions and looked like a mini Randall Cunningham running the ball and made last year's horribly coached team competitive. He did this 4 months out of high school. You stink at analysis. Take your stats and cram them.
 
According to an article in August, Tyler had:
  • Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL): torn
  • Lateral collateral ligament (LCL): torn
  • Meniscus: torn
If you "just" tear an ACL, your recovery can be shorter, however it's dependent on what is used for the graft - cadaver, patellar tendon, hamstring (the latter two then result in healing time for that area).

If your LCL can heal on it's own, great. If not, then surgery complicates the recovery process.

If you tear your meniscus has to be repaired, then that's a bit of time immobilized before you are allowed to bend the knee, dependent on severity of tear, and if it was a remove or repair, where if just an ACL, they usually want movement fairly quickly.

I have been thru ACLs in both knees, and both times, was lucky to avoid the "terrible triad" of ACL/MCL/meniscus.

All this said, it's not surprising that he may not be 100%. Experts say that an ACL can take up to 2 years to heal from a whole body perspective - getting everything to talk to each other, proprioception, muscle rebuild, and the mental trust to do stuff without hesitating.
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong, I believe Roberson tore his ACL only. Should we expect him to miss the majority of the season next year? Mora may need to be aggressive with the portal for more QBs this off-season
 
metsfan2323 said:
Weak and dumb post.

Tyler Phommachanh showed tremendous pocket awareness, made quick decisions and looked like a mini Randall Cunningham running the ball and made last year's horribly coached team competitive. He did this 4 months out of high school. You stink at analysis. Take your stats and cram them.
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Oh yeah mini Randall Cunningham where he ran the ball 12 times for 14 yds against Wyoming. Oh and also went 7/21 in that Wyoming game in the 2nd half after Wyo was done sleep walking...
 
Maybe they’ll install a new offense during bye week with TP, Brewton, Houston and Marion. Watch out BCU! JK
 
Buffett10 said:
The guy that tells the truth since people on this board want a CT hero QB to root for and have exaggerated Tyler’s stats to fit that narrative?
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I’m not sure I would go quite that far but as I said at the beginning of the year, he is a running quarterback who throws. Those guys normally have a low ceiling. Zion is more of a passer who can run, or at least is supposed to be. I am not sold on him as the future yet. He has had flashes but not too many in my view. I could see him getting beaten out next year. Just not sure who will do it. And FWIW I agree that this board generally overrates local players. They did with Rose. Before him they did with the running back from Berlin. I think they did it a bit with the running back from Ansonia. He was good but not on the same planet as some we had. There are people hear that insist Rosa, clearly a running back and a good one, should be playing quarterback just as there were guys who said Rose should be doing that.
 
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giddyup said:
I’m at a loss as to what anybody sees with ZT. He’s got a strong arm. The rest is a bit of mess in terms of pocket feel, field vision, processing speed, and natural play making. Tyler Phommachanh is a much more naturally equipped QB, though is arm is not as strong.
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I'm not at a loss at all. I've been high on ZT all along. He is having difficulty making quick reads and adapting to speed of college defenses. He doesn't have a 70 yard cannon for an arm.

OTOH, he hasn't had too many issues getting plays called and setting the offense, he doesn't make turnovers and he is getting more familiar with his 5th and 6th WR as a true frosh.

Am I expecting him to turn in to VInce Young at the college level? heck no. But he is showing the ability to run an offense and has gradually improved in the face of massive injury losses on the offensive side of the ball.
 
ZooCougar said:
No. He’s probably getting a deserved medical redshirt year and getting 110% healthy.
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Could it be that Mora is waiting for the BC game for TP to play? He could play the rest of the regular season and still get a medical redshirt, right?
 
giddyup said:
I’m at a loss as to what anybody sees with ZT. He’s got a strong arm. The rest is a bit of mess in terms of pocket feel, field vision, processing speed, and natural play making. Tyler Phommachanh is a much more naturally equipped QB, though is arm is not as strong.
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Unfortunately your totally wrong. I went to the Michigan game at the Big House. Our offensive blocking was good but there is no separation for the receivers . I saw with my own eyes this 18 year old kid had no one to throw it to. When he has open receivers he can deliver the ball on the money. Give him more weapons and this kid will flourish.
 
Derucky said:
Could it be that Mora is waiting for the BC game for Tyler Phommachanh to play? He could play the rest of the regular season and still get a medical redshirt, right?
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Really hoping this is a joke... No coach is gonna hold off on a better player just so that they can have more eligibility left. If that were the case, then Millen would be QB1 right now. Phommachanh is QB3 because Mora/Charlton see the QBs every day in practice and think that's where he fits best for now.
 
Why not? That would only be 4 games played. Or do you mean that's not Mora's plan?
 
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KembaKek said:
Really hoping this is a joke... No coach is gonna hold off on a better player just so that they can have more eligibility left. If that were the case, then Millen would be QB1 right now. Phommachanh is QB3 because Mora/Charlton see the QBs every day in practice and think that's where he fits best for now.
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I'm not saying that at all. He hasn't played at all in any capacity. That's strange even if he is 3rd string. But if Mora is holding him out due to an injury indefinitely anyway, it may be timely to play him if it's appropriate and helpful late enough in the season that they still can get another season out of him.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Weak and dumb post.

Tyler Phommachanh showed tremendous pocket awareness, made quick decisions and looked like a mini Randall Cunningham running the ball and made last year's horribly coached team competitive. He did this 4 months out of high school. You stink at analysis. Take your stats and cram them.
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I thought this was a joke at first but you seem to be serious.
 
Derucky said:
Could it be that Mora is waiting for the BC game for Tyler Phommachanh to play? He could play the rest of the regular season and still get a medical redshirt, right?
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ZooCougar said:
No.
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Derucky said:
Why not? That would only be 4 games played.
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The NCAA Medical Hardship Waiver process changed for injuries that occurred in 2022 moving forward but I believe this is the process for a 2021 incapacitating injury so the second bullet point would apply:

To qualify for a Division I Medical Hardship Waiver:​

  • The athlete can’t have participated in more than 30% of the number of games or dates of competition in their sport.
  • The athlete also must not appear in a contest after the midpoint of the season.
  • The athlete must have contemporaneous documentation from a medical professional that their injury or illness prevents them from being able to continue participating in their season.
Phommachanh may be able to regain a year of eligibility for 2021for a medical hardship waiver when he exhaust all remaining eligibility. This year would then qualify as a regular redshirt year.
 
huskymedic said:
The NCAA Medical Hardship Waiver process changed for injuries that occurred in 2022 moving forward but I believe this is the process for a 2021 incapacitating injury so the second bullet point would apply:

To qualify for a Division I Medical Hardship Waiver:​

  • The athlete can’t have participated in more than 30% of the number of games or dates of competition in their sport.
  • The athlete also must not appear in a contest after the midpoint of the season.
  • The athlete must have contemporaneous documentation from a medical professional that their injury or illness prevents them from being able to continue participating in their season.
Phommachanh may be able to regain a year of eligibility for 2021for a medical hardship waiver when he exhaust all remaining eligibility. This year would then qualify as a regular redshirt year.
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This would be after the mid-point of the season. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Derucky said:
Could it be that Mora is waiting for the BC game for Tyler Phommachanh to play? He could play the rest of the regular season and still get a medical redshirt, right?
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No. I don’t think that happens. Maybe if we are up 30 or down 30 it is possible but I doubt it even under that circumstance
 
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Well I guess you can't play after the mid-point of the season and get a medical redshirt anyway.
 
Turner has shown more promise than Tyler in their true freshmen seasons. Anyone who would deny this has their CT homer glasses on, there’s no way around it. He won’t see the field unless Turner gets injured.
 
Do players who practice in training camp get medical redshirts? I mean he’s on the depth chart and available to play, how does that work?
 
MKH2317 said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, I believe Roberson tore his ACL only. Should we expect him to miss the majority of the season next year? Mora may need to be aggressive with the portal for more QBs this off-season
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Mora needs to be aggressive in the portal for a QB even if he expects Roberson at 100% for the start of next year, and he can’t be sure of that. Good for everyone that we’re getting better with a second string true frosh backup playing, but the stats are what they are. We still don’t know that we have an average FBS QB on the roster — one who would start on a team ranked between 60 and 80 —and we need one.

I’m not telling you that one of the QBs on our roster can’t get there. But none has yet. And ZT’s guts and leadership aside, and TP’s energy when he came in last year aside, and Roberson’s HS recruiting ranking aside as he has less than one game on the field of experience, none of them have proven that level of proficiency yet.
 
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