The Official Mets 2021 Thread

[navery12]

Screw him and any of them that do that. Not a fan.

Should be a great ten years with Lindor savoring a toxic relationship with the fans.

New York is not the place for these guys.

Yeah I'm on the other end, I'm embarrassed to be a Mets fan after seeing the response to this. I hope they hand Baez a $200M extension tonight and saw screw you to every fan who's booing him and Lindor

 

[8893]

Yeah I'm on the other end, I'm embarrassed to be a Mets fan after seeing the response to this. I hope they hand Baez a $200M extension tonight and saw screw you to every fan who's booing him and Lindor

Brilliant.

I’m also embarrassed to be a Mets fan. Our team is joke.

Lolz at these clowns for beating their chests about beating the Little Sisters of the Poor after getting curb stomped by the teams with quality players.

I’m embarrassed for everyone involved but most of all the players. This stink is going to be on the team for a long time.

A bunch of Jamie Tartts playing for individual stats.

 

[8893]

"The funniest thing about the Mets is the players’ pious self-image."

In Queens, the Mets Give Their Fans a Bronx Cheer (Published 2021)

Showing off their sensitivity, Francisco Lindor, Javier Baez and Kevin Pillar celebrated a win by making thumbs-down gestures at the fans who had booed them.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Rico444]

I can't believe how mentally weak this team is. They should be angry about playing garbage baseball for the last month, but they direct their anger at the fans? Really?

I hate booing the players for playing badly, and have never done it. I remember once at a game a player hit a popup and didn't run, and then the ball dropped in and they were thrown out. That's the only time I've ever booed, because booing performance is dumb. Do you really think these players don't want to succeed? That being said, this team had won 6 games in August coming into this weekend. If you're angrier about fans booing then your poor performance tanking the season, then you're not the kind of player I want on my team.

 

[storrsroars]

I can't believe how mentally weak this team is. They should be angry about playing garbage baseball for the last month, but they direct their anger at the fans? Really?

I hate booing the players for playing badly, and have never done it. I remember once at a game a player hit a popup and didn't run, and then the ball dropped in and they were thrown out. That's the only time I've ever booed, because booing performance is dumb. Do you really think these players don't want to succeed? That being said, this team had won 6 games in August coming into this weekend. If you're angrier about fans booing then your poor performance tanking the season, then you're not the kind of player I want on my team.

Even though I'd already been living in Pgh for five years by 2007, it was the prima donna attitudes of the '06-'07 Mets, and their September collapses that finally turned me away from the Mets and into a Pirates fan. If you're gonna lose, lose with young guys on pre-arb salaries and get a better draft position. No place worse in MLB than in the middle.

 

[8893]

I can't believe how mentally weak this team is. They should be angry about playing garbage baseball for the last month, but they direct their anger at the fans? Really?

I hate booing the players for playing badly, and have never done it. I remember once at a game a player hit a popup and didn't run, and then the ball dropped in and they were thrown out. That's the only time I've ever booed, because booing performance is dumb. Do you really think these players don't want to succeed? That being said, this team had won 6 games in August coming into this weekend. If you're angrier about fans booing then your poor performance tanking the season, then you're not the kind of player I want on my team.

Exactly.

I have never booed players on my own team and I'm not a fan of it, but if you play in New York you have to able to handle that without stooping lower.

You are getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars to play a game. The reason you get paid is because of the fans. Giving them the finger, which is exactly what this is, is not going to end well.

I would sit Baez's ass on the bench for a bit and not give one second of consideration to re-signing him in the off-season. Pillar seems to have intended something a little different and I would want to hear more from him before judging further. Unfortunately we are stuck with Lindor; but if money is truly no issue for Cohen I wouldn't be averse to shipping him elsewhere for a discount just to get his stink off the team.

 

[navery12]

Exactly.

I have never booed players on my own team and I'm not a fan of it, but if you play in New York you have to able to handle that without stooping lower.

You are getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars to play a game. The reason you get paid is because of the fans. Giving them the finger, which is exactly what this is, is not going to end well.

I would sit Baez's ass on the bench for a bit and not give one second of consideration to re-signing him in the off-season. Pillar seems to have intended something a little different and I would want to hear more from him before judging further. Unfortunately we are stuck with Lindor; but if money is truly no issue for Cohen I wouldn't be averse to shipping him elsewhere for a discount just to get his stink off the team.

Yeah unfortunately Baez is gone after this, which really sucks. He was the perfect player for this team, but no chance he's coming back after Sandy's comments yesterday even once Sandy is gone. They've really butchered this whole situation

I don't really understand your hate for Lindor though, I'm sure you'll come around on him when he has a full good season next year. I think the first 2 months have blinded you to the really good last 2 months he's had

 

[8893]

I don't really understand your hate for Lindor though, I'm sure you'll come around on him when he has a full good season next year. I think the first 2 months have blinded you to the really good last 2 months he's had

I guess this pic says it better than anything I can write:

I don't hate him, I just don't think he's cut out to play in New York. I said before the season, after I read about his reaction to the big contract, that I was concerned that his mindset seemed to be that had already made it and really had nothing else to work for. He seemed to have a positive attitude at least and I like his defense, but he's obviously used to being coddled and his decision to join his buddy Baez in flipping off the fans confirmed my fears about him.

He might want to see how a class act handled it:

Crybaby Mets could learn from how Derek Jeter handled boos from Yankees fans

Derek Jeter seemed to understand why Yankees fans booed him when he didn't play well. The Mets? Not so much.

www.nj.com

 

[navery12]

I guess this pic says it better than anything I can write:

I don't hate him, I just don't think he's cut out to play in New York. I said before the season, after I read about his reaction to the big contract, that I was concerned that his mindset seemed to be that had already made it and really had nothing else to work for. He seemed to have a positive attitude at least and I like his defense, but he's obviously used to being coddled and his decision to join his buddy Baez in flipping off the fans confirmed my fears about him.

He might want to see how a class act handled it:

Crybaby Mets could learn from how Derek Jeter handled boos from Yankees fans

Derek Jeter seemed to understand why Yankees fans booed him when he didn't play well. The Mets? Not so much.

www.nj.com

Fair enough, I think you're dead wrong about him just like you are about deGrom but we'll see. His numbers since June point much more to it being an adjustment period than him not being able to handle New York. I don't see any of the concerns you talk about with him if I'm being completely honest, I think you're really reaching. But I also think this whole thumbs down thing is being completely blown out of proportion so don't expect you to agree

 

[8893]

Fair enough, I think you're dead wrong about him just like you are about deGrom but we'll see.

deGrom? I love him. My only concern is whether he can pitch like he was pitching and stay healthy; or if he can adjust to lower velocity again if not. I don’t think we have enough data to know that and I wouldn’t mind seeing more this season irrespective of the fact that we are all but mathematically eliminated right now.

 

[navery12]

deGrom? I love him. My only concern is whether he can pitch like he was pitching and stay healthy; or if he can adjust to lower velocity again if not. I don’t think we have enough data to know that and I wouldn’t mind seeing more this season irrespective of the fact that we are all but mathematically eliminated right now.

You've seemed to suggest multiple times the Mets shouldn't sign him and should let him walk. Maybe just heat of the moment and you don't actually believe that, so if that's the case I apologize

 

[8893]

You've seemed to suggest multiple times the Mets shouldn't sign him and should let him walk. Maybe just heat of the moment and you don't actually believe that, so if that's the case I apologize

No, I only suggested that I would want more data on his physical status before handing him the largest pitcher contract in history.

 

[Rico444]

Fair enough, I think you're dead wrong about him just like you are about deGrom but we'll see. His numbers since June point much more to it being an adjustment period than him not being able to handle New York. I don't see any of the concerns you talk about with him if I'm being completely honest, I think you're really reaching. But I also think this whole thumbs down thing is being completely blown out of proportion so don't expect you to agree

I think Lindor will be fine, but I'm really interested to see his response to this whole thing. You're never going to win going after the fans, and if he can't let something as insignificant as getting booed go, then I don't see how he's going to have success here.

 

[8893]

I'm glad they have the day off today. I think Cohen needs to take some ownership too; his tweet about the team's offense a few weeks ago was also totally unprofessional, and I'd bet he would start off with more credibility with the players if he apologized to them for airing that in a manner that was inappropriate. You can't reasonably demand professionalism from your players if you don't exhibit it yourself.

 

[navery12]

I think Lindor will be fine, but I'm really interested to see his response to this whole thing. You're never going to win going after the fans, and if he can't let something as insignificant as getting booed go, then I don't see how he's going to have success here.

I think as soon as he starts hitting and the Mets are winning next year everyone forgets about this and moves on. People killed Beltran his first year here and the majority loved him by the end because of how great he was. I see a lot of similarities between them, from the frustrating bunts all the way down to not being able to handle the boos

 

[ClifSpliffy]

3rd highest payroll, methinks. why can't they afford a serving of this?

just another arrogant and tonedeaf day in queens. #notsurprized.
with 2, you get eggroll. start with telling that clown to tuck his shirt in.

 

[Rico444]

I think as soon as he starts hitting and the Mets are winning next year everyone forgets about this and moves on. People killed Beltran his first year here and the majority loved him by the end because of how great he was. I see a lot of similarities between them, from the frustrating bunts all the way down to not being able to handle the boos

The more I think about this situation, I'm not really upset at Lindor. This seemed like something that most of the players were using as a fun little team-building exercise, and never meant it as an insult to the fans. If this was kept in the clubhouse, then nobody ever knows, and frankly, I wouldn't care if the players used this as a way to deal with booing fans. Once Baez leaked this, then it kind of threw these other guys under the bus. Trevor May engaged with a bunch of fans yesterday on twitter and basically said that it was never meant as disrespectful towards the fans, just a fun little hand signal like the churve earlier in the year.

I agree that Lindor will be fine with a fresh start next year. Hopefully he has as good a bounce-back year as Beltran had in 2006.

 

[8893]

The more I think about this situation, I'm not really upset at Lindor. This seemed like something that most of the players were using as a fun little team-building exercise, and never meant it as an insult to the fans. If this was kept in the clubhouse, then nobody ever knows, and frankly, I wouldn't care if the players used this as a way to deal with booing fans. Once Baez leaked this, then it kind of threw these other guys under the bus. Trevor May engaged with a bunch of fans yesterday on twitter and basically said that it was never meant as disrespectful towards the fans, just a fun little hand signal like the churve earlier in the year.

I disagree that it was innocent or misunderstood; it was meant to be a middle finger to the fans. I'd like to know who came up with the idea.

I think this is a good take on the whole mess that is the 2021 Mets; I don't agree with all of it, but I agree with most:

The Thumb of All Jeers

After Javier Báez revealed the meaning behind some Mets’ recent fan-directed gestures, backlash came swiftly and forcefully. But the frustration that underlines all sides of this story stems from a much deeper place.

www.theringer.com

 

[navery12]

I disagree that it was innocent or misunderstood; it was meant to be a middle finger to the fans. I'd like to know who came up with the idea.

I think this is a good take on the whole mess that is the 2021 Mets; I don't agree with all of it, but I agree with most:

The Thumb of All Jeers

After Javier Báez revealed the meaning behind some Mets’ recent fan-directed gestures, backlash came swiftly and forcefully. But the frustration that underlines all sides of this story stems from a much deeper place.

www.theringer.com

I think it was 100% misunderstood and was just supposed to be an internal thing to get them fired up. If you listened to any of the players talk over the last 3 days (both involved and uninvolved) I think you'd agree. From what I've seen this was a Lindor and Baez idea

 

[8893]

I think it was 100% misunderstood and was just supposed to be an internal thing to get them fired up. If you listened to any of the players talk over the last 3 days (both involved and uninvolved) I think you'd agree. From what I've seen this was a Lindor and Baez idea

I agree it was intended to be internal and Baez blew that, but the meaning of it was to be giving the finger to the fans behind their backs. I mean Baez couldn't have been clearer about that, which is exactly what the Ringer article notes.

That's what I mean by not innocent and not misunderstood. How it is being perceived is exactly how it was intended. The fact that it was supposed to be mocking fans behind their backs makes it worse, not better imo.

I think it was a totally douchey thing to conceive, especially when one of the guys wasn't even playing and the other one hadn't even been here a New York minute.

Oh well, Baez is toast here. Lindor will either move past it or he won't. But if he never wins the hearts of the Mets fanbase he won't have anywhere else to look but in the mirror.

I can't believe I am finding myself regretting that A-Rod did not win his bid to buy the team. I would love to blow the whole thing up and start all over again from scratch.

At least I won't be wasting any more time or money on them this season.

 

[navery12]

I agree it was intended to be internal and Baez blew that, but the meaning of it was to be giving the finger to the fans behind their backs. I mean Baez couldn't have been clearer about that, which is exactly what the Ringer article notes.

That's what I mean by not innocent and not misunderstood. How it is being perceived is exactly how it was intended. The fact that it was supposed to be mocking fans behind their backs makes it worse, not better imo.

I think it was a totally douchey thing to conceive, especially when one of the guys wasn't even playing and the other one hadn't even been here a New York minute.

Oh well, Baez is toast here. Lindor will either move past it or he won't. But if he never wins the hearts of the Mets fanbase he won't have anywhere else to look but in the mirror.

I can't believe I am finding myself regretting that A-Rod did not win his bid to buy the team. I would love to blow the whole thing up and start all over again from scratch.

At least I won't be wasting any more time or money on them this season.

Gotta be honest, I think you're taking this WAY too seriously, it's not a big deal and will be forgotten about by next week. The fans will love Lindor as the leader of this team for the next decade and the fans will love Baez when he signs an extension this offseason.

Lindor and Baez have both publicly apologized and explained what happened and why they did it. The fact you choose to believe your own narrative and not move on is on you

 

[8893]

Love this:

 

[Rico444]

I agree it was intended to be internal and Baez blew that, but the meaning of it was to be giving the finger to the fans behind their backs. I mean Baez couldn't have been clearer about that, which is exactly what the Ringer article notes.

That's what I mean by not innocent and not misunderstood. How it is being perceived is exactly how it was intended. The fact that it was supposed to be mocking fans behind their backs makes it worse, not better imo.

I think it was a totally douchey thing to conceive, especially when one of the guys wasn't even playing and the other one hadn't even been here a New York minute.

Oh well, Baez is toast here. Lindor will either move past it or he won't. But if he never wins the hearts of the Mets fanbase he won't have anywhere else to look but in the mirror.

I can't believe I am finding myself regretting that A-Rod did not win his bid to buy the team. I would love to blow the whole thing up and start all over again from scratch.

At least I won't be wasting any more time or money on them this season.

I can tell you've never worked retail lol. I have my whole life, and sometimes we blow off steam about a crappy customer when there aren't any customers around. I don't consider this any different than that for most of the team.

Lindor apologized, and as far as I'm concerned I have no issue with him or anyone else on the team that was doing the thumbs down. Baez still rubs me the wrong way a little bit, but either way he's most likely gone after this season anyway.

 

[8893]

Gotta be honest, I think you're taking this WAY too seriously, it's not a big deal and will be forgotten about by next week. The fans will love Lindor as the leader of this team for the next decade and the fans will love Baez when he signs an extension this offseason.

Lindor and Baez have both publicly apologized and explained what happened and why they did it. The fact you choose to believe your own narrative and not move on is on you

Yeah, I'm not surprised we see this 180 degrees differently, given our history of different perspectives as fans. I think a lot of it has to do with the difference in our ages.

By my observation, you tend to be 100% in support of the players all the time, and against the owners, managers and any fans who take issue with any player, no matter what.

I get it. I don't see it that way, but I get it.

I grew up with it being--or at least appearing to be--much more of a team sport than it is now. You grew up in an era that idolized the individual and elevated him above the team, to the point where the team--and by extension its fans--really doesn't mean much anymore to the players, except as a means to pay their increasing salaries.

It's a purely transactional relationship now, and I guess no wonder that MLB continues to hemorrhage more and more fan support every year. And the reason I enjoy it less and less.

By the way, are you still cocksure that we are going to win the division this season?

 

[navery12]

Yeah, I'm not surprised we see this 180 degrees differently, given our history of different perspectives as fans. I think a lot of it has to do with the difference in our ages.

By my observation, you tend to be 100% in support of the players all the time, and against the owners, managers and any fans who take issue with any player, no matter what.

I get it. I don't see it that way, but I get it.

I grew up with it being--or at least appearing to be--much more of a team sport than it is now. You grew up in an era that idolized the individual and elevated him above the team, to the point where the team--and by extension its fans--really doesn't mean much anymore to the players, except as a means to pay their increasing salaries.

It's a purely transactional relationship now, and I guess no wonder that MLB continues to hemorrhage more and more fan support every year. And the reason I enjoy it less and less.

By the way, are you still cocksure that we are going to win the division this season?

Yeah I think you pretty much nailed it with our different perspectives. Never replied to storrsroars yesterday about it but thought it was funny that he was talking about those 2006-2008 Mets as the ones who drove him away to beimg a Pirates fan and those are the teams that made me fall in love with the Mets.

I'm almost ready to give up but I still think they can win the division with this easy stretch coming up. End next weekend 4 games back and I think they can do it. But I also know that's not very realistic

 

[navery12]

Think this pretty much sums up my feelings

 

[8893]

Think this pretty much sums up my feelings

I agree with most of it, especially in terms of defining the reason for the breakdown.

Whether or not the "everyone gets a trophy" generation ends up for the better "in almost every fashion" at the end of the day remains to be seen. One notable loss is grit, which has been talked about a lot on the educational front, and to which that piece alludes.

 

[navery12]

Well that's how you win back the fans

 

[8893]

Well that's how you win back the fans

I would have bet anything that they were going to choke the comeback attempt. Good on them.

Marlins are atrocious.

 

[8893]

I’ll give Baez this: I love the way he runs the base paths.