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To all those predicting our demise.

There is a general malaise in CT right now.

The UConn budget, the football team, the conference, the state budget, the lack of growth of the state population, the state economy, etc. All of this has added up to a very sour feeling deep down inside of most of us. Believe me, I feel it too. And that general malaise is finding its way onto this message board and into our sports venues (or more to the point, NOT into our sports venues).

We just need something good to break for us. This is the same thing that I've said on the football board. Just get some good feelings going again. A win against Syracuse would certainly start those good feelings, and if we can sustain those good feelings, the board will begin to feel like a very different place. The sports venues will start to feel like different places. The evidence was this past weekend with the two games at the XL center.

Whether or not you feel Ollie is the right guy for us (I do), try to fight off the malaise. Try to fight off the urge to say, "to hell with it!" Continue to support the team and continue to let the athletes know that Husky Nation still has their backs...
 
huskyinfl said:
Wait, losing by 40 isn't a bad loss?
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Many believe that a bad loss means losing to a bad team. Many don't care how much you win or lose by. Tell me the last time someone said with reference to two NBA teams, sure, team X had 50 wins and team Y only had 45, but look how much better team Y's margins of victories are.

I understand that margin of victory/defeat is useful for determining how good or bad a team is and how it might do in the future, but ultimately you win or you lose. The rest just fills time on talk radio.
 
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PAHusky said:
The overreactions on both sides are hilarious, but I'm pretty tired of this 'if you're criticizing KO you're not supporting the team and you're not a real fan" schtick. Any lunatic willing to repeatedly visit this site to post things is clearly a UConn fan. The people on this board calling for KO's head aren't going to the game and booing UConn players or throwing batteries at the end of the bench. Let's chill out with calling out fans for being negative by saying they don't support the school or team.
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What's lame is after every loss, heck every close win, it seems people are calling for KO's head. It's tiresome. We gotta do this the whole season? I'd love a voluntary moratorium on that, though I know many aren't interested. One guy looks unhappy -> KO's lost the team; he's gotta go.

I mean, at BEST, it does nothing, at worst it hurts fan perception with all the lurkers who read this place. At minimum it's annoying .
 
businesslawyer said:
Many believe that a bad loss means losing to a bad team. Many don't care how much you win or lose by. Tell me the last time someone said with reference to two NBA teams, sure, team X had 50 wins and team Y only had 45, but look how much better team Y's margins of victories are.

I understand that margin of victory/defeat is useful for determining how good or bad a team is and how it might do in the future, but ultimately you win or you lose. The rest just fills time on talk radio.
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I'm in no way being sarcastic but I would say NBA wise the Golden State warriors vs Jordan's bulls for the win record comparing team a vs b and margin and styles of wins.
 
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First, I'm pessimistic about this season, moreso than last year. So you don't need to tell me about dissatisfaction.

But for the Fire Ollie people, let me ask you: what are you trying to accomplish?

Ollie's buyout is astronomical, the school's budget is being scalped by the state. He isn't going anywhere.

So what do you hope to accomplish?
 
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businesslawyer said:
Let me translate -- nothing has changed since the first season he didn't win a National Championship. Seems sillier that way, doesn't it?
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How long is that and that alone supposed to keep someone employed? Its not like he climbed a hill to get there - he started at the top and then fell right off
 
i agree big picture with this post for the most part, especially with the need to support OUR guys. The attendence the last 2 games has been shameful.
i've been going to games since 1978 and even then we sere selling out the field house...... This was long before we even had a dream of
avoiding the 8/9 game at the big east championship ......The guys behind me Saturday were totally negative from the opening tip......i'm
sure that was none of you guys, but there's a ton negativity on this board.....thats fine, there's plenty to be upset about, but this is OUR team and
they need our support! lets try to get 8,000 Saturday - that sounds absurd doesn't it?
 
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upstater said:
First, I'm pessimistic about this season, moreso than last year. So you don't need to tell me about dissatisfaction.

But for the Fire Ollie people, let me ask you: what are you trying to accomplish?

Ollie's buyout is astronomical, the school's budget is being scaped by the state. He is going nowhere.

So what do you hope to accomplish?
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I've been resigned to apahty ever since I saw the true buyout numbers. There's not much use complaining anymore.
 
JMick said:
How long is that and that alone supposed to keep someone employed? Its not like he climbed a hill to get there - he started at the top and then fell right off
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I don't know. I do know it's supposed to last long enough that saying he hasn't fixed anything since the first season he didn't win a championship is pretty silly.
 
August_West said:
It’s over the top knee jerk reactionism which at minimum should be reserved for end of this season.
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It would be cool if you didn't try to tell people what they should and shouldn't be talking about on a random message board, and when and when not they should be talking about it. The reactionary sensationalism after losses is annoying, but it's just as annoying when one, for instance, one article comes out with Bazz talking about how much he learned under KO and his supporters are battering his detractors with that for days.

I don't think I've seen any KO detractors say they're going to stop going to every game. If a recruit is reading this board and is dissuaded from attending UConn because of a couple of lunatics posting anti-KO things, I'm not sure if that says more about the BY or the recruit. If you're really bothered by the same posters posting negative things over and over, put them on ignore or just laugh it off. Would be more productive than whatever it is this initial post hoped to accomplish.
 
businesslawyer said:
I don't know. I do know it's supposed to last long enough that saying he hasn't fixed anything since the first season he didn't win a championship is pretty silly.
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I don't see how that's silly. Plot a graph of W/L and get back to me.
 
You wanna know why people are complaining about Ollie? Because Syracuse is going to turn us inside out tomorrow. When you go to overtime against mid majors at home twice in a row, it tends to say a lot about where the team is.
 
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JMick said:
How long is that and that alone supposed to keep someone employed? Its not like he climbed a hill to get there - he started at the top and then fell right off
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It certainly shouldn't buy an indefinite amount of time. Right now, and for a few seasons now, this team looks pretty unskilled and clearly lacks talent. We will see what happens when conference play starts, but it is hard to be optimistic with what we are seeing right now. My only desire at this point is for him to be engaged in things and for the team to play hard. If that doesn't happen, then you know a change has to happen. If it does, then they may grind out enough wins to get things in the right direction.
 
August_West said:
We won a tourney game and acc title in 16 too
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So this is KO's record:

1. Comes in to take over a short handed team with no expectations at the last minute, facing a post-season ban, and keeps them in the last Big East title race all year long somehow.

2. Wins national championship. While folks are complaining about regular season losses.

3. Has letdown/rebuilding year after national championship. Like we had even under the great one in years like '10 and '12. Terrible year but hardly shocking or problematic.

4. Has perfectly acceptable year, with conference tournament championship and getting to round of 32 in Tourney.

5. Has terrible year where we lose 3 players -- potentially 2 of our best 3 players -- for basically entire season, and have to fight through other injuries and illnesses with a roster of 7 and a half players, 3.5 of whom could only handle the ball in the paint. Yes, we got off to an unprecedently bad start before the injuries hit -- blame KO for a bad November.

6. Are 6-2, which is where we expected to be before knowing the injuries we'd be fighting through.

If you lay that out as a record, and looked at someone elses's coach doing that, you would think people calling for his head are just dumb. So why would that not be the analysis here?
 
Huskyforlife said:
You wanna know why people are complaining about Ollie? Because Syracuse is going to turn us inside out tomorrow. When you go to overtime against mid majors at home twice in a row, it tends to say a lot about where the team is.
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You complain about things before they happen? Your life partner is going to love that.

I'll be at the game. I'll get home around 3:00 in the morning. If they don't make it worth my time, I'll be pissed. But I won't be pissed before it happens.
 
PAHusky said:
It would be cool if you didn't try to tell people what they should and shouldn't be talking about on a random message board, and when and when not they should be talking about it. The reactionary sensationalism after losses is annoying, but it's just as annoying when one, for instance, one article comes out with Bazz talking about how much he learned under KO and his supporters are battering his detractors with that for days.

I don't think I've seen any KO detractors say they're going to stop going to every game. If a recruit is reading this board and is dissuaded from attending UConn because of a couple of lunatics posting anti-KO things, I'm not sure if that says more about the BY or the recruit. If you're really bothered by the same posters posting negative things over and over, put them on ignore or just laugh it off. Would be more productive than whatever it is this initial post hoped to accomplish.
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If I were a recruit, and the fans were clamoring for another coach, I'd ask myself what happens to my career when the coach leaves and this AAC school hires the equivalent of Jim Christian?

These are serious questions for any young recruit looking at UConn, and if kids understand that the fanbase wants the coach gone, then of course it is going to have an impact. It would certainly have an impact on me.

In fact, this is the #1 reason for canning Ollie, moreso than his coaching. If the recruiting pipeline dries up, then you are DONE. It happened to Thad Matta at Ohio State and to creepy guy at Indiana.
 
businesslawyer said:
You complain about things before they happen? Your life partner is going to love that.

I'll be at the game. I'll get home around 3:00 in the morning. If they don't make it worth my time, I'll be pissed. But I won't be pissed before it happens.
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Absolutely right. The same thing was said last year--and though I am not saying they are going to win, I will say, "The same thing was said last year."
 
upstater said:
If I were a recruit, and the fans were clamoring for another coach, I'd ask myself what happens to my career when the coach leaves and this AAC school hires the equivalent of Jim Christian?

These are serious questions for any young recruit looking at UConn, and if kids understand that the fanbase wants the coach gone, then of course it is going to have an impact. It would certainly have an impact on me.

In fact, this is the #1 reason for canning Ollie, moreso than his coaching. If the recruiting pipeline dries up, then you are DONE. It happened to Thad Matta at Ohio State and to creepy guy at Indiana.
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And that, along with the buyout, is the reason to be patient. This has not, primarily, been a recruiting issue. Our class that entered a year ago was great on paper. This falls class would have been fine if someone who committed to us early and took us out of the running for other candidates didn't bail at the last minute. We had a top 2 or 3 center recruit blow up his life after verballing to us, and a potential lottery pick tell us privately he'd come and then back out of Kentucky.

There is plenty to criticize KO for. Even if you weren't dealing the the impossibility of satisfying folks when you replace Jim Calhoun. But one should be more worried about whether he'll ever be a good x and o's guy than whether he can be a good recruiter.
 
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