Transfers - Outbound (8/1/22>7/31/23 cycle)

[CCSUblue]

Are the scholarships year to year? I believe today coaches are making cuts not just players choice. I could be wrong.

Yes. But it's possible that transfers need to be guaranteed the scholli if they sign.

 

[huskymedic]

Yes. But it's possible that transfers need to be guaranteed the scholli if they sign.

“NCAA rules now will require any school that considers athletics when awarding scholarships to transfer student-athletes to provide that scholarship for the rest of a student's five-year eligibility or until they complete the requirements for their bachelor's degree, unless the student transfers again or engages in professional athletics opportunities.”

 

[ktuck911]

Maybe I am misunderstanding - I believe the list of the transfers is for who left and committed to a new school (i.e. still playing football). But maybe you aren't referring to that?

I get what you mean, but I'm definitely not referring to that... I think in life, for many of these kids they start making the transition away from their football dreams to grown up real world dreams... which is understandable...

 

[Sportsman5]

I get what you mean, but I'm definitely not referring to that... I think in life, for many of these kids they start making the transition away from their football dreams to grown up real world dreams... which is understandable...

This is especially true for players that have the 5th year of eligibility remaining due to covid. They explore options through the transfer portal and realize there isn't a great fit for their 5th year, so they enter the job market instead.

 

[ktuck911]

This is especially true for players that have the 5th year of eligibility remaining due to covid. They explore options through the transfer portal and realize there isn't a great fit for their 5th year, so they enter the job market instead.

Exactly...

 

[JohnFSilver]

Are the scholarships year to year? I believe today coaches are making cuts not just players choice. I could be wrong.

They are. But, for many players they won't be run out until they have had 4 years. Like if a kid if 3 1/2 years in. They might say, you don't have a schollie for the next fall, but they want the player to graduate.

I think that's the moral thing to do. You can't kick a kid off the team after 3 years because you recruited him and didn't develop. You gotta see it through, within reason, and let that player get his diploma IMO.

 

[ktuck911]

They are. But, for many players they won't be run out until they have had 4 years. Like if a kid if 3 1/2 years in. They might say, you don't have a schollie for the next fall, but they want the player to graduate.

I think that's the moral thing to do. You can't kick a kid off the team after 3 years because you recruited him and didn't develop. You gotta see it through, within reason, and let that player get his diploma IMO.

Fair assessment right here..

 

[UConnJim]

They are. But, for many players they won't be run out until they have had 4 years. Like if a kid if 3 1/2 years in. They might say, you don't have a schollie for the next fall, but they want the player to graduate.

I think that's the moral thing to do. You can't kick a kid off the team after 3 years because you recruited him and didn't develop. You gotta see it through, within reason, and let that player get his diploma IMO.

If you look at the roster, there are some kids who were R-Soph this past season who will have been at UConn for 4 years. (Remember the COVID year). My guess is if you have been at UConn for 4 years already and do not have a spot after spring ball, they will probably move on with a degree. So, some kids did not leave in December to see if they can earn a spot or get their full 4th year on scholarship.

 

[businesslawyer]

They are. But, for many players they won't be run out until they have had 4 years. Like if a kid if 3 1/2 years in. They might say, you don't have a schollie for the next fall, but they want the player to graduate.

I think that's the moral thing to do. You can't kick a kid off the team after 3 years because you recruited him and didn't develop. You gotta see it through, within reason, and let that player get his diploma IMO.

That is how it should be. If the kid is trying and keeping his nose clean, the right thing to do is to give him four years. If anyone comes back for a fifth, or after graduating — at that point I have no issue with the school wanting the schollie back or the player wanting to move on.

I also want worldwide peace and for climate change to be addressed.

 

[metsfan2323]

They are. But, for many players they won't be run out until they have had 4 years. Like if a kid if 3 1/2 years in. They might say, you don't have a schollie for the next fall, but they want the player to graduate.

I think that's the moral thing to do. You can't kick a kid off the team after 3 years because you recruited him and didn't develop. You gotta see it through, within reason, and let that player get his diploma IMO.

"Within reason" brings many variables into the equation. Coaches are under tremendous pressure to win, so within reason this is a business and tough decisions need to be made. A majority of our guys do find other homes.

 

[kcc1442]

They are. But, for many players they won't be run out until they have had 4 years. Like if a kid if 3 1/2 years in. They might say, you don't have a schollie for the next fall, but they want the player to graduate.

I think that's the moral thing to do. You can't kick a kid off the team after 3 years because you recruited him and didn't develop. You gotta see it through, within reason, and let that player get his diploma IMO.

Ehhh. You could call it running them out and it sounds terrible. Or you could say that the coaches have realistic discussions about the player's future playing time and whether or not they want help finding a new situation that they can excel in and be a key player. Many kids aren't in it to grind and just to be on the team and get a 4 year degree. They all have aspirations of starting and playing big minutes and going to the next level. A great coach these days lays it to them straight and constantly keeps them aware of where they currently stand. When they fall behind in their development, skill level, or talent some will want to stick around and prove the coach wrong but many will use the help (coaches connections, film from practice, etc.) to get to a place that values them a bit more.

I agree with the fact that if a kid truly wants to stick it out and get his degree after being told he is not up to this level of quality, see Richie Springs over on MBB, then he should be allowed to as long as he has good character, is a good teammate, etc.

 

[Guru13]

Well we have less than 5 kids from the recruiting class of 2018 still on the team

 

[uconndogs]

That is how it should be. If the kid is trying and keeping his nose clean, the right thing to do is to give him four years. If anyone comes back for a fifth, or after graduating — at that point I have no issue with the school wanting the schollie back or the player wanting to move on.

I also want worldwide peace and for climate change to be addressed.

Agree, these kids should be allowed to get their educations based on those scholarships.

I do wonder if this changes dramatically once NIL and whatever successor form it takes fully plays out. At top programs it will be pay to play and education will have next to nothing to do with the equation. Under that scenario you have to wonder how programs and schools handle kids how don't pan out. Think professional sports franchise model..........

 

[Scrutineer]

Agree, these kids should be allowed to get their educations based on those scholarships.

I do wonder if this changes dramatically once NIL and whatever successor form it takes fully plays out. At top programs it will be pay to play and education will have next to nothing to do with the equation. Under that scenario you have to wonder how programs and schools handle kids how don't pan out. Think professional sports franchise model..........

The bottom line: NIL money is a cruel joke being played on several million college athletes.

The P5 schools with big TV contracts cleverly designed a scheme that allows them to pay what it takes to get the best recruits (under the guise of fairness), but it'll play out coldly and cruelly for most of those looking for money over education because only about 1.6% of draft eligible college football players are drafted in a typical year, along with 0.8% of college basketball players. (see chart below)

One site I looked at reported that 83% of football players drafted are from FBS rosters and over 50% of those drafted were five star recruits and that % is rising over time.

So, the players will stay focused on making it big in their pro sport, with virtually no chance they'll do so, rather than working to obtain a meaningful education that will allow them to live comfortably the rest of their lives.

See details at this NCAA site:

Estimated probability of competing in professional athletics

Estimated probability of competing in professional athletics

www.ncaa.org

There's a quote that the probability of a high school kid making the NFL is about the same as it would be for getting hit by lightning at some point in your life.

	NCAA Participants	Approximate # Draft Eligible	# Draft Picks	# NCAA Drafted	% NCAA to Major Pro	% NCAA to Total Pro
Baseball	36,011	8,002	1,217	791	9.9%	--
M Basketball	18,816	4,181	60	52	1.2%	21%
W Basketball	16,509	3,669	36	31	0.8%	6.9%
Football	73,712	16,380	254	254	1.6%	--
M Ice Hockey	4,323	961	217	71	7.4%	--

Last Updated: April 8, 2020

 

[huskymedic]

TE Russ Dixon:

 

[Chin Diesel]

Put me in the group of Boneyarders who every time they see this thread updated opens it with some trepidation and upon reading it, goes "pheww", we can handle that.

Nothing against the kids leaving but it has been a tremendous two off-seasons in a row where Mora has held the fort with a high majority of the best performing Huskies choosing to stay in Storrs. You are going to lose a few every year, that's not not gonna happen.

 

[gioff2323]

Put me in the group of Boneyarders who every time they see this thread updated opens it with some trepidation and upon reading it, goes "pheww", we can handle that.

Nothing against the kids leaving but it has been a tremendous two off-seasons in a row where Mora has held the fort with a high majority of the best performing Huskies choosing to stay in Storrs. You are going to lose a few every year, that's not not gonna happen.

It really does feel like the staff keeps upgrading talent, on paper. We trade Dixon for the Michigan kid; the 2 dbs for the Udub and wv kid; do sees a Richmond add, the Louisville back and so on.

I do keep opening looking for another Carter-like drop, but you can almost guess on who’s leaving by who’s coming.

 

[RSTuthill]

If a D1 scholarship is your only pathway to a college education, these post-season months are perilous times.

If you chances of going pro are of de minimus proportions and you can afford it, then D3 or the Ivies are a much much better deal.

 

[noeynox]

"Danger" Russ was a great nickname.

 

[kibblesnbits]

If a D1 scholarship is your only pathway to a college education, these post-season months are perilous times.

If you chances of going pro are of de minimus proportions and you can afford it, then D3 or the Ivies are a much much better deal.

Especially true with the great financial aid packages offered by the Ivies and wealthier DIII schools.

 

[lavuuk153]

The bottom line: NIL money is a cruel joke being played on several million college athletes.

The P5 schools with big TV contracts cleverly designed a scheme that allows them to pay what it takes to get the best recruits (under the guise of fairness), but it'll play out coldly and cruelly for most of those looking for money over education because only about 1.6% of draft eligible college football players are drafted in a typical year, along with 0.8% of college basketball players. (see chart below)

One site I looked at reported that 83% of football players drafted are from FBS rosters and over 50% of those drafted were five star recruits and that % is rising over time.

So, the players will stay focused on making it big in their pro sport, with virtually no chance they'll do so, rather than working to obtain a meaningful education that will allow them to live comfortably the rest of their lives.

See details at this NCAA site:

Estimated probability of competing in professional athletics

Estimated probability of competing in professional athletics

www.ncaa.org

There's a quote that the probability of a high school kid making the NFL is about the same as it would be for getting hit by lightning at some point in your life.

	NCAA Participants	Approximate # Draft Eligible	# Draft Picks	# NCAA Drafted	% NCAA to Major Pro	% NCAA to Total Pro
Baseball	36,011	8,002	1,217	791	9.9%	--
M Basketball	18,816	4,181	60	52	1.2%	21%
W Basketball	16,509	3,669	36	31	0.8%	6.9%
Football	73,712	16,380	254	254	1.6%	--
M Ice Hockey	4,323	961	217	71	7.4%	--

Last Updated: April 8, 2020

I’ve read your post a few times and am confused. Wouldn’t it be a good thing that the majority of college football players are getting paid while in college since so few get drafted? If a player gets forced out because he isn’t good enough to play at a top level he can still get a scholarship at a lower level school and would still have banked some good NIL money.

 

[ktuck911]

I’ve read your post a few times and am confused. Wouldn’t it be a good thing that the majority of college football players are getting paid while in college since so few get drafted? If a player gets forced out because he isn’t good enough to play at a top level he can still get a scholarship at a lower level school and would still have banked some good NIL money.

this makes sense all the way around... but we all know the folks the created the entire system were the setting it up for their children's children only... the old Pyramid scheme... smh... with NIL looks like it's finally coming a tumbling down..... or starting to anyways... unfortunate part about Corporatocracy (sp?) somebody at the top always gets the most.. no true sharing of the wealth equally....

 

[ktuck911]

I know he's 2 years gone, but Krajewski to Wagner! I think that's a great spot for him... He should do well there to finish out his playing career:

 

[businesslawyer]

I wish Steven Krajewski nothing but the best. But for those who were swearing he was the answer for his time here, please accept that no lower FBS coach or high level FCS coach agrees with you. Doesn't mean you're wrong. But it does mean the smart money isn't agreeing with you.

 

[Palatine]

I wish Steven Krajewski nothing but the best. But for those who were swearing he was the answer for his time here, please accept that no lower FBS coach or high level FCS coach agrees with you. Doesn't mean you're wrong. But it does mean the smart money isn't agreeing with you.

But what if he never transferred? He probably beats out Zion for the back up gig. And suddenly he has the controls during UConn's break out season under Mora. What is the opposite of serendipity?

 

[businesslawyer]

But what if he never transferred? He probably beats out Zion for the back up gig. And suddenly he has the controls during UConn's break out season under Mora. What is the opposite of serendipity?

If the staff thought coming into fall he’d be the #2, are you sure he would have left? My guess is that he was given a more pessimistic outlook than that.

 

[Guru13]

If the staff thought coming into fall he’d be the #2, are you sure he would have left? My guess is that he was given a more pessimistic outlook than that.

Gave him option to stay, but would have to compete for qb2 because Roberson was gonna be day 1 starter unless SK had an immaculate fall camp. During spring game, thought SK had a better understanding of the offense when he played.

 

[Husky68]

If the staff thought coming into fall he’d be the #2, are you sure he would have left? My guess is that he was given a more pessimistic outlook than that.

Then the staff made a mistake. ZT was not ready to play Div 1 football in 2022 (and who would expect him to be). Millen and TP were health type issues. Who was Mora putting as #2 knowing he was likely to play a QB who would run quite a bit (injury likely and #2 guy and even #3 guys would need to be ready)?
Looking back at 2022 it is hard to imagine 6 wins with the quarterback play UConn got from ZT with his 108.54 yards per game (111th in FBS) and 10 TD's with 9 interceptions and 6 fumbles.

 

[Windham4th]

Krajewski was, to me, the poster boy for the QB type we needed to move on from. Nothing against him as I cheered for him to do well, but he like most of our QBs over the past decade always seemed to be throwing uphill and only grasping the vanilla offensive schemes. I know it is OC issues too, but after all that time at UCONN his best was middle of the road game manager. We need dynamicism in the QB position which Roberson and Turner seem to have and hopefully any QBs we get going forward.

 

[Gburyhusky]

Then the staff made a mistake. ZT was not ready to play Div 1 football in 2022 (and who would expect him to be). Millen and Tyler Phommachanh were health type issues. Who was Mora putting as #2 knowing he was likely to play a QB who would run quite a bit (injury likely and #2 guy and even #3 guys would need to be ready)?
Looking back at 2022 it is hard to imagine 6 wins with the quarterback play UConn got from ZT with his 108.54 yards per game (111th in FBS) and 10 TD's with 9 interceptions and 6 fumbles.

Not ready for Div 1 but he makes a bowl game? Hard to reconcile that.