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AllHusky said:
Who are considered bad(or less than good) coaches in the top 16?
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Scheyer and Hubert although Duke won’t be a 4 seed anyways. I can’t tell you who Virginia’s coach is either.
 
JungleLobo said:
Plenty to help UConn move the needle with the tight range for next poll:

Quad 1 Opportunity
On Wednesday, Quad 1Z win available at a Butler team that’s 3-10 against Quads 1 & 2 this year.

Potential Q1 Win Upgrades
Villanova (32) is knocking on the door of upgrading that home W to a Quad 1 and Creighton (78) away W as well.
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Providence is at 77.
 
HooperScooper said:
I don't really care that much about the rankings at this point but that is just strange.

Duke loses at UNC (#11 in the AP Poll and #27 on kenpom) and stays at 4.

UConn loses at SJU (#17 in the AP Poll and #16 on kenpom) and drops back 3 spots.

Whatever.
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Left one major point out in the conversation between Duke & UConn- Duke #3 in KenPom- UConn #8 in KenPom.

As you stated above- doesn’t really matter to me as well lol. Think being #1 is good for program branding- but #5 or #6- na.
 
UConNick said:
Nailed it. Of course Duke doesn’t even drop one spot.
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Yes, it's exactly what I said.

UNC and St. John's are about equally as tough.

St. John's s__t the bed out of conference so a loss to them looks worse.
 
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Digging into the vote totals in more detail, it's not dissimilar from the Coaches' Poll.

It's
1) Arizona
2) Michigan
3-6) Jumble of legit 2-loss teams within 48 points of each other (with 59 voters, that's nearly within "error bars")
7-8) Nebraska and Illinois

I think we're pretty well above #7, but we're also the lowest of the #3-6 group right now, which has us in danger of being screwed with Houston in Houston. I don't expect Duke to be seriously threatened the rest of the way, but the Big XII has a lot to be sorted out.

If we win out we'll get a #1 seed. Otherwise probably not, given the conference and the impression of voters that's already been made evident.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Digging into the vote totals in more detail, it's not dissimilar from the Coaches' Poll.

It's
1) Arizona
2) Michigan
3-6) Jumble of legit 2-loss teams within 48 points of each other (with 59 voters, that's nearly within "error bars")
7-8) Nebraska and Illinois

I think we're pretty well above #7, but we're also the lowest of the #3-6 group right now, which has us in danger of being screwed with Houston in Houston. I don't expect Duke to be seriously threatened the rest of the way, but the Big XII has a lot to be sorted out.

If we win out we'll get a #1 seed. Otherwise probably not, given the conference and the impression of voters that's already been made evident.
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Winning out certainly does not assure a 1. Remember last week when we won 2 and still dropped? It’s fairly clear the national voters and metrics don’t favor the big east and UConn. A lot has to happen for UConn to get a 1. Another loss or two will more likely drop us to a 3. To me, the most likely scenario remains a 2 seed in east.
 
djct1999 said:
Winning out certainly does not assure a 1. Remember last week when we won 2 and still dropped? It’s fairly clear the national voters and metrics don’t favor the big east and UConn. A lot has to happen for UConn to get a 1. Another loss or two will more likely drop us to a 3. To me, the most likely scenario remains a 2 seed in east.
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Well luckily for UConn the committee uses actual facts and not your opinion. Because the reality is the metrics do favor UConn, and if the season ended today we would be a 1 seed. That's why people say if we win out we will be a 1 seed
 
Can someone please set the record straight- is KenPom a “metric” used by the selection committee like WAB and NET?
 
bendm said:
Can someone please set the record straight- is KenPom a “metric” used by the selection committee like WAB and NET?
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Yes, its on there as a predictive metric

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navery12 said:
Well luckily for UConn the committee uses actual facts and not your opinion. Because the reality is the metrics do favor UConn, and if the season ended today we would be a 1 seed. That's why people say if we win out we will be a 1 seed
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Time will tell. I hope you are right but…..
 
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bendm said:
Can someone please set the record straight- is KenPom a “metric” used by the selection committee like
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Bart Torvik is more reliable than KPom’s level of ass kickin’ table
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Digging into the vote totals in more detail, it's not dissimilar from the Coaches' Poll.

It's
1) Arizona
2) Michigan
3-6) Jumble of legit 2-loss teams within 48 points of each other (with 59 voters, that's nearly within "error bars")
7-8) Nebraska and Illinois

I think we're pretty well above #7, but we're also the lowest of the #3-6 group right now, which has us in danger of being screwed with Houston in Houston. I don't expect Duke to be seriously threatened the rest of the way, but the Big XII has a lot to be sorted out.

If we win out we'll get a #1 seed. Otherwise probably not, given the conference and the impression of voters that's already been made evident.
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like others have said...better to be a 2 in the east than a 1 in the south with Houston as the 2
 
NJHusky said:
like others have said...better to be a 2 in the east than a 1 in the south with Houston as the 2
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Well, let's not forget the 2 gets to face a 3 seed, the 1 gets to face a 4 - in the Elite 8. Right now the 3 seeds would be significantly better than the 4s. 3's will likely include teams like Kansas, Florida, Mich St. I'm not exactly sure it's the better option.
 
RuffRuff said:
Well, let's not forget the 2 gets to face a 3 seed, the 1 gets to face a 4 - in the Elite 8. Right now the 3 seeds would be significantly better than the 4s. 3's will likely include teams like Kansas, Florida, Mich St. I'm not exactly sure it's the better option.
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1v4 in sweet 16 but I agree. I’d never say I don’t care whether we get a 1 or 2. This is the first time I’ve ever considered it given Houston looks like the best 2 seed and would have homecourt in the south region.
 
RuffRuff said:
Well, let's not forget the 2 gets to face a 3 seed, the 1 gets to face a 4 - in the Elite 8. Right now the 3 seeds would be significantly better than the 4s. 3's will likely include teams like Kansas, Florida, Mich St. I'm not exactly sure it's the better option.
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Wow. 3 seeds are better than 4 seeds? Who knew. Lol.
 
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navery12 said:
Well luckily for UConn the committee uses actual facts and not your opinion. Because the reality is the metrics do favor UConn, and if the season ended today we would be a 1 seed. That's why people say if we win out we will be a 1 seed
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I agree 100% our non con wins have carried us in all types of polls as they should have. Our two losses are pretty understandable L's. Also, a st johns win against us, with little crazy damage done to our rankings, could be better for any team that may beat the Johnnies going fwd.
Right now we'd be a 1 seed, and our non-con wins are why.
 
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This whole ranking thing is so overdone. Look at last year. You had to beat Fla to win the National Championship. We had our chance and couldn't do it. Would it have been better to lose in the Championship game? More fun to be in the final, yes.. A loss is a loss though. It's win or go home time. Survive and advance. No style points for rankings, just W's and L's. Perfect.
 
RuffRuff said:
Well, let's not forget the 2 gets to face a 3 seed, the 1 gets to face a 4 - in the Elite 8. Right now the 3 seeds would be significantly better than the 4s. 3's will likely include teams like Kansas, Florida, Mich St. I'm not exactly sure it's the better option.
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Not disputing the numbers, just that having to face Houston in Houston would be a major disadvantage. I'm sure their fanbase would be even more revved up and 90% of that arena would be Houston fans. A 1 should never be put in the home city of a lower seed. The adv should go the number 1. To me, that is a bigger disadvantage than playing the 3 seed.
 
Inyatkin said:
Breaking: You have to beat good teams to win a title
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Sure, but you always want the best odds to win possible to go deep. Teams get knocked out, things happen the deeper you get. This Uconn team isn't 2024 UConn, matchups matter.

Point is there is a distinct difference in quality this year between what will likely be the 3 and 4 seeds. It's been generally noted that there are about 12 teams this year that could make a run to the NC. I'd rather not play an extra one of those on the way in if we don't have to. Houston could lose to one of them.
 
RuffRuff said:
Sure, but you always want the best odds to win possible to go deep. Teams get knocked out, things happen the deeper you get. This Uconn team isn't 2024 UConn, matchups matter.

Point is there is a distinct difference in quality this year between what will likely be the 3 and 4 seeds. It's been generally noted that there are about 12 teams this year that could make a run to the NC. I'd rather not play an extra one of those on the way in if we don't have to. Houston could lose to one of them.
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And you don't have to beat all of the good teams to win a title!
 
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Some of these voters have Kansas and Illinois ahead of UConn. Seth Davis has St. John's ahead of UConn.

I hate to say this but there is NO point in having a strong OOC.

You get NO credit for it, it can only harm you.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Digging into the vote totals in more detail, it's not dissimilar from the Coaches' Poll.

It's
1) Arizona
2) Michigan
3-6) Jumble of legit 2-loss teams within 48 points of each other (with 59 voters, that's nearly within "error bars")
7-8) Nebraska and Illinois

I think we're pretty well above #7, but we're also the lowest of the #3-6 group right now, which has us in danger of being screwed with Houston in Houston. I don't expect Duke to be seriously threatened the rest of the way, but the Big XII has a lot to be sorted out.

If we win out we'll get a #1 seed. Otherwise probably not, given the conference and the impression of voters that's already been made evident.
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If you look at the actual votes, you'd wonder why OOC matters at all.

Voters have Kansas and St. John's ahead of us, not to mention Illinois.
 
NJHusky said:
like others have said...better to be a 2 in the east than a 1 in the south with Houston as the 2
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With all the crap the committee pulls they better not do that. That would be worse than 23-24 when we were the overall #1 and had the hardest path to the FF, because they had already set up the brackets with us as the second or third and were too lazy to change it.
 
This is reiteration for most here, but polls are, for better or worse, merely a snapshot of a team's momentum over the last 3-4 weeks. So, while frustrating, it's not surprising that voters have been asking a little too much "what have you done for me lately?" and not more about the overall resume. Fortunately, the selection committee does take the more holistic approach when it comes time to seed the field.
 
upstater said:
Some of these voters have Kansas and Illinois ahead of UConn. Seth Davis has St. John's ahead of UConn.

I hate to say this but there is NO point in having a strong OOC.

You get NO credit for it, it can only harm you.
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AP voters opinions don’t mean crap. The committee is not taking any of those teams over UConn right now lol. The OOC is the reason why because Lord knows the Big East ain’t helping us with that.

Just remember that last year, AP #10 Louisville got an 8 seed that same week.
 
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