Knicks fans are delusional. They are far away from an actual chip. The only reason they beat the C's was injuries to 4 of their starters - Tatum, Brown, Porzingas, & Holiday. Also, no coach is going to win you a Title if KAT is your Number 2 guy. Period.
Tom Thibodeau is out as head coach of the Knicks (Merged threads)
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Excellent take and 100% spot on. If anything he’d come back around in a rebuild a few years down the line. This timing makes zero sense the more you think about it.
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The Knicks were pretty much being coached by the internet at the end. The 5-man unit that Thibs stuck with forever was the worst five man unit in the entire playoffs. Yet he stuck with it for so long. Finally bailed on it when it was too late. Fans were calling for this all season.
Discovered by accident that staggering KAT and Brunson as much as possible is the best way to go.
Simple offensive schemes. Too much isolation. Not enough off-ball action for Brunson to make his life easier. Should have had Bridges/Hart/Deuce exclusively bring the ball up vs full court pressure to lighten Brunson's load. Too much drop coverage, and too severe of drop coverage. Took until Game 5 to realize that you should actually try to make Haliburton's life difficult and not easily come off ball screens with a ton of space. He's never had a clue when to call timeouts.
Meanwhile Indy looked like a fine-tuned machine. Great chemistry, ball movement, seldom needing to create their own offense or forcing stuff vs a set defense. That's Carlisle's system. Indy has one guy who can consistently create his own shot and it's Siakam. Even Haliburton needs transition or pick and rolls. Turner didn't have a good series. They simply executed their stuff and got open looks.
The only reason the Knicks even hung around this series is because they had superior individual talent. Indy looked like a seasoned NBA team. The Knicks looked like a bunch of guys playing pick up. It's coaching.
Discovered by accident that staggering KAT and Brunson as much as possible is the best way to go.
Simple offensive schemes. Too much isolation. Not enough off-ball action for Brunson to make his life easier. Should have had Bridges/Hart/Deuce exclusively bring the ball up vs full court pressure to lighten Brunson's load. Too much drop coverage, and too severe of drop coverage. Took until Game 5 to realize that you should actually try to make Haliburton's life difficult and not easily come off ball screens with a ton of space. He's never had a clue when to call timeouts.
Meanwhile Indy looked like a fine-tuned machine. Great chemistry, ball movement, seldom needing to create their own offense or forcing stuff vs a set defense. That's Carlisle's system. Indy has one guy who can consistently create his own shot and it's Siakam. Even Haliburton needs transition or pick and rolls. Turner didn't have a good series. They simply executed their stuff and got open looks.
The only reason the Knicks even hung around this series is because they had superior individual talent. Indy looked like a seasoned NBA team. The Knicks looked like a bunch of guys playing pick up. It's coaching.
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No, but Thibs is the guy who wasted the team built using those 6 1sts. Him waiting until the middle of the series to find out that there were things Delon Wright and Landry Shamet can do to help them win is his fault
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Wright is not going to say yes just because there are former Villanova players on the Knicks. I am leaning toward believing Seth Green’s take that he doesn’t want to coach again. I’d be happy if that’s wrong.
Hurley doesn’t want to coach forever. That spells trouble if he truly wants to coach in the NBA which he has said appeals to him. It’s better to get started now. And staying in the northeast is something else he and Andrea really want.
I don’t follow the NBA closely so I’m hoping those that say Malone will be the top choice are right.
Hopefully this is done quickly. At least UConn has commitments already for next season. They could opt out if Hurley goes but at least they are in Storrs for now.
Hurley doesn’t want to coach forever. That spells trouble if he truly wants to coach in the NBA which he has said appeals to him. It’s better to get started now. And staying in the northeast is something else he and Andrea really want.
I don’t follow the NBA closely so I’m hoping those that say Malone will be the top choice are right.
Hopefully this is done quickly. At least UConn has commitments already for next season. They could opt out if Hurley goes but at least they are in Storrs for now.
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Why the author is probably going to end up right, I don’t think the reasoning has any merit beyond just trying to trash on Hurley. He was clearly heavily considering the Lakers. The Lakers clearly wanted him. New York’s geographical location is an extremely significant difference between the two situations.FWIW
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I agree. I'd be worried about Dan taking the job if it were offered, but I'm more inclined to think the Knicks already have what they are going to do lined up and Malone makes more sense. Could that person be Dan? Maybe, but it just doesn't feel like it.
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Dont think its Malone. He only plays 7 guys too. Knicks need to develop and play more players.
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The 11 second shot clock difference is a big deal in that by the time they bring the ball up and dribble in 1 spot for a bit looking things over they have around 8-10 seconds to make a 1 on 1 move or pass the ball for a 3. Seems like it’s player talent making their own moves more than coaching in the NBA over college. Look at the ball movement in UConn’s offense as an example. That is coaching heavy.
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Very good points. I would add if he doesn’t get general manager responsibilities for how he wants to construct the roster and what players to draft, that would be a drawback.
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That's the impression I got. It wasn't just the Lakers, it was what life would be like as a coach in the NBA and I think he didn't like what he saw. With that said, Hurley is so driven to succeed that you just never know . . .
Hurley is not mentioned in this just released Athletic article.
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New York Knicks head coaching candidates: Who should replace Tom Thibodeau? — The Athletic
When the New York Knicks fired Tom Thibodeau Tuesday, it came as another reminder of the harsh reality of life as an NBA head coach: Teams often decide that the head coach who got them there isn’t the one to get them to the end
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Supposedly the firing was Leon Rose's idea and Dolan okayed it.
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With Hurley's excitable demeanor on the sideline, I can not imagine how his pyche would last 82 games without burning out a fuse.
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If Carlisle coached the Knicks and Thibodeau coached the Pacers, the results would have been the same. Having better players make you a better coach
All of these things are true, Pacers are the better team and Carlisle is the better coach and I agree with the firing. Thibs definitely reached his ceiling and Malone is a WAY better coach. Also Jay Wright will never coach again, you can tell by listening to him and the fact that he left Villanova when he did and never took another job tells me that he just wants to enjoy life and his money. He’s older than he looks also. Smart guy.
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Although I agree with the change bc I believe the roster itself fits a more offensive minded coach. Not sure saying Thibs reached his ceiling is accurate with this current team considering the Knicks for the first time in 25 years made the conference finals & to say Malone is a way better Coach seems odd? Is it bc Malone won one NBA Title with the best player on the planet & then got fired less than 2 years later? Also, Malone was a train wreck in Sacramento. Thibodeau did very well with the Bulls & resurrected a Knicks franchise, which is even something Phil Jackson couldn’t accomplish. Thibs has been a head coach of three different franchises & made the playoffs 10 out of 12 years, which is super impressive. I don’t agree with that take & think it is super critical of Thibs.
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James Dolan had nothing to do with the firing besides signing off on Leon Rose’s request.
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