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The refereeing in this game reflects really, really poorly on the NBA.

The NBA now has a real problem...

Fast forward to game 2: The world thinks these guys are in the bag for the Heat so to counter that problem, everyone expects a favorable whistle for the C's. Do the officials subconsciously give the Heat more calls to counter act this? Or do the Celtics actually get that favorable calls? Either way, the perception that the NBA officials have "orders" will remain.
 

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Technical number 4! This time on Rondo for a tiny 1-handed shove.

Some people may wonder why there is so much flopping going on in the NBA these days; it's because these referees are so prone to knee-jerk calls. The thing though is that most of these guys have had at least a decade of experience under their belt, and thus worked back when fouls weren't called so many times. So when did they decide to start calling a foul for every little bump and a T for every little extra-curricular thing?
 
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The one on Rondo is a matter of perspective. The officials are keen to the Celtics being "chippy" due to their prior calls. Battier is stepping backwards, towards the photographers, Rondo has his hands on him. Battier falls down. I don't like it but I see why it was called.
 

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The one on Rondo is a matter of perspective. The officials are keen to the Celtics being "chippy" due to their prior calls. Battier is stepping backwards, towards the photographers, Rondo has his hands on him. Battier falls down. I don't like it but I see why it was called.
Even if it was a completely intentional act by Rondo, he barely did anything! Blow the whistle and get in between them and yell at Rondo to cut it out, but a T?
 
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Even if it was a completely intentional act by Rondo, he barely did anything! Blow the whistle and get in between them and yell at Rondo to cut it out, but a T?

Unfortunately you need to stick to the precedent set for that game. This is where the early T's will kill the other officials. Your inclination is a make up call. So you T up Allen for his reaction. Give the Celtics a make up call later. The Heat player reacts worse than Allen, but still not in a manner deserving of a T. Do you hit him with one? Does that cancel out the make up call and now you owe one to Miami? Do you let it go? Borderline technicals (and fouls in general) by one official have a ripple effect through the rest of the crew that selfish officials just don't always understand in the heat of the moment.
 

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Yeah that initial T was pretty much the worst possible way to set the tone for a game (from a refereeing standpoint). Funny how EVERYONE hates referees, regardless of sport.
 
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Yeah and that T on Garnett for tipping the ball out of bounds, as if that doesn't happen after every other made basket in every game.

As I typed this, a T called on Doc. That's 3 awful Ts in less than 20 minutes. In a CONFERENCE FINALS GAME. Don't tell me that the same moron called all 3.

Again, the biggest whiner in the NBA on other team in Wade and the NBA's Posterboy in James who does his share, and all calls swinging the way the people on top wanty this series to go. It's the NBA!!!
 

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Right on cue, another classic. The entire basketball universe is laughing at the officiating in the Celts vs Heats game one

I suppose them there basketball "experts" (or are they purists?) will counter with another "NBA talent is better than College talent" (really?, nobody even thought of that one, A?) despite the fact that this thread was about officiating. (but I digress)

last night's calls were nothing about players being too quick and too athletic and thus the game is too tough for the officials, it was about the idiotic judgement displayed by an officiating crew combined with an apparent lack of eyesight
 
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The NBA now has a real problem...

Fast forward to game 2: The world thinks these guys are in the bag for the Heat so to counter that problem, everyone expects a favorable whistle for the C's. Do the officials subconsciously give the Heat more calls to counter act this? Or do the Celtics actually get that favorable calls? Either way, the perception that the NBA officials have "orders" will remain.

It started even earlier that this series. When Vogel was complaining about flopping even before their series against Miami, it got the refs off and running. It gave Indiana a little more leeway to push and grab, even more than they usually do, and eventually it escalated into guys on each side smashing one another. Now the league doesn't want that happening again so the refs are on edge. And it's all because they can't just call the game without being influenced by something, be it coaches, players, or their bosses.
 
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It started even earlier that this series. When Vogel was complaining about flopping even before their series against Miami, it got the refs off and running. It gave Indiana a little more leeway to push and grab, even more than they usually do, and eventually it escalated into guys on each side smashing one another. Now the league doesn't want that happening again so the refs are on edge. And it's all because they can't just call the game without being influenced by something, be it coaches, players, or their bosses.

If this is true, then why aren't they calling all the hack and pushing fouls? Because I saw a ton of fouls, outright pushes underneath. Instead, they are calling fouls based on Allen's facial expressions.
 
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It isn't always about calling fouls in my opinion. The refs try to control and influence these games in different ways. They call these technicals in some effort to show that they aren't going to let things "get out of hand" while still letting guys play. I would rather they just call fouls and establish how it is going to go that way. I guess what I am saying is that I just think the officials go about it the wrong way and end up being the focus of things.
 
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Watching only a few minutes and the game is filled with big time moving screens. Ginobili hit on an inbounds play where his man was ridden off like he was being blocked by a tightend. I don't know who the screener was. Then on the other end of the floor one of the Thunder broke free and was cutting through the lane and Duncan reached out and shoved the guy toward the basket slowing him down. Neither was called but should have been.

I don't know know what the league can do the clean up the NBA game. The players are so big, physical, and athletic. The refs could call a foul on just about every play. It would help if they called traveling so that the players would actually be guardable w/out having to body slam them on every other play.

Eventhough the players are so much more talented than college players, I simply enjoy the college game so much more.
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it is entertainment, not basketball... they will never call traveling properly

defensive 3 seconds is a joke, how can anyone take the NBA seriously ?
 
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As opposed to what, college?

Defensive 3 seconds is necessary, otherwise teams wouldn't break 70 points with any regularity.
 
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As opposed to what, college?

Defensive 3 seconds is necessary, otherwise teams wouldn't break 70 points with any regularity.
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as opposed to any level of basketball, the fans want dunks and scoring, however the modern basketball players lack the passing, and shooting skills to score.
 
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[quote="John Glass, post: 257645, member: 2512 however the modern basketball players lack the passing, and shooting skills to score.[/quote]

Really? Posts like this are moronic.
 
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[quote="John Glass, post: 257645, member: 2512 however the modern basketball players lack the passing, and shooting skills to score.

Really? Posts like this are moronic.[/quote]

yes, really, if you are more than 30 years old you saw good basketball in the NBA. The players didn't need bogus rules, and help from the referees to score.
 
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Right on cue, another classic. The entire basketball universe is laughing at the officiating in the Celts vs Heats game one

I suppose them there basketball "experts" (or are they purists?) will counter with another "NBA talent is better than College talent" (really?, nobody even thought of that one, A?) despite the fact that this thread was about officiating. (but I digress)

last night's calls were nothing about players being too quick and too athletic and thus the game is too tough for the officials, it was about the idiotic judgement displayed by an officiating crew combined with an apparent lack of eyesight
Basketball in general is the hardest game to officiate. Call need to be made in a split second and there's no take-backs. Once in a blue moon a ref will defer to another if they agree.

I agree, that the calls in the C's game that were brought up did not have to do with the athleticism, skill and strength of the athletes. Some NBA refs have way too big an ego and/or are big time thin-skinned. Sometimes for the good of the game, they need to be level headed and just warn the player or players and not be so quick with the T. What harm would it have for them to pull the pull the player to the side and warn them that they either crossed the line or got real close to it. Then go over to the benches and tell the coaches to inform their players that such behavior will earn them a T next time. And of course in some cases, such as the Ray T, they need to let those go. Players are emotional and they need to allow for some emotion.

Getting back to the athleticism/skill/strength issue, if you look real close at most NBA games, especially in the play-offs, most of these players would foul out by half-time if they played this physical in a college game. On the other hand, if the college refs allowed this type of physical play in the college game, the scores would be dreadfully low, well unless they allowed the moving screens you see night-in, night-out in the NBA.

Don't get me wrong. The play-making, jump shooting abilities and eye popping athletic plays around the rim are off the charts in the NBA. Some nights NBA teams put up triple digit numbers, while other nights the defense is allowed to be played at such a physical level that some scores are held well down in the double digits. I'm not sure if the following areas would make that much of a difference to make the games more watchable (though I'm sure some here feel they are fine as is):

Call traveling calls - Don't allow that 3rd step which I've posted over and over again makes offensive players close to unguardable. If you allow just two steps the defender knows when to go for the block. Knowing there's that 3rd step makes defenders have to guess to commit to the block and risk the player going one step further by them or continue back-peddling allowing the offensive player to stop to shoot while the defender is still moving back toward the basket.

Call moving Screens - There are simply some plays where even if the D is in good position they have absolutely no hope in stopping penetration if the refs allow the screen to block the defender like a pulling guard in football. Case in point that Ginobili lay-up off the inbound play the other day where his man was practically chucked back to mid-court. Ironically, KG was called on a moving screen late in one of the games against the Sixers. He was shocked it was called as was some of the analysts.

Call grabs, extended arm shoves and chucks that take place off the ball - I realize the NBA game is very physical, and I'm not saying take all that out of the game. If you did, uber-athletes like LeBron Jame would be able to get to the rim at will.

In the college game, most of the players are just not physical enough to consistent turn the corner on the defender when getting the slightest edge. At the NBA level, just about every team has players who when getting that half-step or less around the defender, would blow right by the defender if the NBA didn't allow the body contact that would be called a foul at the D1 level. It's simply a matter of physics. It's the shoving and holding that IMO makes the NBA games ugly.

The kicker to all this is the proverbial Genie is out of the bottle where the NBA players only know how to play one way. If the refs called all the above, the bench would be filled with disqualified players before the 4th quarter would even begin. Add to this, they allow the stars to get away with more. None of the refs want to be known as the ones that DQ the stars. And add even more to this, the disparity of the refs allowing the home team to play more physical w/out consequence than the away team. What else would explain the foul call disparity we see in just about every NBA game, especially in the play-offs. Sometimes it's not the home team getting the calls, but the refs allowing the more aggressive team that tries to stretch the envelope. In fact, I think that's a great part of the reason why the home teams have such a huge advantage. They can stretch the envelope (such as the refs ignoring Tim Duncan's one arm shove to the cutter in the paint in game 1 due to the home court and don't-foul-out-the-star treatment. During that stretch where the Spurs pulled away, a string of lopsided calls/no-calls took place. Granted the Spurs went off, but it's a lot easier to go off when you pull away thanks to some lopsided officiating. It's much easier to play with some added energy and confidence, letting some 3s fly when you find yourself up 4 to 5 due to some favorable calls/no-calls compared to when you're tied or even behind by a few points.

Some here will disagree with me but the officiating in the NBA can dramatically change a game. We've all seen some teams that are on a roll all of a sudden get a few calls that don't go their way and the entire momentum changes. Case-in-point the Spurs-Thunder game. I believe it was tied, Ginobili gets that easy lay-up which should have been a moving screen foul, then I believe on the Thunder's next offensive play, they either had a call or a no-call that allowed the Spurs to go back down and score again, putting the game to a 2 possession game in their favor during the late stages of the 4th quarter. Add to that the crowd going wild. I don't mean to take away for the Spurs. They made a bunch of plays late in that game and the Thunder seemed to lose their composure. Maybe w/out the bad calls/no-calls the Spurs would have pulled it out any ways.

These types of things happen in the college game, but IMO, not to the same degree, well unless your name is Kahill, Danato, etc. I guess NBA or D1 is a beauty-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder kind of thing. I just think the NBA game would be a lot more fun to watch if they called the game as I described above and did so the same for both teams on the floor and throughout the game. I'm okay with them letting some borderline physical play that might have been called a foul earlier in the game. I don't like a call deciding a game unless it's obvious and either play or shot altering, such as a big time moving screen that moves the defender 5 to 10 yards deep in the backfield so-to-speak.

Okay, I'm done.
 
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Really? Posts like this are moronic.

yes, really, if you are more than 30 years old you saw good basketball in the NBA. The players didn't need bogus rules, and help from the referees to score.[/quote]
Yeah, because no one played defense in the 80s.

And please don't give me the bulls**t routine about how NBA players don't play D - that may have been true in the early 2000s, but it isn't now.

If teams from the 70s or 80s were time warped to the present, they would average about 60 ppg in the NBA today.
 
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Right on cue, another classic. The entire basketball universe is laughing at the officiating in the Celts vs Heats game one

I suppose them there basketball "experts" (or are they purists?) will counter with another "NBA talent is better than College talent" (really?, nobody even thought of that one, A?) despite the fact that this thread was about officiating. (but I digress)

last night's calls were nothing about players being too quick and too athletic and thus the game is too tough for the officials, it was about the idiotic judgement displayed by an officiating crew combined with an apparent lack of eyesight

We get it willie, you love the NBA - congrats. The best players and athletes on the universe...blah blah blah...nice, you're the man. Does this mean it should be EVERYONE'S favorite form of basketball just because you say the duckk so?

It's great for some, others would prefer college - that's me. Does it make me a fn dope? Gez dude relax it's called opinion - you have yours, I like mine!
 
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yes, really, if you are more than 30 years old you saw good basketball in the NBA. The players didn't need bogus rules, and help from the referees to score.
Yeah, because no one played defense in the 80s.

And please don't give me the bulls**t routine about how NBA players don't play D - that may have been true in the early 2000s, but it isn't now.

If teams from the 70s or 80s were time warped to the present, they would average about 60 ppg in the NBA today.[/quote]


Yeah Parrish, Larry, Walton, McHale, DJ could never score against Anthony and those bigs for the Heat!! Funny .........:eek:..........I think Larry may have found a way to be a lot better than Pierce was last night! The best and better athletes don't make them better players.....that's for sure!
 

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We get it willie, you love the NBA - congrats. The best players and athletes on the universe...blah blah blah...nice, you're the man. Does this mean it should be EVERYONE'S favorite form of basketball just because you say the duckk so?

It's great for some, others would prefer college - that's me. Does it make me a fn dope? Gez dude relax it's called opinion - you have yours, I like mine!


youse talkin to me? I love the NBA?

is your post a joke? is it intended to be satirical?

what did I say?
 
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Yeah Parrish, Larry, Walton, McHale, DJ could never score against Anthony and those bigs for the Heat!! Funny ****.........:eek:..........I think Larry may have found a way to be a lot better than Pierce was last night! The best and better athletes don't make them better players.....that's for sure!
I love how you list a few Hall of Famers to make your point.

Of course those guy would still be able to score nowadays - there's a reason they're HOFers. But how about the role players from the 80s? Those guys have nowhere near the athleticism and ability of the average role player now.

You think Danny Ainge would've ever made an All-Star Game if her were born 20 years later? The answer's no.
 
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I love how you list a few Hall of Famers to make your point.

Of course those guy would still be able to score nowadays - there's a reason they're HOFers. But how about the role players from the 80s? Those guys have nowhere near the athleticism and ability of the average role player now.

You think Danny Ainge would've ever made an All-Star Game if her were born 20 years later? The answer's no.

I listed a few HOFers on ONE team - did they win it every year? No I'm guessing there were some pretty damn good teams in the 80's then!...........There hasn't been a player in the last few years who made the All Star team who everyone said "How did he make it?"......Ainge was tough, could shoot the ball, something seriously missing in todays stars, and could certainly play against these guys. Would he have been an all star? Who's to say....you? me? Not sure we can answer that......he had a couple of very goo dyears on very good teams.

Again there's some great players and some great athletes no denying it........it's just not for everyone. Referees suck from AAU to HS to college but because they just get licenses, especially HS. College, well if you ask me they let them last too long w/o any physical testing to see if they can stay with the game. NBA - they call it the way they fell like calling it.......not because they can't keep up with it. All the best refs in good shape and there's 3 scattered on the court - seeing what they want to see and missing what they're told to miss. Again, my opinion!! More than likely I'm wrong, just can't stand watching it!
 
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youse talkin to me? I love the NBA?

is your post a joke? is it intended to be satirical?

what did I say?

Think I misread your last post - on me my bad......please accept my apology......I should just say it was satirical but too obvious!!
 
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I listed a few HOFers on ONE team - did they win it every year? No I'm guessing there were some pretty damn good teams in the 80's then!...........There hasn't been a player in the last few years who made the All Star team who everyone said "How did he make it?"......Ainge was tough, could shoot the ball, something seriously missing in todays stars, and could certainly play against these guys. Would he have been an all star? Who's to say....you? me? Not sure we can answer that......he had a couple of very goo dyears on very good teams.

Again there's some great players and some great athletes no denying it........it's just not for everyone. Referees suck from AAU to HS to college but because they just get licenses, especially HS. College, well if you ask me they let them last too long w/o any physical testing to see if they can stay with the game. NBA - they call it the way they fell like calling it.......not because they can't keep up with it. All the best refs in good shape and there's 3 scattered on the court - seeing what they want to see and missing what they're told to miss. Again, my opinion!! More than likely I'm wrong, just can't stand watching it!
Good post.
My point wasn't to bash the 80s in any way (I still love watching video of the decade's classic games), but rather to combat to the clown who said players need special rules now to score.
 
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