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The Sanogo issue

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BigFanCT said:
People on here are really b***hing about a guy who has done this in his last 5 games:
  • 13 and 16
  • 6 and 2 (not good but not needed)
  • 20 and 6
  • 15 and 9
  • 20 and 16
And ignoring that we have a big man that has regressed from last year (IW) and a guard who is non-existent on offense (AJ).

Sanogo aint the reason we lost yesterday. It was 3 on 5 all game from an offensive perspective. Polley hit a 3. Yay.
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Both can be true. Everytime we tied or got it close, Sanogo's man would either beat him down the floor for a dunk, or get the ball over Sanogo and dunk. Then Sanogo would be a black hole at the other end and throw up a bunny that would miss.

He is vital to our team, but when we are so limited offensively, if he has a poor night, it really hurts us.
 
in the film room, coach will be reminding adama to stay at home on d, unless he can, absolutely, positively, do something meaningful for a teammate seemingly about to get beat on a drive, especially when he's further out.
lot's of wishy washy half slides by him last nite, where he ended up in noman's land, allowing a crisp pass to his man for a bunny.
no worries. coach's 'poop or get off the pot!' lambaste to him will register. he's a quick learner.
 
husky429 said:
People complain about everything. It's super frustrating the things we make up to be upset by after losses. We have the same problems in wins AND losses, but people like to ignore it after wins.
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This post offered no stats, no coaching suggestions, no line up suggestions, no comments about "teaching these kids fundamentals", but it is the wisest post I've seen in this thread. Yes, we are all upset after a loss, and the easiest knee jerk reaction to a loss is to project by blaming and criticizing. You're right. Calmly offer these suggestions after we win if you want to be trusted.
 
The issue with Sanogo is that he tries to switch on a screen EVERY time. His roller is constantly left free and it leads to easy points.

It doesn't matter what his stat-line looks like at the end of the game. He is costing us defensively in the pick and roll. He needs to stop trying to hedge because he just doesn't have above average awareness, not yet at least.

It's a fixable issue, but that's assuming Hurley and Co. know how to teach it.
 
husky429 said:
Eh, I see him as basically unplayable in close games at this point. He's a shell of his former shelf. Hurley played him VERY well as a freshman, and he got tons of minutes. He didn't just forget the kid's skillset.
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As a 5 perhaps. He's a 4. As a 4 he's a better defender (inside or out) than Polley, better rebounder than Polley, better passer than Polley and nearly as good a shooter as Polley. Hurley is trying to turn him into a center. He's not. Never was. Yes he gets pushed around. So would Polley in that role. He still has one of the better BPMs on the team. He's also a very good screener.
 
HuskyHawk said:
As a 5 perhaps. He's a 4. As a 4 he's a better defender (inside or out) than Polley, better rebounder than Polley, better passer than Polley and nearly as good a shooter as Polley. Hurley is trying to turn him into a center. He's not. Never was. Yes he gets pushed around. So would Polley in that role. He still has one of the better BPMs on the team. He's also a very good screener.
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His defense has not been good this yeR and he's played most of his minutes at the 4. Are we watching the same game?
 
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BigFanCT said:
People on here are really b***hing about a guy who has done this in his last 5 games:
  • 13 and 16
  • 6 and 2 (not good but not needed)
  • 20 and 6
  • 15 and 9
  • 20 and 16
And ignoring that we have a big man that has regressed from last year (IW) and a guard who is non-existent on offense (AJ).

Sanogo aint the reason we lost yesterday. It was 3 on 5 all game from an offensive perspective. Polley hit a 3. Yay.
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im not criticizing him but i will say he got absolutely embarrassed by Creightons big man.
 
Sure, Sanogo didn’t get back quick enough after the hedge, which led to multiple dunks. But Creighton/McDermott eliminated any rotational help by extending on the perimeter and clearing the lane, drawing all other UConn defenders away from the hoop. After Kalkbrenner got two or three dunks that way a defensive change was needed: either go zone or eliminate the Sanogo hedge. No change was made and Kalkbrenner go 20 points in the 2nd half as a result. A big-to-big double wasn’t available due to Creighton’s spacing. Tip of the hat to McDermott. Get ‘em next time Huskies. The silver lining - Danny and the team now know how they may be attacked come tournament time and they have time to prepare.
 
husky429 said:
His defense has not been good this yeR and he's played most of his minutes at the 4. Are we watching the same game?
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Maybe, maybe not. His Drtg is good at 94.1 (about the same as IW). Polley is 101.7. His defense is fine when he isn't guarding 5s. When did he last play at the 4?

He got 6 minutes vs GTown, all with Whaley and Sanogo on the bench I believe. He got 14 in the first Georgetown game, so may have played with Whaley or Sanogo...and was effective. He is most effective opposite Sanogo. He's exactly what is needed against a team like Creighton, so it was baffling that he didn't play.
 
Didn’t read this thread. Doubt I need to.

We simply missed shots, people. Jackson and his trigger pulls didn’t help, but there were otherwise good looks all night. It happens.

We got in to a 16 point deficit and lost by 2. The ball didn’t bounce our way last night. Creighton isn’t some bum team, they’re well-coached, they were at home with a raucous crowd and needed this win. You can’t bend yourself out of shape over this kind of loss.
 
Our offensive deficiencies can be summed up.....................we do not have a point guard, and it is NOT Cole's fault. He has been tasked with playing out of position (without complaint, as he is a team player and class kid). He would be a shooting guard on any other team with a true point. This is a recruiting issue.................period.
 
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husky429 said:
He has good and bad games as expected.

Not going zone when he was getting manhandled on defense was disappointing by our coaching staff.

On to the next one.
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This. Should’ve changed things up when Kalkbrenner was going off. Huskies did a great job coming back from the deficit, could’ve/should’ve won.
 
we just don't have enough shooters that can take the pressure off Sanogo. Cole is pretty much it and they kept him covered pretty well when it counted. Jackson won't take a shot and Gaff is spotty at best. Martin should have been targeted more, but Sanogo tried to do it all himself.
they need some consistent shooters to make this work better. 0-5 against Creighton is annoying especially when they had several opportunities to at least get ahead when it was 52-52. Several shots were missed in that sequence and Creighton went back and scored right away. Just a very frustrating game to watch.
 
lavuuk153 said:
I just don’t think you can have Jackson, whaley, and sanogo in late in games where you need to score. Sanogo struggles with the traffic and they were daring whaley and Jackson to make shots. I was begging for polley to come in for one of them.
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Jackson cost 8 points in less then 30 sec, turnover 2 we don’t score, they score 2, stupid a shot next time down, they score again ( 8 points in 30 sec), he is a liability and we are not talking about his 1940 “set shot”. Almost think Akok could be better choice!
 
Umami Zen said:
Creighton/Mac kept going to Kalkbrenner until/if UConn stopped the action. Never happened.They didn't even need the three ball last night because of the success they were having.. Adama/staff need to watch some film.. Gonna see it again.

Looked to me like AS was caught watching the ball too much and was a step slow on recovering to stop his guy.

Give the guys credit for coming back and keeping the game close.
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Yup, and it's tough to criticize a guy with 14 rebounds and 11 points, because sometimes he gets 15 and 20. But he can't lose track like that.
 
Guys, we didn't lose because of shooting and outside shooting isn't our problem as team, we're fine there...we stink at finishing around the rim.

We lost because we got blown out the first 16 minutes of the game and then when we got it close and had chances to go up we let Kalkbrenner have a field day at the rim because of constantly hard hedging with Sanogo.
 
Viet Vet said:
Our offensive deficiencies can be summed up.....................we do not have a point guard, and it is NOT Cole's fault. He has been tasked with playing out of position (without complaint, as he is a team player and class kid). He would be a shooting guard on any other team with a true point. This is a recruiting issue.................period.
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Just to be clear, you are saying that Cole is the cause of this team's offensive deficiencies?
 
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jibsey said:
Yup, and it's tough to criticize a guy with 14 rebounds and 11 points, because sometimes he gets 15 and 20. But he can't lose track like that.
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Love his effort and his trajectory.. The reality is he's still relatively new to the game.. Playing since age 15.. So his BB IQ is still evolving and he's a quick study.. But... The Hawkins pick should have been called out by Kalkbrenner's defender-Adama- Didn't happen.. BB 101

Live and learn..
 
We want him on the floor. When he gets in foul trouble or is missing shots we get in trouble. Against certain (bad) teams we can make hay with him on the bench. If teams can deny him though double teams we need to make them pay in other areas, i.e. Cole taking over in the second half.

Creighton went 34-30 for 64. We went 24-38 for 62. Is not difficult to see we lost the game in the first half and blew a chance to comeback with a series of bonehead decisions. Exactly what didn't happen against Villanova. Play 40 minutes of solid, smart ball, take the W, repeat. 30 minutes won't do it going forward.
 
T-Squared said:
Sure, Sanogo didn’t get back quick enough after the hedge, which led to multiple dunks. But Creighton/McDermott eliminated any rotational help by extending on the perimeter and clearing the lane, drawing all other UConn defenders away from the hoop. After Kalkbrenner got two or three dunks that way a defensive change was needed: either go zone or eliminate the Sanogo hedge. No change was made and Kalkbrenner go 20 points in the 2nd half as a result. A big-to-big double wasn’t available due to Creighton’s spacing. Tip of the hat to McDermott. Get ‘em next time Huskies. The silver lining - Danny and the team now know how they may be attacked come tournament time and they have time to prepare.
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They have had time to prepare, but nothing seems to change.
 
At least we know Sanogo is coming back. Unless he pulls a DHam

Not trying to be negative here, just saying he needs little work. And that's not a bad thing
 
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willie99 said:
At least we know Sanogo is coming back. Unless he pulls a DHam

Not trying to be negative here, just saying he needs little work. And that's not a bad thing
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'At least we know Sanogo is coming back. '
do we? im not so sure yet cuz of the possibility that, with the big stage looming up ahead, he could respond with driven performances that catch the eye of hoops nation, including nba gm types. will it happen? idk, but the real possibility exists. i think he luv's the big stage for the practical reason of his chance to make bank by just playing a game. he's new at this, but has figgered out that he has the power to make it rain benjy's on his head with stellar performances. timing is everything.
that tate guy passed go and collected cash by just making one shot.
 
imno1 said:
RJ is a definitely a point guard. One of the best in the BE. Would you also say Kemba played out of position?
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It's just an insane take and he's not the only one on the board who has said it. Cole is having just as good a season as Gillespie and averages more assists and has a better assist to turnover ratio than him. I doubt any Nova fans are saying Gillespie isn't a point guard.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I don’t know what Hurley can do here. He’s definitely out most talented player and when he’s on he’s one of the best players in the big East.

These past couple of games show just how much he can hurt the team though. This team plays SO well when he’s out the game. Our offense gets everyone involved, Whaley gets the do his amazing hedges and can be the same monster on the board. Guys have way more spacing and move the ball better.

With him there’s not as much spacing, we force feed him and he struggles to move the ball and find open guys. He’s not as good of a hedger as Whaley that we saw today. To the point he can single handedly sink us.

It’s almost to a point where I have half a mind to say he should come off the bench as a spark plug if he can’t make his teammates better and only look for his own shot. We just look so much better with Whaley at the 5.

Everyone else on the team does seem to be peaking at the right time. It’s up to Hurley to figure out these lineups in March. We may have to learn to rely less on Sanogo which this team has shown it’s completely capable of doing.
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Bump
 
Did great tonight but I still stand by what I said. He got a lot of easy baskets and good position to go up quick once her got the ball. Better teams will make him work harder for it though.
 
JoCo said:
Jackson cost 8 points in less then 30 sec, turnover 2 we don’t score, they score 2, stupid a shot next time down, they score again ( 8 points in 30 sec), he is a liability and we are not talking about his 1940 “set shot”. Almost think Akok could be better choice!
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He had some tremendous assists. He also gets us running because he speeds up our tempo.
 
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