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Vowelguy said:
1) You said that ESPN picked matchups months in advance and still have offered no proof.
2) For many years BOTH the men's & women's committees have hosted mock bracketing sessions for key media members to increase transparency and so they can help fans better understand the process. Attendees have included media members from CBS, AP, and yes ESPN. The idea that this is evidence of collusion between ESPN & the women's committee is beyond laughable.
3) Tennessee absolutely deserved a #1 seed at the time.

There are always a billion conspiracy theories. Evidence is less plentiful.
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1, Did you miss Creme's October bracket? And I'm not sure but he may have put one out last April or May. I doubt he just told them who his employers wanted in the dance and against whom but that would be something to discuss with whomever writes the Pol & Pro. and whomever appoints the chairman of the selection committee.

2. I don't remember any fans attending these mock sessions. Have you read the latest "Policies and Procedures? If there is one thing I learned reading them was that they are so convoluted that I doubt any of the committee members could pass a test on them. The rules give the chairman lots of discretion and the ability to orchestrate the process.

3. No they weren't.


Yes there are a lot of conspiracies and it's a myth that they are all just the ravings of lunatics. Many of them are real and supported by lots of facts. Do you think that no one ever conspires? Or is it just those "evil doers" whop plot?

I love sports. I love watching and I love to root and boo. But I also realize that as soon as turnstiles are put up and money is collected they become businesses. And business people don't let things like fairness and honesty interfere with maximizing their profits. The media today are controlled by a few huge corporations that see wcbb as a revenue stream, just like the WWF or some reality show. They are all just entertainment to get people to watch the commercials.
 
MSGRET said:
Charlie published his first bracketology in early October with the title of "Too Early Bracketology" or something to that effect. If I remember correctly almost all of the teams from the SEC and ACC are still on his list.
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Yeah so?
CBS and ESPN also post football bowl projections in August. And mens basketball projections in October. Are these similar conspiratorial exercises? And which media member is the NCAA conspiring with - CBS? ESPN? Fox?

Do illuminate please.
 
I think that this year is a difficult year for the NCAA committee, as far as UCONN is concerned. Paige is THE REASON. Think about it. Sure, the team would put up a good showing with the present team(without her), but would you choose UCONN to win it all? I wouldn't, and I would also be wary of choosing them to be in the Final Four.
It will be interesting watching the team, with, or without her. Geno should make the final decision whether Paige should play or not. H should first consult with her parents, the doctors, the assistant coaches, and Paige herself.
 
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Vowelguy said:
Yeah so?
CBS and ESPN also post football bowl projections in August. And mens basketball projections in October. Are these similar conspiratorial exercises? And which media member is the NCAA conspiring with - CBS? ESPN? Fox?

Do illuminate please.
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Go back and look at my original post! I was answering your FIRST question, so get off your high horse about conspiratorial exercises. You asked a question I answered it, Period!
 
I don't know but I'd be surprised the NCAA is losing money after the TV rights even if the women's tournament were packaged separately. You have the gate and the TV revenue. They probably have prize money for the schools maybe, adding to the costs?
 
Vowelguy said:
Yeah so?
CBS and ESPN also post football bowl projections in August. And mens basketball projections in October. Are these similar conspiratorial exercises? And which media member is the NCAA conspiring with - CBS? ESPN? Fox?

Do illuminate please.
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What they do is create benchmarks for the mass of people that don't follow the sport like we do.

Take Maryland. pre-season AP No 5. By week 5 they were 8-2. Two losses but still No 8. At week 10 they were 12-4. Two more losses but they stay at No 8. In the same 10 week period UConn lost 3 games and dropped from 2nd to 9th, behind 4 loss MD. It wasn't until MD lost games 5 & 6 that they slid down to 17th, and now, with 7 losses they are 13th. Losses don't hurt MD. Why? Some would say because they pass the eye test. Others would say that the media is going to vote for the top teams in the B1G, regardless of their record.
 
Alydar said:
What they do is create benchmarks for the mass of people that don't follow the sport like we do.

Take Maryland. pre-season AP No 5. By week 5 they were 8-2. Two losses but still No 8. At week 10 they were 12-4. Two more losses but they stay at No 8. In the same 10 week period UConn lost 3 games and dropped from 2nd to 9th, behind 4 loss MD. It wasn't until MD lost games 5 & 6 that they slid down to 17th, and now, with 7 losses they are 13th. Losses don't hurt MD. Why? Some would say because they pass the eye test. Others would say that the media is going to vote for the top teams in the B1G, regardless of their record.
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I have no idea what the AP has to do with any of your original "argument." Particularly since the AP poll has nothing to do with picking the tourney teams or the NCAA committee rankings.

But if you just want to pull random unrelated items together and yell "bias!" or "conspiracy!" go right ahead.
 
Alydar said:
Take Maryland. pre-season AP No 5. By week 5 they were 8-2. Two losses but still No 8. At week 10 they were 12-4. Two more losses but they stay at No 8. In the same 10 week period UConn lost 3 games and dropped from 2nd to 9th, behind 4 loss MD. It wasn't until MD lost games 5 & 6 that they slid down to 17th, and now, with 7 losses they are 13th. Losses don't hurt MD. Why? Some would say because they pass the eye test. Others would say that the media is going to vote for the top teams in the B1G, regardless of their record.
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Not sure how the AP poll relates to the original point, but Maryland's first two losses were to NC State and Stanford, and that was after they beat an AP top 10 team in Baylor. Maryland's next two losses were to South Carolina and Indiana.

UConn's schedule was nowhere near this difficult. UConn did not beat any top 10 teams in that part of the season and lost to a then-unranked team in GT, and it's generally to be expected that teams drop farther for losing to unranked teams as opposed to losing to top 5 or top 10 teams. I'm just not seeing the conspiracy here.
 
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Plebe said:
Not sure how the AP poll relates to the original point, but Maryland's first two losses were to NC State and Stanford, and that was after they beat an AP top 10 team in Baylor. Maryland's next two losses were to South Carolina and Indiana.

UConn's schedule was nowhere near this difficult. UConn did not beat any top 10 teams in that part of the season and lost to a then-unranked team in GT, and it's generally to be expected that teams drop farther for losing to unranked teams as opposed to losing to top 5 or top 10 teams. I'm just not seeing the conspiracy here.
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B10 has some good teams at the top, but from what Ive seen, way overrated. Many good teams are outside Power 5. Maybe they are not great, but Weaker power 5 teams somehow rewarded for losing to power 5 teams, even those with below .500 records in conference, which is absurd.
 
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Alydar said:
A loss for the NCAA. Do you know if ESPN loses money? I'll wager not.
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if Espn made so much money they would put the ntl title on ABC, a channel where everyone can access. They obviously don't think it's worth it.
 
darkstar1 said:
B10 has some good teams at the top, but from what Ive seen, way overrated. Many good teams are outside Power 5. Maybe they are not great, but Weaker power 5 teams somehow rewarded for losing to power 5 teams, even those with below .500 records in conference, which is absurd.
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On the men's side, Xavier is 7-9 in the Big East and yet they're (deservedly IMO) projected as a 7 seed. Seton Hall, at 8-8, is projected as an 8 seed.

I'm not going to defend the mediocrity of some of the bubble teams on the women's side, but I don't buy into this arbitrary threshold of a .500 record in conference.
 
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visitingcock said:
Should be a rule that no conference member with less than .500 winning percentage in conference is eligible.
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Disagree. What if SC would have finished 7-9 for some reason in the SEC? That would be ridiculous to say SC should not make the tournament after evaluating what they did in the nonconference. Conference play is only part of the equation.
 
jchuskie said:
if Espn made so much money they would put the ntl title on ABC, a channel where everyone can access. They obviously don't think it's worth it.
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Men's Final Four this year is being broadcast on TBS, so not everyone will have access to the men's championship game this year.
www.ncaa.com

March Madness Final Four: Broadcast info

A complete listing of broadcast information for the men’s DI college basketball championship.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com
 
dabears17 said:
Men's Final Four this year is being broadcast on TBS, so not everyone will have access to the men's championship game this year.
www.ncaa.com

March Madness Final Four: Broadcast info

A complete listing of broadcast information for the men’s DI college basketball championship.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com
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that's a contract they made that paid out big money, they have a deal where they alternate the ntl title and selection sunday. Name me the last time they put the ntl title on Abc for the women? Or any local channel?
 
shiverz45 said:
Disagree. What if SC would have finished 7-9 for some reason in the SEC? That would be ridiculous to say SC should not make the tournament after evaluating what they did in the nonconference. Conference play is only part of the equation.
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LOL SC could've lost its entire starting 5 to injury and still win at least 8 games in the SEC.
 
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Monte said:
Geno should make the final decision whether Paige should play or not. He should first consult with her parents, the doctors, the assistant coaches, and Paige herself.
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Kinda.

Starting with "the doctors": they say no it's no. Period. That's not a consult it's an absolute. They say yes, or more likely "yes, but ..", (combination of professionalism, concern and CYA), proceed to next step.

"Parents" obviously can come forward one way or the other, but only if they choose to intervene. They won't (with Paige directly perhaps, but not with Geno). But, like the doctors, parents say no to Geno and it's no. Otherwise, proceed to next step.

"Assistant coaches" and other staff, sure, Geno should always hear them. "Listen to them" is his choice. "Agree" is his choice. Not really a step one way or another, so no matter what they say proceed to next step.

Paige says no, or she's uncertain, or yes but Geno doesn't believe her, it's no. Period. Paige says yes, proceed to next step.

Here you have it absolutely right: get to this step and it's Geno alone. One of the reasons he deserves every dollar he is paid and a lot more. I personally wouldn't take the job for twice the money. God bless him.
 
jchuskie said:
that's a contract they made that paid out big money, they have a deal where they alternate the ntl title and selection sunday. Name me the last time they put the ntl title on Abc for the women? Or any local channel?
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CBS broadcast the national championship game through 1995, then ESPN got the rights to the women's tournament.

ABC broadcast 2 first round games and 4 sweet 16 games last year, including the UConn sweet 16 game.

List of NCAA Division I women's basketball tournament Final Four broadcasters - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

This article doesn't state it directly, but it sounds like ABC will show some games during the tournament this year.

www.cbssports.com

2022 Women's NCAA Tournament: How to watch, stream, schedule, dates, championship odds

The 2022 Women's NCAA Tournament gets underway on March 16 when the First Four games begin
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
And Sorry Baylor is not Baylor from last year….and without Kim Mulkey more so.
UCONN will be UCONN come March….
Again “never underestimate the heart of a CHAMPION”
Your predictions of how the Bridgeport will go are just that predictions….I expect tradition of UCONN and Geno and CD to show….it is already starting to show….and with Paige….and she will eventually return….rest assured people in their Region are understanding that the real UCONN is back!!!!
 
A few upsets last night as we come down the final stretch of conference games.

UCLA (12-11, 7-8) beats #12 Arizona (#2 seed in G'boro)
Vandy (13-16, 4-11) beats #15 Florida (#6 seed)
Florida State (on bubble, 15-12, 9-8) beats #22 GA Tech (#6 seed)
 
Joe Lunardi tweets throughout the night about how game results impact seeding and the bubbles, and almost daily posts a graphic of the Top 16 seeds in order and the bubble team summary on the men’s side. Creme just does his two weekly updates with very little in between. Wish we were getting a bit more detail at this time of year.
 
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UCBaller2012 said:
Joe Lunardi tweets throughout the night about how game results impact seeding and the bubbles, and almost daily posts a graphic of the Top 16 seeds in order and the bubble team summary on the men’s side. Creme just does his two weekly updates with very little in between. Wish we were getting a bit more detail at this time of year.
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Unfortunately not enough demand for it.
And then you’ve got all the conspiracy loons who think Creme is already too detailed.
 
UCBaller2012 said:
Joe Lunardi tweets throughout the night about how game results impact seeding and the bubbles, and almost daily posts a graphic of the Top 16 seeds in order and the bubble team summary on the men’s side. Creme just does his two weekly updates with very little in between. Wish we were getting a bit more detail at this time of year.
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I mean, how much tweeting is really needed? If you go to Creme's twitter he does post some stuff, plus he seems to be on every halftime studio show talking about the latest seed scenarios.

I give both him and Lunardi a lot of credit for entertaining the obsessive and often insulting fans barraging them with questions, complaints and accusations.
 
Bracketology updated - Texas up, Arizona down, 4 region moves, including UConn shifting to #3 in Greensboro.
 
I don't know the love of many teams Is not NET rankings a key point in the seedings? UConn now #5NET.

The big east down to 2.
 
Nick Pignatello said:
I don't know the love of many teams Is not NET rankings a key point in the seedings? UConn now #5NET.
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The NET also has North Carolina at #6 and BYU at #8. Does that mean they should be 2 seeds?

Folks ought to quit obsessing over the NET ranking because it doesn't determine seedings.
 
I'm convinced a lot of what Creme does is to spur conversation. Moving UCONN to Greensboro makes no sense!

The NCAA needs UCONN in the Bridgeport region. That's where UCONN will be, regardless of what seed the Huskies end up getting.
 
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