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[BuffaloHusky]

One of the aspects we lost this year was the big complementary athlete, passer and defender that Jackson and Castle were. If that player exists… we need to find him.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Interesting leap there. You apparently missed all the posters who apparently think we will be shielded from the chaos.

You can go back to posting into the void about how you know better than the people who get paid gobs of money to coach and construct rosters.

There is about one "the sky is falling because of our conference" post in about every 20 on this board. Someone would have to be posting in a different language not to see them.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Do we really have any idea what to expect with Furphy - kid was balling with Tasmania's best, pretty sure that's not the South Pacific hoops capitol. Feels like a flyer, but I like it.

I don't think we know. One way or the other. Is he a super athletic guy? Neither is Luka at the moment. It's entirely possible that he's really good very soon and also that he never cracks the lineup.

 

[TheHorde]

Mullins, Adams and Furphy all will need to get stronger. The video of Furphy was good but he is awfully skinny. Maybe it was the video or maybe they play with a bigger ball in Australia but it looked huge next to the players

Agreed

 

[NJHusky]

Would we be interested in Swain from Xavier?

He’s prob going to Texas,no???

 

[Matrim55]

I’m a big “players deserve autonomy and money” guy but man, this really does make it less fun.

Everybody’s gonna have a new team every year, it feels like. Ugh.

 

[djct1999]

I’m a big “players deserve autonomy and money” guy but man, this really does make it less fun.

Everybody’s gonna have a new team every year, it feels like. Ugh.

We need transparency. Programs should be forced to post Nil offered to player and Nil actually received by player. People,
Including players, will be shocked.

 

[NHUConnfan]

We need transparency. Programs should be forced to post Nil offered to player and Nil actually received by player. People,
Including players, will be shocked.

That's pay to play. Schools have a real thin line to walk with these NIL deals. If they publish the deals, it gives all the ammo needed for the student's argument that they're employees.

 

[TheHorde]

That's pay to play. Schools have a real thin line to walk with these NIL deals. If they publish the deals, it gives all the ammo needed for the student's argument that they're employees.

Should NIL be separated from the schools where there is no relationship there? I’m in favor of athletes getting paid for their name, image, and likeness. But should they have to do it through an agent and/or deals being brought to them without the schools being involved or connected to it? I think so. It almost definitely wouldn’t happen, but if the NCAA mandated it as such and prevented the schools from being involved, I think it would be much better for the long term health of the game.

 

[NHUConnfan]

Should NIL be separated from the schools where there is no relationship there? I’m in favor of athletes getting paid for their name, image, and likeness. But should they have to do it through an agent and/or deals being brought to them without the schools being involved or connected to it? I think so. It almost definitely wouldn’t happen, but if the NCAA mandated it as such and prevented the schools from being involved, I think it would be much better for the long term health of the game.

I mean, that's the ideal. The problem is, these competitive programs are gonna do whatever they can that's "above board" if it means they can get the player they want...which drives other programs to do it. That's why it's the Wild West out there.

 

[TheHorde]

I mean, that's the ideal. The problem is, these competitive programs are gonna do whatever they can that's "above board" if it means they can get the player they want...which drives other programs to do it. That's why it's the Wild West out there.

I’m not naive enough to think that the power conferences and schools with large NIL budgets would willingly give up that advantage. But it’s theoretically correctable. The NCAA could set up its own department to funnel NIL requests and deals through. Tyson chicken could still pay players, and could theoretically pay Arkansas players only if they wanted to, but it wouldn’t go through and be cooordinated by a specific university. It’s essentially legalized boosting. We all know that. But if it’s tied to the individual athlete and not the school, that’s best. And if a school is wink wink promising an athlete that they’ll get rewarded by XYZ corporation NIL if they commit, then the same penalties could apply that once did for recruiting violations in a non NIL space.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Would you mind explaining this a little? Is your position that we should play highly rested freshman more than Hurley thinks is the best way to win games? Said another way, that we should risk not winning winnable games so we can play freshmen who aren’t helping us win for other reasons? And if that is your position, how do you ever get players to play as unbelievably hard as Samson Johnson played the first half Sunday, before foul trouble, if they know the coach isn’t all in on maximizing the team’s chances to win?

Playing freshman does not equal not winning games.

 

[husky429]

These athletes are not getting paid to play on the court. That's the entire point of NIL.

It's the point of NIL, but it is with 100% certainty not what is happening.

 

[husky429]

You really thought this was necessary?

For all intents and purposes, these are professional athletes. I have 0 problem calling them out for not living up to the hype. I'm not sorry aobut it.

 

[NHUConnfan]

It's the point of NIL, but it is with 100% certainty not what is happening.

It is if you ask universities and the NCAA. Their entire legal argument hinges on it.

 

[husky429]

It is if you ask universities and the NCAA. Their entire legal argument hinges on it.

And? It's still not what is happening.

 

[NHUConnfan]

And? It's still not what is happening.

They're literally doing as much as they can without crossing the line. Any of these suggestions being made takes a big leap over that line.

These institutions are not stupid.

 

[husky429]

They're literally doing as much as they can without crossing the line. Any of these suggestions being made takes a big leap over that line.

These institutions are not stupid.

I don't understand how hard this is to get, or how dense you can possibly be. I'm not saying schools are breaking the law and going to get caught. I'm saying that everyone and their brother understands what is really going on behind the scenes.

 

[KingAG]

I really feel for coaches like Brian Dutcher, finds these diamond in the rough prospects, turns them into really good players, and then they just up & leave. College athletics (football & basketball) are professional leagues, but operate without any of the rules & regulations that other American Pro Sports leagues operate with. It’s funny how you can call out saying this systems broken, then you get tons of people screaming you down about it. Multiple things can be true: the players deserve to be paid, while also acknowledging them just being essentially one year rentals isn’t helpful for the long term of the sport, especially for mid majors/fringe high major teams.

Coaches have been doing it since the beginning of time. Don't want to add parameters now.

 

[Fatroony5]

They're literally doing as much as they can without crossing the line. Any of these suggestions being made takes a big leap over that line.

These institutions are not stupid.

My guy it’s pay to play. We can plug our ears and scream na na na can’t hear you until the cows come home, but that’s what happening. Schools will claim what they have to, doesn’t make it true.

 

[NHUConnfan]

My guy it’s pay to play. We can plug our ears and scream na na na can’t hear you until the cows come home, but that’s what happening. Schools will claim what they have to, doesn’t make it true.

Legally, it isn't yet. And once it is ruled that way, we are kissing the vast majority of college sports goodbye. That's what matters.

 

[KingAG]

What if these players had buyouts? Lmao. That would stop some of this movement. It would take admitting it pay for play though

 

[Fatroony5]

Legally, it isn't yet. And once it is ruled that way, we are kissing the vast majority of college sports goodbye. That's what matters.

That shaped has already sailed. Rev share starts in August, college sports has changed forever, no going back now.

 

[Zonepress]

That's pay to play. Schools have a real thin line to walk with these NIL deals. If they publish the deals, it gives all the ammo needed for the student's argument that they're employees.

U are correct
The “NIL” deals are between two private parties the athlete and whomever is paying them
I suspect publishing information about a contract
Would lead to a lawsuit for invasion of privacy
There is no way legally (nor should there be))
To limit NIL short of the university contractually
Paying the player and limiting other income
If this was done collectively by an NCAA or league
Mandate, this would certainly be an antitrust violation

 

[NHUConnfan]

I don't understand how hard this is to get, or how dense you can possibly be. I'm not saying schools are breaking the law and going to get caught. I'm saying that everyone and their brother understands what is really going on behind the scenes.

I'm not being dense. I'm being very clear on why these suggestions about the transfer portal are non-starters. Perception doesn't matter if the law doesn't see it that way. Doesn't take much to change that though. And for now, what the universities have figured out is probably the furthest extent they can go.

 

[djct1999]

That's pay to play. Schools have a real thin line to walk with these NIL deals. If they publish the deals, it gives all the ammo needed for the student's argument that they're employees.

Aren’t they?

 

[Hurleyman216]

For the last time, unless he’s going to come in and be a lottery pick I doubt he’s in the rotation. I am more than willing to bet anyone who strongly disagrees.

It has nothing to do with how good I think Furphy may or may not be. Most of this board was sure Nowell would have a huge impact at this point last year.

I will not believe any non lottery pick freshman will play at this point until I see it. It is what it is.

You’re doubling down on stupid on a topic that you know nothing about. Just cut your losses man. Will Furphy start? Most likely not, but to say he won’t contribute next year when you literally have no clue is just dumb. These kids coming from overseas that have been playing professionally for 3-5 years before they come to college tend to be a bit more prepared than most guys coming out of high school.

 

[Horatio]

I’m a big “players deserve autonomy and money” guy but man, this really does make it less fun.

Everybody’s gonna have a new team every year, it feels like. Ugh.

Hopefully we can continue to be a program that’s built on a majority of traditional recruits. We’ve had a good balance for two championships. Hope we don’t turn into a yearly free agent, cash register.

 

[NHUConnfan]

That shaped has already sailed. Rev share starts in August, college sports has changed forever, no going back now.

I'm not suggesting to go back. I'm saying that universities are literally trying to thread a needle right now. If universities eventually have to classify all student athletes as employees, legally, there is no financial reason for the vast majority of college sports programs to exist. Universities are already on bootstrapped budgets. You're talking about UConn probably cutting most of their sports...what do you think that means for most D1 programs?

 

[djct1999]

U are correct
The “NIL” deals are between two private parties the athlete and whomever is paying them
I suspect publishing information about a contract
Would lead to a lawsuit for invasion of privacy
There is no way legally (nor should there be))
To limit NIL short of the university contractually
Paying the player and limiting other income
If this was done collectively by an NCAA or league
Mandate, this would certainly be an antitrust violation

Instead one side can totally lie and not hold their end of the bargain. I guess the goal is to disguise the exploitation in a slightly different light.

So player “a” gets poached from UConn. School “y” from a p4 conference offers player “a” 2x in nil. Player “a” transfers but doesn’t actually receive anything more than UConn offered. Thats ok? That happens more than you think.