Tom Brady: 8th Championship Game in 12 seasons as a starter

[upstater]

Because everyone knows that the Pats aren't winning primarily because of TB. But if you take Peyton out of the equation at Denver then they are not even close to being on the same level that they are on right now.

That's where you are wrong about the Patriots and Brady. He carried that 5-11 team to 12-4 this year.

 

[Fishy]

MVP is for losers. Peyton has pretty much proven that out.

Even last year, when Brady had a much better season than Manning, people were touting Peyton for MVP.

Fanboy fantasy people who only care about individual stats.

Yeah, I know - was thinking that when earlier you were (erroneously) touting Brady's stats as being better than Mannings'.

 

[upstater]

Yeah, I know - was thinking that when earlier you were (erroneously) touting Brady's stats as being better than Mannings'.

Eh, what's the difference between 55 and 50. I don't really care. Some of those are converted to run TDs anyway. Manning has the #1 scoring offense in NFL history, whereas Brady is at #2 and #4 in history. (Your Vikings are #3). Randall Cunningham was up there in stats over Manning for a single season up until this year, if you ask me.

As for QB rating, Brady has a higher rating than Manning indoors, and a higher rating outdoors.

As for the MVP, no MVP other than Aaron Rodgers has won the award in a year when he won the SB in the first 13 years of this century. Brady won the MVP during two years in which he lost the SB. Manning has won it many times and lost in those same years.

 

[StoweD210]

Tough night for the Peyton Manning slurpers.

He's got that MVP award, though, which is nice.

 

[Scoe]

Russell Wilson is a young Brady with legs

 

[upstater]

Tough night for the Peyton Manning slurpers.

He's got that MVP award, though, which is nice.

There was no reason for him to throw the ball up for grabs when the Broncos were down 1 score. Not sure that it would have mattered at all given Denver's defense, but the Seahawks were saying that Denver quit after 30 minutes of football. You have to give your team a fighting chance. You simply can't throw the ball up because you're being pressured.

 

[Scoe]

Eh, what's the difference between 55 and 50. I don't really care. Some of those are converted to run TDs anyway. Manning has the #1 scoring offense in NFL history, whereas Brady is at #2 and #4 in history. (Your Vikings are #3). Randall Cunningham was up there in stats over Manning for a single season up until this year, if you ask me.

As for QB rating, Brady has a higher rating than Manning indoors, and a higher rating outdoors.

As for the MVP, no MVP other than Aaron Rodgers has won the award in a year when he won the SB in the first 13 years of this century. Brady won the MVP during two years in which he lost the SB. Manning has won it many times and lost in those same years.

Aaron Rodgers did not win the MVP the year he won the Super Bowl he won the MVP the year after when GB went 15-1 and lost to the Giants

 

[mauconnfan]

There was no reason for him to throw the ball up for grabs when the Broncos were down 1 score. Not sure that it would have mattered at all given Denver's defense, but the Seahawks were saying that Denver quit after 30 minutes of football. You have to give your team a fighting chance. You simply can't throw the ball up because you're being pressured.

C'mon upstater just because you like Brady it's no time to be picky about a blow out………he's better than Tom. Tom was banging Gisselle while Peyton was getting embarrassed….I am sure Peyton would like to have traded but unfortunately he was better in the championship of the AFC and had to play against the amped up Seahawks……..

 

[Scoe]

Brady would have gotten has ass kicked last night too btw, and the Pats got killed against the Broncos.

 

[upstater]

C'mon upstater just because you like Brady it's no time to be picky about a blow out………he's better than Tom. Tom was banging Gisselle while Peyton was getting embarrassed….I am sure Peyton would like to have traded but unfortunately he was better in the championship of the AFC and had to play against the amped up Seahawks……..

Guys like you will defend Peyton no matter how many times he throws big interceptions in big games. It happens OVER an OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER. I can keep on writing over, and I wouldn't even be exaggerating. Yes, he beat Rex Grossman in 2006. Good for him. But other than that, he's been a huge choker.

 

[mauconnfan]

Guys like you will defend Peyton no matter how many times he throws big interceptions in big games. It happens OVER an OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER. I can keep on writing over, and I wouldn't even be exaggerating. Yes, he beat Rex Grossman in 2006. Good for him. But other than that, he's been a huge choker.

I don't even like Peyton actually could give a crap……..but he was desperate in case you didn't notice……….huge choker huh? How did Tom do in his last 2 super bowls with some pressure in his face?

 

[upstater]

I don't even like Peyton actually could give a crap……..but he was desperate in case you didn't notice……….huge choker huh? How did Tom do in his last 2 super bowls?

How was he desperate? The Broncos were down by one score when he threw that horrible interception. He wasn't even hit, he was just panicked.

Brady lead his team 2nd half come from behind TDs to take the lead the last two times. He didn't win, but he didn't throw the big INT either. In the first, they scored a TD and took the lead with under a minute to go. In the second, he completed 17 straight passes to take the lead. Neither game was his finest performance, but it wasn't a total debacle either. The Giants were also much like the Seahawks in that they never let Brady step into his throws or gave him a clean pocket. I believe Brady may have been sacked about 4 times or so, but I forget. nonetheless, I never saw him lose his compsoure. And, he proved before those SBs that on the biggest stage, he could maintain his composure and lead the team to wins.

 

[Scoe]

I didn't care who won last night, i picked the Seahawks. Answer this question honestly would Brady have done any better last night, I understand he has those 3 superbowls to use as a shield when he comes up short. Brady gets rattled too ya know.

 

[upstater]

I didn't care who won last night, i picked the Seahawks. Answer this question honestly would Brady have done any better last night, I understand he has those 3 superbowls to use as a shield when he comes up short. Brady gets rattled too ya know.

The Giants got after Brady pretty hard too. Those 2 INTs sucked the soul out of the Broncos. Seahawks said they saw the Broncos quit. Do I think Brady does better? With Peyton's weapons, yes. Because he has more composure. With the Patriots weapons? They definitely lose, and lose badly but it's hard to say 43-8. That's the thing: it's about how you lose, how you win. It makes all the difference. And I don't use the SB wins as a shield. I love Dan Marino--I think he was great. But I've seen Peyton throw those big INTs again and again.

 

[Scoe]

The Giants got after Brady pretty hard too. Those 2 INTs sucked the soul out of the Broncos. Seahawks said they saw the Broncos quit. Do I think Brady does better? With Peyton's weapons, yes. Because he has more composure. With the Patriots weapons? They definitely lose, and lose badly but it's hard to say 43-8. That's the thing: it's about how you lose, how you win. It makes all the difference. And I don't use the SB wins as a shield. I love Dan Marino--I think he was great. But I've seen Peyton throw those big INTs again and again.

I can't disagree, that was going through my mind last night when the Giants won those 2 superbowls they were beating the hell out of Brady most notably the first Super Bowl, and he still gave them a chance to win. Don't think it was just Peyton their receivers got rattled as well, it was a collective team failure, but who's gonna get all the blame of course Peyton, its the nature of the beast, its the profession you chose to be an NFL qb being measured against the all time greats.

Im glad your not using the 3 superbowls as a shield, the media does tend to do that with Brady as well, and they do it with Jeter too ill admit that. I remember one postseason Jeter hit under .200 and Arod batting about .260-.270 and who do you think got the blame lol.

 

[UConn990411]

I don't even like Peyton actually could give a crap……..but he was desperate in case you didn't notice……….huge choker huh? How did Tom do in his last 2 super bowls with some pressure in his face?

Brady has been bad in the playoffs for awhile now, but that doesn't negate the fact that Peyton has been a mediocre playoff QB his entire career. The numbers and his sub-.500 postseason record make that indisputable.

Honestly, there was never much of an argument for Peyton over Brady, and last night really solidified that. At the very least, I hope the "Manning is the greatest QB ever" stuff finally comes to an end.

 

[upstater]

I can't disagree, that was going through my mind last night when the Giants won those 2 superbowls they were beating the hell out of Brady most notably the first Super Bowl, and he still gave them a chance to win. Don't think it was just Peyton their receivers got rattled as well, it was a collective team failure, but who's gonna get all the blame of course Peyton, its the nature of the beast, its the profession you chose to be an NFL qb being measured against the all time greats.

Im glad your not using the 3 superbowls as a shield, the media does tend to do that with Brady as well, and they do it with Jeter too ill admit that. I remember one postseason Jeter hit under .200 and Arod batting about .260-.270 and who do you think got the blame lol.

The main reason I defend Brady here or elsewhere is because places like the NFL Network still repeat things like, "It was the Pats D and Vinatieri" that won those games. But in a couple of those SBs, Brady put the team on his back. The defense cratered. In the Carolina game, he didn't even get MVP and the guy was lights out. But yeah, other than that, Marino went against an unbelievably good 49ers team, and they should have beaten the Patriots to take on the Bears again--but I can't hold all that against him. He didn't have the D.

 

[upstater]

Brady has been bad in the playoffs for awhile now, but that doesn't negate the fact that Peyton has been a mediocre playoff QB his entire career. The numbers and his sub-.500 postseason record make that indisputable.

Honestly, there was never much of an argument for Peyton over Brady, and last night really solidified that. At the very least, I hope the "Manning is the greatest QB ever" stuff finally comes to an end.

It depends on what you mean by bad in the playoffs. He's had 2 straight bad championship games in a row (one of which they've won), but he's also had a bunch of really good games before that in those same years. His last 2 Super Bowls haven't really been that bad. He lead his team to scores when he had the ball and put his team in front.

 

[mauconnfan]

Brady has been bad in the playoffs for awhile now, but that doesn't negate the fact that Peyton has been a mediocre playoff QB his entire career. The numbers and his sub-.500 postseason record make that indisputable.

Honestly, there was never much of an argument for Peyton over Brady, and last night really solidified that. At the very least, I hope the "Manning is the greatest QB ever" stuff finally comes to an end.

How could last night have solidified Peyton being better than Brady? Peyton was awful, looked in awe of the Seattle defense actually so I don't get it unless you actually believe brady has been better over his career than Peyton? Not too many other than Pats fans are that whacked……lol…….

 

[Scoe]

How could last night have solidified Peyton being better than Brady? Peyton was awful, looked in awe of the Seattle defense actually so I don't get it unless you actually believe brady has been better over his career than Peyton? Not too many other than Pats fans are that whacked……lol…….

Brady is a god Manning getting his ass kicked equals Brady winning I guess lol

 

[upstater]

How could last night have solidified Peyton being better than Brady? Peyton was awful, looked in awe of the Seattle defense actually so I don't get it unless you actually believe brady has been better over his career than Peyton? Not too many other than Pats fans are that whacked……lol…….

So, since Brady has a 18-8 playoff record, better QB rating outdoors and indoors, etc., what do you base your assessment on? Both Fishy and CAHUSKY have come on here and said, Manning is just better, without any reason or logic. So what's yours based on?

 

[mauconnfan]

I don't really care upstater and don't care for either of them to be honest. Not a stats guy, could care less about indoors /outdoors because obviously until this year brady has had much better teams with much better defenses.

You guys win, Brady's better I'm not an expert to argue this one. Just obvious to me unless you're a fan of the Pats who is better from years of watching football. Who was better 2 weeks ago? Brady would've crapped himself yesterday too, he did against the Giants!

 

[UConn990411]

I don't really care upstater and don't care for either of them to be honest. Not a stats guy, could care less about indoors /outdoors because obviously until this year brady has had much better teams with much better defenses.

You guys win, Brady's better I'm not an expert to argue this one. Just obvious to me unless you're a fan of the Pats who is better from years of watching football. Who was better 2 weeks ago? Brady would've crapped himself yesterday too, he did against the Giants!

Actually, the notion that Brady has had significantly better defenses throughout his career is a myth.

The knock against Peyton isn't just his abysmal playoff record - it's that he's been largely responsible for his teams consistently underperforming. The guy has never been a good playoff performer, which should eliminate him from any GOAT discussion.

 

[upstater]

I don't really care upstater and don't care for either of them to be honest. Not a stats guy, could care less about indoors /outdoors because obviously until this year brady has had much better teams with much better defenses.

You guys win, Brady's better I'm not an expert to argue this one. Just obvious to me unless you're a fan of the Pats who is better from years of watching football. Who was better 2 weeks ago? Brady would've crapped himself yesterday too, he did against the Giants!

People always downgrade Brady because of the much better defenses, but they do that because they love to hate the Patriots. While Brady and the offense put up 500 yards and 350+ passing yards against the NFL's top defense in the 2004 SB, the Patriots defense was crapping the bed by giving up 29 points in 30 minutes. Vinatieri's 2 missed chip shot field goals didn't help either. And yet somehow Brady was a game manager! Absurd.

Meanwhile, Manning's 2006 Colts had the #1 defense in the NFL. In the playoffs, Manning threw 3 interceptions against the Chiefs, but the Colts defense got 3 turnovers, 4 sacks, and they didn't even give up a single first down for 3 quarters in their 23-8 victory. The next week against the Ravens, Peyton Manning threw another 2 interceptions and no TDs. Vinatieri kicked 5 field goals. The Colts defense got 4 turnovers (2 fumbles, 2 INTs) from the Ravens as the Colts won 15-6.

In the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning threw 1 INT and 1 TD. The Colts defense, however, got 3 fumble recoveries and 2 interceptions off Rex Grossman. The Colts D gave up 10 points the entire game.

So, in those 3 games, the Colts defense gave up a total of 24 points, got 12 turnovers. Meanwhile, Manning threw 6 interceptions and 2 TDs, and he had a sub 50 passer rating.

Yet somehow Brady is the one who needed the defense to win, even though he put up top 5 Super Bowl performance.

I'd say you're a victim of media hype.

 

[G0UCONN]

Brady is one of the top QBs to ever play. Sure-fire HOFer. Great player. No dispute.

I think Peyton Manning is better. May be greatest ever to play.

Not sure how that somehow becomes an insult to Brady.

 

[mauconnfan]

People always downgrade Brady because of the much better defenses, but they do that because they love to hate the Patriots. While Brady and the offense put up 500 yards and 350+ passing yards against the NFL's top defense in the 2004 SB, the Patriots defense was crapping the bed by giving up 29 points in 30 minutes. Vinatieri's 2 missed chip shot field goals didn't help either. And yet somehow Brady was a game manager! Absurd.

Meanwhile, Manning's 2006 Colts had the #1 defense in the NFL. In the playoffs, Manning threw 3 interceptions against the Chiefs, but the Colts defense got 3 turnovers, 4 sacks, and they didn't even give up a single first down for 3 quarters in their 23-8 victory. The next week against the Ravens, Peyton Manning threw another 2 interceptions and no TDs. Vinatieri kicked 5 field goals. The Colts defense got 4 turnovers (2 fumbles, 2 INTs) from the Ravens as the Colts won 15-6.

In the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning threw 1 INT and 1 TD. The Colts defense, however, got 3 fumble recoveries and 2 interceptions off Rex Grossman. The Colts D gave up 10 points the entire game.

So, in those 3 games, the Colts defense gave up a total of 24 points, got 12 turnovers. Meanwhile, Manning threw 6 interceptions and 2 TDs, and he had a sub 50 passer rating.

Yet somehow Brady is the one who needed the defense to win, even though he put up top 5 Super Bowl performance.

I'd say you're a victim of media hype.

All good if you think so………again good for you guys, you have one of the best and THE BEST I guess if you're a Patriot fan. While I might be a victim of media hype I think if you listen to most of the ex-players and the prognosticators the higher % of them are also falling for that…….LOL………is it possible you're a victim of being a fan? Nothing wrong with that we've all done it……...

 

[upstater]

All good if you think so………again good for you guys, you have one of the best and THE BEST I guess if you're a Patriot fan. While I might be a victim of media hype I think if you listen to most of the ex-players and the prognosticators the higher % of them are also falling for that…….LOL………is it possible you're a victim of being a fan? Nothing wrong with that we've all done it……...

Possible. I just don't understand the basis of what the media hype is putting out there. People also don't like to look stupid for comparing a 6th rounder to the #1 pick in the draft, so there's that. But, I did post a link here where 7 out 8 team scouts take Brady.

I tend to think people hate the Patriots so that works against Tom Brady, and I can understand that because I hated the 1990s Cowboys.

 

[upstater]

Brady is one of the top QBs to ever play. Sure-fire HOFer. Great player. No dispute.

I think Peyton Manning is better. May be greatest ever to play.

Not sure how that somehow becomes an insult to Brady.

I didn't read anyone here say that's an insult to Brady, but I think people insult Brady when they say he's a system QB, or game manager, or even that (in this Peyton - Brady discussion) he won with defense while Peyton did it alone. The reality is totally different. It was Brady that won 2 of them with offense. Peyton's the one that won his with defense. The reality is 100% the opposite of what I hear from the talking heads.

 

[upstater]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...rbacks-he-has-seen-b99195610z1-243155121.html

 

[G0UCONN]

I didn't read anyone here say that's an insult to Brady, but I think people insult Brady when they say he's a system QB, or game manager, or even that (in this Peyton - Brady discussion) he won with defense while Peyton did it alone. The reality is totally different. It was Brady that won 2 of them with offense. Peyton's the one that won his with defense. The reality is 100% the opposite of what I hear from the talking heads.

Brady may have been a game manager for most of his first season and their first SB win but since that point, he has become far far more. One of greatest QBs and passers to ever play. Good comparison to me with Brady is Joe Montana in terms of his skills etc.

May be not you but I am puzzled by the hate of Peyton Manning I see and hear from NE fans...I don't get it. Guy is off-the-charts great, a class act, etc. Impossible not to like as a player/athlete IMO. Yet NE fans hate him like he banged their puppy without KY or something....