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Have you seen Osahor rebound? The other 6-plus-footers literally bounce off her. Her hands and her grip are the strongest I can remember seeing in the college game.

And by what standard did Paris "not make it as a pro"? She is a starter on one of only 12 WNBA teams, and has been for at least three years. That alone puts her in pretty elite company.
 
Orangutan said:
Let me suggest Lexie Brown before Triad comes in here and gets his blood pressure up, lol.
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vtcwbuff said:
"It's not like one player was a giant -"

In my opinion Collier has grown about a foot since the season started.
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To opponents it probably looks like she's grown another pair of arms as well. In all the years I've been watching UConn BB I've never seen a player more consistent nor more elegant around the basket. Too bad she's a senior. Oh, wait, this just in. SHE'S ONLY A SOPHOMORE!
 
Plum, Alexis Jones, G. Williams, Wilson, B. Jones, Peterson, Lexie Brown, Mitchell, Collier, and Monique Billings
 
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Jim R said:
One wonders whether the selections, and that includes those here, are based on something other than performance. Brown? Really? Based upon the the Texas game? What about the rest of the season? And, for my money, there are at least 10 other players who've had more complete regular seasons than Wilson, as well. Of course, she's had a much better season than Brown, but, not a NPOY year, like the WCBB press were convinced she'd have. She may have more ability than rebounding over smaller players, going to her left, and shooting 5-10 footers, but don't think we'll ever see it under Staley and crew.
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Looking at Brown's numbers and the number of minutes she averages to me she's a no brainer. Nevertheless I thought we were talking here about AA candidates. NPOY candidate is your narrative.
 
Jim R said:
One wonders whether the selections, and that includes those here, are based on something other than performance. Brown? Really? Based upon the the Texas game? What about the rest of the season? And, for my money, there are at least 10 other players who've had more complete regular seasons than Wilson, as well. Of course, she's had a much better season than Brown, but, not a NPOY year, like the WCBB press were convinced she'd have. She may have more ability than rebounding over smaller players, going to her left, and shooting 5-10 footers, but don't think we'll ever see it under Staley and crew.
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I will present these stats and you can tell me how Wilson is having a MUCH better season than Kalani Brown.

Minutes per Game
Brown 20.3
Wilson 27.2

Points Per Game
Brown 15.0
Wilson 16.9

Rebounds per Game
Brown 8.3
Wilson 7.2

FG%
Brown 65.9
Wilson 58.4

FT%
Brown 72.1
Wilson 71.4

Blocks
Brown 54 (568 minutes played)
Wilson 53 (653 minutes played)

Assists
Brown 38 (568 minutes played)
Wilson 37 (653 minutes played)

Turnovers
Brown 46
Wilson 51

Steals
Brown 9
Wilson 26
 
easttexastrash said:
I will present these stats and you can tell me how Wilson is having a MUCH better season than Kalani Brown.

Minutes per Game
Brown 20.3
Wilson 27.2

Points Per Game
Brown 15.0
Wilson 16.9

Rebounds per Game
Brown 8.3
Wilson 7.2

FG%
Brown 65.9
Wilson 58.4

FT%
Brown 72.1
Wilson 71.4

Blocks
Brown 54 (568 minutes played)
Wilson 53 (653 minutes played)

Assists
Brown 38 (568 minutes played)
Wilson 37 (653 minutes played)

Turnovers
Brown 46
Wilson 51

Steals
Brown 9
Wilson 26
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Well, clearly it's all 'bout those steals :rolleyes:
 
TitleTown said:
IMHO there is no way that UConn gets 3 All Americans this year. Not because they are undeserving, because they are, but because Collier and Samuelson are underclassmen. Seniors, being their last year, also tend to get preferential treatment on these lists.
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TitleTown- - -there are 2 major AA lists AP & WBCA and Collier, Gabby, & KLS will make 3 spots on those two lists! AP lists 5 and WBCA lists 10!
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
TitleTown- - -there are 2 major AA lists AP & WBCA and Collier, Gabby, & KLS will make 3 spots on those two lists! AP lists 5 and WBCA lists 10!
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That may happen but I doubt it but IMHO there is no chance that 3 UConn players will be on the WBCA list.
 
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TitleTown said:
That may happen but I doubt it but IMHO there is no chance that 3 UConn players will be on the WBCA list.
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TitleTown- - IMHO 1 could make the AP and 2 will get spots on the WBCA list! All 3 will make the Wall of Honor!
 
TitleTown said:
That may happen but I doubt it but IMHO there is no chance that 3 UConn players will be on the WBCA list.
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I don't know offhand how often 3 UConn players have made AA in the same year, but I also sense that it's unlikely this year — not impossible, but unlikely — for two main reasons:
  1. Last year's team was arguably the most dominant ever in the history of WCBB. And although this year's team is undefeated, there's more of a sense that the playing field is more level compared to last year.
  2. UConn's three candidates for All-American are all underclassmen and would be first-time AAs. History shows that AA voters show a strong inclination toward (a) previous AAs, and (b) seniors.
In fact, combining the above two reasons with the fact that there's no obvious pecking order among UConn's top 3, I wouldn't be shocked if only one UConn player made it, because even though many if not most voters will vote for at least two UConn players, the "UConn vote" might get diluted by the "parity," if you will, among the UConn candidates.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
TitleTown- - IMHO 1 could make the AP and 2 will get spots on the WBCA list! All 3 will make the Wall of Honor!
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I really hope that happens, but I am inclined to think whichever player makes the AP list of 5 will also make the WBCA list of 10(along with 1 other UConn player) and thus only 2 players make the Wall of Honor this year.
 
When Diamond DeShields is playing her best. There aren't many players better.
 
It's a lot of good player's out there now, on the College Level.
But you got to consider K.Brown of Baylor and B.McCarty of Texas out of the Big 12 Conference.
 
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stwainfan said:
When Diamond DeShields is playing her best. There aren't many players better.
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Stwainfan- - -whatever you're smoking please share the wacky tobacco with this recovering heart patient!
The problem with Ms DD is she, her teammates, coaches or fans have any clue whether she'll go for 20pts, 10rbs, 3assts, or 2pts.,0rbs, 1asst, and 20 to's!
She'll be sprinting to the WNBA after this season, where she'll last a couple to 3 years till her team understands she's out for herself and not worth the salary or the time spent trying to make her follow the game plan!
 
I think 3 UCONN players should get in. I don't see why not on the WBCA. IMO it makes no sense to NOT have 3. Though sometimes the voters don't make sense I understand. First off- just because we have no preseason a/a's - so what?

1-- We have the toughest schedule in all of basketball.

2-- We are undefeated. IMO winning COUNTS. Being UNDEFEATED is SPECIAL. During the undefeated season- - when they've played the extremely tough games-- at their respective positions vs the elite teams or the tough games-- they have been the best player at their respective positions almost all the time OUTPLAYING other elite players at their respective positions. OFC for example you can look at Lou's bad game vs USC. But what other game?????? You look at other candidates after the 1st five or so-- - many have had several clunkers in big games. Playing well vs the best of the best has weight, doesn't it?

3-- We look at other teams stats and give them an "atta boy" but for UCONN let's do the same. Lou leads the best team in the nation in scoring. Napheesa leads the team in efficiency and rebounding. Gabby leads the team in assists and is the best defender on the team. Why wouldn't the team in which they have three unique players who has beaten the best of the best and each of the 3 has basically "won" their position in nearly all the big games NOT be properly recognized for this?

4-- Why not recognize what is near historic? This UConn team had ZERO preseason all-americans (see link below) yet they had the toughest schedule and went undefeated. How often in the history of the sport has that happened? So why should "precedence rule" when what UCONN is doing is historic or near-historic considering UConn has played the toughest schedule in all of wcbb in which the 3 players cited have "won" at their respective positions for the most part?

Madness Women's Basketball 2016-2017 Preseason All-American Teams

I just can't see not recognizing them - in addition the winning streak- but besides that - Undefeated is special-- and does anyone think Gabby or Napheesa is going to sniff being NPOY with the voters? Mots of us have Collier as the best UCONN player according to a poll yet she wasn't even on the Wooden list. So we're the top team, undefeated, have a historic type of season in which players are unique "winning" their individual positions in big games while no one will sniff NPOY, yet we aren't "allowed" to have three A/A's while some other teams have a star player that might get in who has had more clunkers in big games and they are allowed to get in? IMO that would be so brazenly incompetent or bias - similar to a long time ago in which they used to stick all the male coaches in the same region and pretend it was an accident.

Just for example two players - definitely qualified to get in based on what I mentioned above in a way but then I don't think they will or should at least over the UCONN players - I would disqualify them- one is Vivians. Look at her offensive numbers. She is shooting 39% from the floor, 30% from 3, averaging 4.5 rebounds, has more turnovers than assists and her steals and blocked shots are only slightly better than Lou's. SO her team is awesome- and she is the without a doubt the leading scorer- but her numbers are poor other than ppg - and her rebounding is just avg. And Lou has had 2 less games for steals and blocks which isn't her strong categories yet right now her numbers are near identical

Other player is Peterson from Cuse. Peterson vs Lou for example- the only thing Peterson does better than Lou is pass the ball better and get more steals. Not close at all to Lou's efficiency. So why should she get a/a over Lou in which Peterson has "helped" her team to NINE losses? We're going to reward a gunner that loses a lot vs a player that leads the best team in the nation in scoring while playing the toughest schedule? The combination of being a gunner and losing often shouldn't be rewarded top ten a/a unless you are lot more efficient than what she is showing vs other efficient high scoring players - that actually WIN.
 
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Osahor has 10 pts and 3 rebounds...in the first 2 1/2 minutes of the game tonight. Not bad. Plum hasn't taken a shot yet but has 3 assists.
 
stwainfan said:
When Diamond DeShields is playing her best. There aren't many players better.
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To me DD's talent has never been in question. Neither was JaMarcus Russell's, Ryan Leaf's, Sam Bowie and Kwame Brown. Now I'm not saying that DD won't be a fine professional, but a few things she does are going to make it difficult for her to be a great pro or win championships. Her athleticism makes her a threat to score anywhere on the court, but because she often jumps so high on her jumpers it's never at a consistent height. To me she'll never be a consistent jump shooter and she'll always be streaky. The WNBA as does the NBA tends to be more of an isolation league. As a pro as in college DD is going to have to take the lions share of shots because she's not an efficient shooter. Playing isolation ball with your guard taking most of your shots is real difficult to win either at the college or pro level, and as a pro she's going to meet a lot of players with equal athleticism. Some who will be more consistent shooters. Can her personality coexist on a team where she plays 1B or C to the 1A of someone else? So far as a collegiate she's also an inconsistent passer with most of her turnovers occurring when she off loads the ball. Think that's going to change? I mean, I could be miles wrong. Time will tell.
 
Osahor w/ 19 pts. and 10 rebounds...at halftime. Yeah, I think she deserves to be mentioned among the best frontcourt players in the country.
 
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Osahor finished w/ 24 pts. 20 reb. and 5 assists, and sat out the last 5 minutes or so.
 
stwainfan said:
When Diamond DeShields is playing her best. There aren't many players better.
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Problem is she's wildly inconsistent and hasn't exhibited good basketball IQ. No chance at AA this year even if she is one of the more gifted players in the country. She's also a high risk high reward kind of player in the draft. Her game will be well suited for the pros, but she is wildly inconsistent and could easily be out of the league in just a few years. She could also develop into an Angel Mccoughtry caliber player if she'll work her butt off and improve her shooting/IQ. If I'm a GM of a good team, I'm not risking my pick on her. I'd opt for several others ahead of her.
 
easttexastrash said:
Kalani Brown is one of the best players in the nation. There is not a post player that I would put on any list ahead of her. Brown is averaging 15 points, 8.3 rebounds and almost 2 blocks a game...in only 20 minutes per game. We saw what she can do if she gets to play 35 minutes per game.
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Just on the basis of what you're saying, because I haven't watched much of Baylor. Why is Kalani Brown only getting 20 minutes a game if she's such a player. Doesn't it suggest there's some kind of problem, whether it be she is apt to foul like crazy or Kim doesn't feel exactly as you do???? I'm just trying to be the devils advocate here!
 
stwainfan said:
When Diamond DeShields is playing her best. There aren't many players better.
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When all players are playing their best, Plum, Canada, Weise, Jones, Allen, Williams, Collier, Samuelson, Mitchell, Slocum, Morgan, McCarty are just as good if not better than DeShields.
 
CajunHusky said:
When all players are playing their best, Plum, Canada, Weise, Jones, Allen, Williams, Collier, Samuelson, Mitchell, Slocum, Morgan, McCarty are just as good if not better than DeShields.
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Thank you.
 
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