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elzorrogris said:
Has it occurred to any of you that Tiffany might have been doing exactly what Geno told her to do; take it inside every chance you get and see if you can't maybe draw a foul or two on the Big O's? Driving is what she does best, and she is our best driver. You did not see Geno yelling at her or telling her to change her play, did you? And taking it inside against the trees is not the world's easiest assignment; they can make you look pretty foolish occasionally.
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Add to that she played 35 minute,s second most on the team, 12 minutes more than kelly who it seems played the perfect game
 
ChrisSmith said:
No, I think she got those rebounds and assists because is an excellent athlete and has a lot of heart, plays under a well coached offense, and with talented teammates.

What is Hayes career 3 point percentage?
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WOW! WOW! I wish that it was possible to not comment about remarks such as these. Here, yet again, is a remark made about a player making plays on sheer athletic ability.
Supposedly, UConn only recruits smart players. Did they miss on this one?

BTW: Coming into the season, Tiffany Hayes had a career three point shooting percentage of .347.
 
UConnCat said:
Last year Tiff made the same number of 3s as Maya (134) and hit at a slightly lower % than Maya (38% vs 35%). Bria shot the best % at ~39%.
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Maya and Tiffany converted the same number of free throws(134) last year, but Maya made 68 threes to Tiffany's 51.
 
VAUConnFan said:
Maya and Tiffany converted the same number of free throws(134) last year, but Maya made 68 threes to Tiffany's 51.
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Wow. Not sure why the 134 number didn't hit me as a ridiculous number of 3s that no one would make in a season. Still tired from last night. I think I got the %s correct.

BTW, Maya was a better 3-pt shooter than Tiff but it's not like Tiff was awful either.
 
elzorrogris said:
13 boards and 8 assists obviously don't please you guys. I guess if she DID have some refinement and basketball IQ, she would have made more of her open threes. Sheesh!
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13 rebounds yes, 6 assist... not 8. Granted it only has her listed as having 1 turnover.... but she was 3-15 from the floor, 2-5 from the line. I am not pleased with the circus shots she took, the ones that had no chance in hell of going in, the ones that were out of control.... and many of those shoots resulted in Stanford rebounding the ball and having possessions so in a way it was a turnover, but it is not recorded.. if I were to go back and watch the game again I bet there would be at least 5-8 shots that were rushed/forced and she could have added to her assist if she took the time to play the game of basketball UCONN's way...
 
VAUConnFan said:
WOW! WOW! I wish that it was possible to not comment about remarks such as these. Here, yet again, is a remark made about a player making plays on sheer athletic ability.
Supposedly, UConn only recruits smart players. Did they miss on this one?

BTW: Coming into the season, Tiffany Hayes had a career three point shooting percentage of .347.
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First, I did not say she made plays on sheer athletic ability. I explicitly mentioned athletic ability AND heart. On top of that, my list was not intended to be exhaustive.

Second, what makes you think UConn only recruits smart players? I doubt that is true. I'm sure it is a factor, but there are other factors as well. Maybe Geno did miss on this one; I think Hayes is on lower end of being basketball intelligence as far as the team goes.

Thirdly, is .347% good? I imagine it is lower than Moore, Hartley, KML, and number of other UConn sharp shooters.
 
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ChrisSmith said:
First, I did not say she made plays on sheer athletic ability. I explicitly mentioned athletic ability AND heart. On top of that, my list was not intended to be exhaustive.

Second, what makes you think UConn only recruits smart players? I doubt that is true. I'm sure it is a factor, but there are other factors as well. Maybe Geno did miss on this one; I think Hayes is on lower end of being basketball intelligence as far as the team goes.

Thirdly, is .347% good? I imagine it is lower than Moore, Hartley, KML, and number of other UConn sharp shooters.
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My point about .347 is that Caroline is at .348. In yesterday's game, Tiffany was 3-15, Caroline was 2-10. Yet, Tiffany is receiving heaps of criticism, while praise is heaped upon Caroline.

Why are you so intent upon harping upon Tiffany Hayes' perceived lack of basketball intelligence? Whether you stated that Tiffany made plays with athletic ability and heart is of little concern. The fact is you specifically ruled out intelligence.

For all we know, there may have been a game plan in place for Tiffany to try to take it to the hole early, similar to the strategy Baylor employed in the first few possessions against Notre Dame before bringing Syms into the game.
 
VAUConnFan said:
My point about .347 is that Caroline is at .348. In yesterday's game, Tiffany was 3-15, Caroline was 2-10. Yet, Tiffany is receiving heaps of criticism, while praise is heaped upon Caroline.

Why are you so intent upon harping upon Tiffany Hayes' perceived lack of basketball intelligence? Whether you stated that Tiffany made plays with athletic ability and heart is of little concern. The fact is you specifically ruled out intelligence.

For all we know, there may have been a game plan in place for Tiffany to try to take it to the hole early, similar to the strategy Baylor employed in the first few possessions against Notre Dame before bringing Syms into the game.
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I have not mentioned Doty, let alone praised her. KML and Hartley won that game for UConn. What was remarkable to me was that I thought out of the 8 that played, only 3 players stepped up - KML, Hartley, and Stokes (given Stokes' role on the team).

I'm singling out Hayes because she is a senior, so one might expect her to be one of the better decision makers on the team. Instead, she makes some of the worst decisions.

And I think Tiffany should take it the hole. But I also think she should do so under control. If not, pull it out. And I don't think the game plan was for her take 7 three pointers.
 
The game was won by the defense. Steals, blocks and also rebounds. It was a team effort. On offense Bria and KML carried the team last night. As the season progresses we will see others step up. Last night much like the NC game a couple of years ago when Tina and Maya and the rest couldnt throw the ball in the ocean, we managed to have Maya and Caroline step up and the team got on track.
Games are won and lost by the team not by one player. Tiff and many others had an off shooting night and UConn won. There will be nights when KML and Bria have off nights and the team will win. Accept it and lets move on. Dwelling on mistakes of the past only make you play worse. Repeating and repeating negitives dont help you improve. Lets hope Tiff can put this behind her and move forward. Why are fans picking on Tiffany because their feeling is in big games she disappears. She didnt disappear last night. She filled the stat sheet with everything but points. Accept it. She will learn and improve from this. One thing big games early on do and that is amplify your weaknesses. This game did that and as a team we need to overcome our shooting woahs.
 
ChrisSmith said:
I have not mentioned Doty, let alone praised her. KML and Hartley won that game for UConn. What was remarkable to me was that I thought out of the 8 that played, only 3 players stepped up - KML, Hartley, and Stokes (given Stokes' role on the team).

I'm singling out Hayes because she is a senior, so one might expect her to be one of the better decision makers on the team. Instead, she makes some of the worst decisions.

And I think Tiffany should take it the hole. But I also think she should do so under control. If not, pull it out. And I don't think the game plan was for her take 7 three pointers.
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You are downplaying or completely ignoring her 13 rebounds and 6 (should have been 8 with 2 missed layups) and only 1 turnover. I watched the game again this morning specifically watching hayes and she only made a couple of bad decisions. Moves to the basket that she usually finishes on are not bad decisions. And while she did have one ugly 3, it actually was wide open and a good decision.
 
doggydaddy said:
You are downplaying or completely ignoring her 13 rebounds and 6 (should have been 8 with 2 missed layups) and only 1 turnover. I watched the game again this morning specifically watching hayes and she only made a couple of bad decisions. Moves to the basket that she usually finishes on are not bad decisions. And while she did have one ugly 3, it actually was wide open and a good decision.
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I'm not downplaying that. I think she did a great job distributing, rebounding, and on defense. I thought she made awful decisions when shooting. On the whole, I think she played fine. I don't think Hayes playing fine will be enough to beat Baylor.

This isn't the first game I've questioned Hayes decision making. But I really have nothing else to add at this point. We can monitor as the season progresses. I like Hayes and hope she proves me wrong.
 
ChrisSmith said:
I'm not downplaying that. I think she did a great job distributing, rebounding, and on defense. I thought she made awful decisions when shooting. On the whole, I think she played fine. I don't think Hayes playing fine will be enough to beat Baylor.

This isn't the first game I've questioned Hayes decision making. But I really have nothing else to add at this point. We can monitor as the season progresses. I like Hayes and hope she proves me wrong.
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Well, as they we agree to disagree. As I said, I watched the game again and we have a difference of opinion on what is a good/bad shot,
 
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I much more enjoyed seeing Kaleena hoist Tiffany with an exhuberant and celebratory hug as the clock ran down at the end of a big victory over a highly ranked opponent than I do reading some of these unwarranted criticisms of a fine player. I stand my ground on my earlier post about Tiffany.
 
The errors I saw in a couple of Tiff's shot was not that the shot was bad but that two were much too early in the shot clock. Nothing big but could have been better. Both times rebounders were badly out of position.
 
Tonyc said:
The game was won by the defense. Steals, blocks and also rebounds. It was a team effort. On offense Bria and KML carried the team last night. As the season progresses we will see others step up. Last night much like the NC game a couple of years ago when Tina and Maya and the rest couldnt throw the ball in the ocean, we managed to have Maya and Caroline step up and the team got on track.
Games are won and lost by the team not by one player. Tiff and many others had an off shooting night and UConn won. There will be nights when KML and Bria have off nights and the team will win. Accept it and lets move on. Dwelling on mistakes of the past only make you play worse. Repeating and repeating negitives dont help you improve. Lets hope Tiff can put this behind her and move forward. Why are fans picking on Tiffany because their feeling is in big games she disappears. She didnt disappear last night. She filled the stat sheet with everything but points. Accept it. She will learn and improve from this. One thing big games early on do and that is amplify your weaknesses. This game did that and as a team we need to overcome our shooting woahs.
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Tony, I have made a habit of conceding to and enjoying your ever abundant optimism. However, I will challenge you on points of fact. In this case, it might just be a matter of points of view. It just seems that our recollections of the 2010 national championship game differ.
 
At one point last night the box score showed her to have 8 assists. They either took two away, or that was in error. According to the running box score I was watching , with about five minutes to go it looked like she might get a triple double.
 
elzorrogris said:
At one point last night the box score showed her to have 8 assists. They either took two away, or that was in error. According to the running box score I was watching , with about five minutes to go it looked like she might get a triple double.
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Yes, it did.
 
ChrisSmith said:
First, I did not say she made plays on sheer athletic ability. I explicitly mentioned athletic ability AND heart. On top of that, my list was not intended to be exhaustive.

Second, what makes you think UConn only recruits smart players? I doubt that is true. I'm sure it is a factor, but there are other factors as well. Maybe Geno did miss on this one; I think Hayes is on lower end of being basketball intelligence as far as the team goes.

Thirdly, is .347% good? I imagine it is lower than Moore, Hartley, KML, and number of other UConn sharp shooters.
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I personally don't believe that this board is the place to suggest that "Hayes is on lower end of being basketball intelligence." (I assume that you really meant to say "of being basketball intelligent". Am I right?)

If you feel the need to express such negative opinions, why don't you use the PM option?

You do realize, I hope, that both our current players and our prospective recruits and their parents follow the BY, right?

Oh, BTW, and to be fair, would you care provide a few bonefides to your "basketball intelligence?"

Lastly, if you feel a need to react to any of my replies, please do so via PM, okay?

This thread really should be closed.

Just my IMHO, of course.

Peace,

John Fryer
 
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I think discussing basketball IQ is totally reasonable.

I don't know what I'd consider Tiffany, other than "out of control on the offensive end" ..but one of the best defenders Uconn has ever had.
 
John Fryer said:
I personally don't believe that this board is the place to suggest that "Hayes is on lower end of being basketball intelligence." (I assume that you really meant to say "of being basketball intelligent". Am I right?)

If you feel the need to express such negative opinions, why don't you use the PM option?

You do realize, I hope, that both our current players and our prospective recruits and their parents follow the BY, right?

Oh, BTW, and to be fair, would you care provide a few bonefides to your "basketball intelligence?"

Lastly, if you feel a need to react to any of my replies, please do so via PM, okay?

This thread really should be closed.

Just my IMHO, of course.

Peace,

John Fryer
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There are a lot of reasons why I expressed a negative opinion. 1) This is a discussion board; I think respectful criticism is appropriate in addition to praise. 2) I feel I have been respectful, and balanced. I haven't bad mouthed Tiffany generally, just one aspect (I praised a number of other aspects of her game), and I haven't used language that is remotely rude. 3) When you accept a scholarship to play college sports, you should realize you are subjecting yourself to scrutiny. Fans are paying for your education, so you should probably expect fans to act like fans and discuss the good and the bad. If you decide to attend a major program like UConn, you should be even more prepared to be scrutinized.

I do realize she, her family, or recruits could read my comments. I've been respectful and offered praise as well. If recruits can't handle that, then I imagine they can't handle playing for Geno or playing for a prime time women's college basketball team.

And I think your question about my bonefides is a stupid question, and sadly one often used by people as part of message board discussions. I doubt any of us on the board are D1 or NBA coaches. I played basketball for a number of years, I've watched basketball for a number of years, and I'm a relatively intelligent human being. I'm pretty sure that qualifies me to post on a message board.

I think your desire to have the thread locked is overly sensitive. No one has been impolite or rude. The discussion has been civil and focused on on-the-court performance.
 
With Thanksgiving two days away, it would take too much time and energy trying to explain the implications of your criticisms as it pertains to intelligence and the perceived lack thereof. However, I will send a personal message some time within the next two weeks.
 
VAUConnFan said:
With Thanksgiving two days away, it would take too much time and energy trying to explain the implications of your criticisms as it pertains to intelligence and the perceived lack thereof. However, I will send a personal message some time within the next two weeks.
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I'm not really sure what you're implying. I'm referring to basketball IQ, not general intelligence whatsoever. You could be a Rhodes Scholar but not have a good basketball IQ.
 
ChrisSmith said:
I'm not really sure what you're implying. I'm referring to basketball IQ, not general intelligence whatsoever. You could be a Rhodes Scholar but not have a good basketball IQ.
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how's your basketball IQ?
 
DaddyChoc said:
how's your basketball IQ?
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I'd like to think high. Maybe some of you think it's low. But then again maybe some of you just feel the need to protect Hayes.

Not sure why some of you feel the need to attack posters who disagree with you. I've criticized one aspect of Tiffany's game, and I've done so in a respectful manner. I would think an appropriate response would be to discuss her game, not me.
 
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ChrisSmith said:
I do realize she, her family, or recruits could read my comments. I've been respectful and offered praise as well. If recruits can't handle that, then I imagine they can't handle playing for Geno you're NOT Geno or playing for a prime time women's college basketball team.

And I think your question about my bonefides is a stupid question, and sadly one often used by people as part of message board discussions. I doubt any of us on the board are D1 or NBA coaches. I played basketball for a number of years, I've watched basketball for a number of years, and I'm a relatively intelligent human being. I'm pretty sure that qualifies me to post on a message board. which makes it worse since you know the game and players DO have off night... so Im curious to why you're sooooo shocked. Ray, Rip, Jordan, Kobe have all shot bad, you do know that right?
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I know I'm not Geno. That's why I said "I imagine". This is a message board, people discuss things, they don't actually coach the team.

I'm not shocked. I do realize players have an off night. I think Hayes' off night was just an amplification of a constant weakness in her game. Compared to other UConn players, she drives out of control at times, she turns the ball over a high amount, and she shoots a lot of three pointers.
 
ChrisSmith said:
I'd like to think high. Maybe some of you think it's low. But then again maybe some of you just feel the need to protect Hayes.

Not sure why some of you feel the need to attack posters who disagree with you. I've criticized one aspect of Tiffany's game, and I've done so in a respectful manner. I would think an appropriate response would be to discuss her game, not me.
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we saw the boxscore... we've seen worse from Tiff. We understand her and many think you're beating a dead horse. UConn won the game... period! What about Dolson, Faris or Doty (not that I want to hear you critize them too) they didnt do all that great BUT everyone including Tiff did enough to pull out the VICTORY.
 
ChrisSmith said:
I know I'm not Geno. That's why I said "I imagine". This is a message board, people discuss things, they don't actually coach the team.

I'm not shocked. I do realize players have an off night. I think Hayes' off night was just an amplification of a constant weakness in her game. Compared to other UConn players, she drives out of control at times, she turns the ball over a high amount, and she shoots a lot of three pointers.
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how many turnovers did she have... and dont come with that "circus shot is just like a turnover" bologna
 
DaddyChoc said:
we saw the boxscore... we've seen worse from Tiff. We understand her and many think you're beating a dead horse. UConn won the game... period! What about Dolson, Faris or Doty (not that I want to hear you critize them too) they didnt do all that great BUT everyone including Tiff did enough to pull out the VICTORY.
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This is a thread titled "Tiffany Hayes". That is why I am discussing Tiffany Hayes. If you would like to start a thread on any of the players feel free. Unfortunately, Tiffany is a senior and she still appears to have the same wild streak she has had for 3 years. That's probably why there are 5 pages on this thread, and not for the others.
 
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