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freescooter said:
The problem isn't the basketball schools per se, it is exactly what FCF has outline. the league is too big, has too many diverse viewpoints and what is in the best interest of the football side is not in the best interest of basketball and vise versa. The ability to move quickly and decisivly is also crucial. The Big East has known for several years that it needed to add football members. But it couldn't do it.
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We added the defending Rose Bowl champions. A top 25 ranked team in a new market for us.

It didn't help at all.

Who would have joined if we had just been able to move a little quicker?
 
WingU-Conn said:
We added the defending Rose Bowl champions. A top 25 ranked team in a new market for us.

It didn't help at all.

Who would have joined if we had just been able to move a little quicker?
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They didn't even have time to get here before it all went down. We shouldn't have been playing with 8 teams for the last however many years. That is the problem.
 
The B12 is still talking about TAMU as a done deal to the SEC nd Missouri stays.

There are plans to approach BYU for #10.

If BYU accepts they will approach WVU and Lousville for #11 and #12.

If BYU declines they will approach WVU for #10. If Missouri stays there is the thought the SEC looks at WVU again.

They won't add TCU or SMU or consider any non-BCS teams (except BYU). Anywya, those are the rumors. There si the feeling that a win is needed to assuage egos and heal the bad feelings.
 
RS9999X said:
The B12 is still talking about TAMU as a done deal to the SEC nd Missouri stays.

There are plans to approach BYU for #10.

If BYU accepts they will approach WVU and Lousville for #11 and #12.

If BYU declines they will approach WVU for #10. If Missouri stays there is the thought the SEC looks at WVU again.

They won't add TCU or SMU or consider any non-BCS teams (except BYU). Anywya, those are the rumors. There si the feeling that a win is needed to assuage egos and heal the bad feelings.
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That would be a nightmare. The Big 12 would be on solid footing and the Big East would pretty much be done. If we lose WVU, and Louisville I don't see how we recover. I guess we wouldn't have a choice but to try but damn that would be bad. UConn, Rutgers, Cinci, and USF are not the core of a BCS football conference anyway you slice it. I can definitely see this happening though and have a really bad feeling about the consequences of the Big 12 surviving.
 
Missouri stays? They have an offer from the SEC--they are going to take it. No way they don't.
 
Big East Football was always a kluge. Always will be. It's the 5th wheel, the best of the rest. THE BEAST. Frankenstein's monster.

Trying to make it a regional with UMass, and Temple, and Navy, and Nova and Buffalo? No. I'll take Nova, ECU, UCF and stop at 10 for now. If WVU leaves it gets ugly. Add Boise is the only real option for BCS purposes and then add Nova, ECU, UCF. If Louisville and WVU leave? Then why pretend? UConn and Rutgers are the only two remnants left. There's no identity there.
 
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huskyrob1 said:
Boy you are blind. TCU was a bone Marinatto threw to the FB schools. Why was Notre Dame, one of the most storied football programs in history invited into the Big East? Certainly not to play football, but Tranghese didn't care. Big East Football was valuable at one time. Miami, Virginia Tech, BC, Cuse, WVU, Pitt, and lets throw in UCONN and Rutgers, they seem like a pretty valuable group to me. Gee why did they leave? I'll ask the question again.... Case in point, The Big East Basketball network, you know Ronny Perry, Bucky Waters, Bob Picozzi and company. Great right? Love watching them. Ever hear of the Big East Football Network? No? Why? Marinatto and Tranghese and the other catholic bball schools just don't care about football, case closed.
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LMAO.

If I'm blind then you're deaf and dumb because you don't listen and can't understand a simple fact.

No matter how valuable the big east was with those schools, the ACC was more valuable. That's why they left.

Whether we split from the bball schools or add more football schools, there was nobody strong enough to save us, that would have joined.

Keep blaming Notre Dame for the fact that UConn/Rutgers/Cincy/Louisville and USF just don't interest anyone nationally when it comes to football.

If the football schools were strong enough on their own, the conference would never have falled apart because they would have been able to attract/retain top programs. That the basketball schools didn't help us do that is irrelevant. Football is driving the bus, and the reason we fell apart is because we have relatively weak football brand names.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
They didn't even have time to get here before it all went down. We shouldn't have been playing with 8 teams for the last however many years. That is the problem.
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But Pitt/Cuse knew they were coming and left anyway, so whether or not they arrived is moot.

What teams did the basketball schools prevent us from adding? Why are 9, 10, or 11 dwarfs better than 8? What additional team did the BB schools veto that would have joined and could have prevented anyone from leaving for the ACC if offered?
 
businesslawyer said:
When the conference shrinks, when revenue sinks, the Big EAst officers are less likely to get raises and bonuses. You really think they don't care about this? REally?

Again, any criticism without stating what you would have done as Commissioner that you actually could have done as Commissioner is pointless.
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Sure they care about that but it doesn't mean they didn't make huge mistakes because they were beholdened to Gavitt, Providence and the other basketball schools and neglected the football side of things. And those past mistakes have made the Big East untenable. Marinatto and Tranghese and the other Providence cronies were/are fools that fiddled while Rome burned and Dave Gavitts dream of a basketball super conf while healthy back in the day is coming crashing down because those guys failed to realize years ago that football broadcasting dollars was becoming far more lucrative to D1 FB schools than contracts with MSG. When the first couple FB schools made noises about leaving, they did not take the appropriate steps to save the conf because they pompously refused to see it coming, as long as the BET was safe their motivation to do anything was low. Now Marinatto/Tranghese and the rest of the basketball school mafia are sweating but it's way too late. Consider this....The Big East Basketball network, you know Ronny Perry, Bucky Waters, Bob Picozzi and company. Great right? Love watching them. Ever hear of the Big East Football Network? No? Why?
 
WingU-Conn said:
But Pitt/Cuse knew they were coming and left anyway, so whether or not they arrived is moot.

What teams did the basketball schools prevent us from adding? Why are 9, 10, or 11 dwarfs better than 8? What additional team did the BB schools veto that would have joined and could have prevented anyone from leaving for the ACC if offered?
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If they are dwarfs you better have an army of them and not a tiny brigade.....
 
huskyrob1 said:
Ever hear of the Big East Football Network? No? Why?
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There's no big east football network because marinatto failed to satisfy the cravings of literally thousands of fans. He's such a moron.
 
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HartbeatHusky said:
If they are dwarfs you better have an army of them and not a tiny brigade.....
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Why, so we can split less money more ways? How does bringing in less revenue help us?
Who did the BB onlies prevent us from adding?
 
If Missouri sails its the worse case scenario. The BIG-12 can add teams, the BE doesn't have their contract in order.

I haven't seen a BYU, WVU and NYC market (Rutgers and UConn) rumor but who knows? Things changed with SU and Missouri and Pitt in the last few days. If you think about it, if TAMU and Missouri are gone the B12 will have to sprawl.

BYU, WVU and NYC market (Rutgers and UConn) would leave everyone feeling a ltitle better

EPSN could reopen the ACC and the BIG12 and nail a figure that is much less than a new BE contract.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I get the impression that the Providence people were trying to balance the needs of the football and bb only schools and not playing favorites with the bb only schools. And that balancing act failed because in the end the different agendas of various universities could not be placated.

I'm in the camp that the blame game is worthless. I'll add it probably is wrong. The B12 and the ACC conferences are not hybrid models and the B12's implosion is greater than the BE's and the ACC is still vulnerable if FSU and VT leave.

The difficulty is consensus building. Sometimes it works, sometimes it fails. There was nothing wrong with anyone trying it even if the attempt failed. Pouring out our anger over failure by blaming someone or some group of people is counterproductive.

Everyone in the conference had a part in its outcome. But so did circumstances outside the conference which the conference had no control over. I would say I agree with the posters who make the claim that as football became more important than bb in determining media $$ the likelihood of a break up was increased. But that doesn't mean someone was in the right and someone was in the wrong.

From a purely monetary standpoint the football schools had no choice but to point out that their value to the conference was greater than the bb only schools value. But even with this obvious discrepancy, I suspect that not every football school examined things from a purely monetary standpoint and this created tension amongst some of these football only schools. And in spite of the monetary superiority the football schools offered, why should the bb schools defer to the football schools.

If prestige, wealth and power were the only parameters than every school should defer to, Texas and ESPN. And they should determine the college landscape and no one should protest it. I doubt anyone in this forum insisting the BB schools should have rolled over for the interests of the football schools would ever agree to be anyone else's B**ch! So lighten up on the BB only schools and people who advocated for themselves differently than you wanted them to advocate. Lighten up on the Providence dudes who tried their best to work with all sides of the BE members and just couldn't placate everyone in the end. happens no matter how much planning and thinking takes place. The best people and the best institutions don't recriminate. They adjust.
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Stop being rational. Just make fun of some Italian last names and you'll fit in better.
 
CTBballfan243 said:
The reason we are where we are today is because back when the first raid took place the leaders of the BE didn't have the stomach to do what was needed to be done. SPLIT FROM BASKETBALL SCHOOLS!!!!! . Stick your head in the sand and carry on men!!!!!
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Really? Or, is it possible the BE football schools stuck with the non-football schools due to the BE's March Madness points and champion's automatic tourney bid. Nope, that played absolutely no role. Yes indeed, stick one's head in the sand and carry on man!!!!! ;)
 
RS9999X said:
If Missouri sails its the worse case scenario. The BIG-12 can add teams, the BE doesn't have their contract in order.
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I disagree.

Without Mizzou, Texas has an even stronger presence in the conference. Without Mizzou, Iowa St/Baylor should feel even less secure because that is one fewer vote on their side.

We should still be hard after Baylor/ISU and Kansas/KSU.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
I disagree.

Without Mizzou, Texas has an even stronger presence in the conference. Without Mizzou, Iowa St/Baylor should feel even less secure because that is one fewer vote on their side.

We should still be hard after Baylor/ISU and Kansas/KSU.
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I think we have a 0% chance at getting any of those schools but that is just me.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Sure they care about that but it doesn't mean they didn't make huge mistakes because they were beholdened to Gavitt, Providence and the other basketball schools and neglected the football side of things. And those past mistakes have made the Big East untenable. Marinatto and Tranghese and the other Providence cronies were/are fools that fiddled while Rome burned and Dave Gavitts dream of a basketball super conf while healthy back in the day is coming crashing down because those guys failed to realize years ago that football broadcasting dollars was becoming far more lucrative to D1 FB schools than contracts with MSG. When the first couple FB schools made noises about leaving, they did not take the appropriate steps to save the conf because they pompously refused to see it coming, as long as the BET was safe their motivation to do anything was low. Now Marinatto/Tranghese and the rest of the basketball school mafia are sweating but it's way too late. Consider this....The Big East Basketball network, you know Ronny Perry, Bucky Waters, Bob Picozzi and company. Great right? Love watching them. Ever hear of the Big East Football Network? No? Why?
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Incredibly, you attached this to my post which asked what would you have done, that you could have done, that would have saved the conference. You don't find any irony in attaching your discourse to my question? i
 
I just don't get worked up about this who do we add to the Big East stuff. If UConn isn't out of this league within the next 3 or 4 years, there will likely be permanent damage to its football. And they'll be less likely to overcome that damage. So, to me who gets added is irrelevant since the BCS bid is lost regardless.
 
IMind said:
That's actually good news... if it looks like the Big East is in a stronger position than the Big 12...it keeps Louisville and WVU from bolting.
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The report is 4 days old, but if they did apply, that interest won't go away just because OU/Texas strike a deal. Both conferences are unstable, but it's my understanding that only one shares revenue equally.
 
IMind said:
There was some scuttlebutt that the basketball schools were going to block Kansas and Kansas State if the Big 12 collapsed, last year. That's really all I can think of.

Here's the thing... nothing has to happen for quite a while... who the hell knows what will happen in the next 12-24 months. I don't want the Big East panic, back themselves in a corner, and add ECU and UCF... there's no real rush. Those schools will always be available. The Big 12 may still implode...
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They were also against adding TCU because the balance of power would have tilted away from them. The football schools basically had to point a gun at their head to get them to change their minds.

The Villanova play was a move to tilt the balance of power back to 50/50.

In the Big 12 you have Texas exercises a disproportionate amount of influence. In the Big East we have 8 basketball schools and Commissioner's office who will always give them more consideration than they deserve.

Who of any value would want to join a conference that operates like that?
 
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ZooCougar said:
They were also against adding TCU because the balance of power would have tilted away from them. The football schools basically had to point a gun at their head to get them to change their minds.

The Villanova play was a move to tilt the balance of power back to 50/50.

In the Big 12 you have Texas exercises a disproportionate amount of influence. In the Big East we have 8 basketball schools and Commissioner's office who will always give them more consideration than they deserve.

And the reason that the football schools haven't said we are walking if we can't fire this commissioner whom we all voted for is _______?


Who of any value would want to join a conference that operates like that?
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Well, two teams walked away last weekend. And two more will walk away if they get into the ACC. If the Big 12 implodes you might see 2-3 more walk out.

Last weekend Pitt and SU fired the Big East in case you hadn't noticed.
 
I still think a Big-12 raid is the biggest threat on the table.

Rght now they are feeling like they did after the Alamo. Pissing in the BE waters will make them feel better. Adding BYU, WVU, UConn and LU would look lik a sane response. The Longhorn would get their Network. Rutgers/UConn would get the BE-SNY network and new CT Feed. There's some Synergy there.

On paper I could make it a far better outcome than any other scenario but the BiG or ACC. And sure. i'd like CT to book home and aways with SU, PC, Pitt, Nova, Gergetown, ND and St John's in both sports where it would apply.
 
I think the best course of action for UConn, WVU, Rutgers, Louisville, USF, and Cinci would be to jump ship to the Big 12 right now. I'm sure they would have us and this would be a far more stable situation than what this BE is turning into. I would really miss some of the hoops schools but not DePaul, Marquette, Seton Hall, or PC really. If we all go together could we get out of that 27 month waiting period. If so, I say we go for it. I have zero interest of being in a conference with Army, Navy, and Air Force. Sorry, but that does nothing for me as a fan.
 
HartbeatHusky said:
I think the best course of action for UConn, WVU, Rutgers, Louisville, USF, and Cinci would be to jump ship to the Big 12 right now. I'm sure they would have us and this would be a far more stable situation than what this BE is turning into. I would really miss some of the hoops schools but not DePaul, Marquette, Seton Hall, or PC really. If we all go together could we get out of that 27 month waiting period. If so, I say we go for it. I have zero interest of being in a conference with Army, Navy, and Air Force. Sorry, but that does nothing for me as a fan.
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I guess putting Na(+) and CL(-) together works. But I'm not sure how many unstable and toxic elements or compounds combined work. I would only go to the merger for football. All other sports including bb stick with the BE. If it appears to be working add sports and then split completely.
 
fleudslipcon said:
I guess putting Na(+) and CL(-) together works. But I'm not sure how many unstable and toxic elements or compounds combined work. I would only go to the merger for football. All other sports including bb stick with the BE. If it appears to be working add sports and then split completely.
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I say we just take the plunge.

The New Big 12 would be

UConn
Rutgers
Louisville
Cincinnati
West Virginia
South Florida
UCF
Missouri

Kansas
Kansas St.
Iowa St.
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor

This looks like a pretty damn good conference to me. Doesn't look like a bunch of desperate leftovers at all.
 
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