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HuskyHawk said:
I don’t like the return but I don’t mind moving on from a guy who wasn’t interested in doing what the team needed. They can use the savings to extend the young guys and maybe add a pitcher and backup catcher this summer. The offense doesn’t really need Devers.
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It's fine if you're okay with not winning any time soon and you're okay with taking a long term approach to try and win years down the road. They basically ruined their team short term to pay injured Alex Bregman the same amount as Aaron Judge per year.

The fanbase is melting down.
 
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It’s a disaster of a trade. You can try to spin it however you like, and reports are coming that Devers really wanted out, but the return is not even good for trading your franchise cornerstone. Banking on the young players is probably going to backfire, and I doubt we’ll be able to keep Bregman around.
 
The trade is a disaster. The only "positive" is that the Giants are eating the entirety of the deal. Who's the best power hitter on the team with Bregman out, Narvaez?!
 
superjohn said:
It's fine if you're okay with not winning any time soon and you're okay with taking a long term approach to try and win years down the road. They basically ruined their team short term to pay injured Alex Bregman the same amount as Aaron Judge per year.

The fanbase is melting down.
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That's nonsense. They can be a playoff team this year. Just need to have the young guys step up and get Bregman back.
I think the return was poor, but Harrison is talented and still young. The fanbase is childish, just like Devers.

Now, if Anthony doesn't start mashing and Bello doesn't get right they have problems. But they fleeced the Yankees and got what is one of the best young catchers in the game. The Crochet trade was a huge, huge win. Houck falling apart wasn't expected or Bregman getting hurt. I saw Mayer as a 3B not SS anyway, so he'll get that shot. I do wonder if Yoshida is close to being able to Dan Hurley again.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The fanbase is childish, just like Devers.
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The truth is, anyone who thinks this deal is acceptable or necessary needs to grow up. This franchise is a clown show. I though anyone would be a step up from Bloom. Wrong!
 
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So, three trades where the Sox gave up Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Rafael Devers.

1) For Betts they got Alex Verdugo (played 4 years and traded for Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice).
2) For Bogaerts, they let him walk in FA. Maybe not the star they thought but a career .287 hitter.
3) For Devers, they got LHP Kyle Harrison, RHP Jordan Hicks, OF James Tibbs, and RHP Jose Bello. All with some promise but appear to be pretty far from contributing in the bigs (I believe).

I'm honestly not trying to stir the pot, but as a Mets fan who lived through terrible ownership/GM's, these moves are not moves you make to contend as a top tier franchise. They're money dumps that don't make you better on the field.
 
Waquoit said:
The truth is, anyone who thinks this deal is acceptable or necessary needs to grow up. This franchise is a clown show. I though anyone would be a step up from Bloom. Wrong!
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I think it was necessary. Remains to be seen how it plays out. Harrison was mentioned with Paul Skenes as the best pitching prospect in baseball a couple of years ago. He's 23. If he develops into an ace as was originally expected, the team is better for this trade.

I'm not worried about filling Dan Hurley. Abreu and Bregman are due back, Yoshida can hit, Garcia is mashing in AAA and even Blaze Jordan is finally looking good. The team is loaded with position player talent. They needed pitching.

@Deepster Hicks is 28. He's a failed starter who looks good a middle reliever (which Boston needs). Harrison isn't "far" he was a top prospect who has struggled since being called up last year, but then so did Crochet in Chicago in 2023.
 
Jeff Passan compared the Devers trade to the Stanton trade from Miami to the Yankees. Some years good and other years very bad. I just see it as the Sox getting rid of a malcontent and having the Giants pick up his salary. IMO, you can't have a malcontent around all those young players. I'm certainly not melting down over this trade although it does not look favorable in trade values at this time.
 
No matter who’s in charge of the Sox, the game plan remains the same when they get rid of a good player. Completely trash the man after he’s gone. They don’t need a malcontent around the young players who if they totally pan out might be as good as he is now? Please, what is this daycare? Devers is still a young player, and he didn’t become malcontented in a vacuum.
 
Deepster said:
So, three trades where the Sox gave up Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Rafael Devers.

1) For Betts they got Alex Verdugo (played 4 years and traded for Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice).
2) For Bogaerts, they let him walk in FA. Maybe not the star they thought but a career .287 hitter.
3) For Devers, they got LHP Kyle Harrison, RHP Jordan Hicks, OF James Tibbs, and RHP Jose Bello. All with some promise but appear to be pretty far from contributing in the bigs (I believe).

I'm honestly not trying to stir the pot, but as a Mets fan who lived through terrible ownership/GM's, these moves are not moves you make to contend as a top tier franchise. They're money dumps that don't make you better on the field.
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They're a .500 team the past seven years since they won the World Series and they no longer keep their best players. Some fans can spin anything but most fans recognize what's happened.
 
Bill Simmons is claiming Henry is reducing bear term Red Sox financial obligations as part of a move to help Liverpool. They're negotiating a player transfer that will cost roughly 100 million euro (plus that player's new contract).
 
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Waquoit said:
No matter who’s in charge of the Sox, the game plan remains the same when they get rid of a good player. Completely trash the man after he’s gone. They don’t need a malcontent around the young players who if they totally pan out might be as good as he is now? Please, what is this daycare? Devers is still a young player, and he didn’t become malcontented in a vacuum.
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Nobody trashed Mookie. That was the big mistake, not paying him. Fantastic player. Never heard anything bad about him. Not paying Bogaerts was absolutely the right move. The mistake was not trading him and losing him for nothing, but they kept him to placate the fans after the Mookie trade. Same reason they extended Devers, despite his liabilities on defense. Nobody "trashed" Bogaerts, we just knew he wasn't all that good. Devers is a hell of a hitter, but a guy that won't play the field has limited value. He's not a leader and I think that's the issue with all the young guys. Bregman is a leader.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Devers is a hell of a hitter, but a guy that won't play the field has limited value. He's not a leader and I think that's the issue with all the young guys. Bregman is a leader.
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Well, David Ortiz didn't play the field either....
 
FSG won't get another dime of my money, what an absolute joke of a move that is.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Nobody trashed Mookie. That was the big mistake, not paying him. Fantastic player. Never heard anything bad about him. Not paying Bogaerts was absolutely the right move. The mistake was not trading him and losing him for nothing, but they kept him to placate the fans after the Mookie trade. Same reason they extended Devers, despite his liabilities on defense. Nobody "trashed" Bogaerts, we just knew he wasn't all that good. Devers is a hell of a hitter, but a guy that won't play the field has limited value. He's not a leader and I think that's the issue with all the young guys. Bregman is a leader.
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There were shots at Mookie. Nothing like the way they trashed Terry Francona, though. Leadership is hitting the ball. They say Trevor Story is a leader, great.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Bill Simmons is claiming Henry is reducing bear term Red Sox financial obligations as part of a move to help Liverpool. They're negotiating a player transfer that will cost roughly 100 million euro (plus that player's new contract).
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That's nonsense. It doesn't work that way.
 
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Waquoit said:
There were shots at Mookie. Nothing like the way they trashed Terry Francona, though. Leadership is hitting the ball. They say Trevor Story is a leader, great.
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There's a long standing tradition of the Sox and messy divorces - Clemens, Nomar, Mo Vaughn....
 
HuskyHawk said:
I think it was necessary. Remains to be seen how it plays out. Harrison was mentioned with Paul Skenes as the best pitching prospect in baseball a couple of years ago. He's 23. If he develops into an ace as was originally expected, the team is better for this trade.

I'm not worried about filling Dan Hurley. Abreu and Bregman are due back, Yoshida can hit, Garcia is mashing in AAA and even Blaze Jordan is finally looking good. The team is loaded with position player talent. They needed pitching.

@Deepster Hicks is 28. He's a failed starter who looks good a middle reliever (which Boston needs). Harrison isn't "far" he was a top prospect who has struggled since being called up last year, but then so did Crochet in Chicago in 2023.
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Yoshida has produced in 2+ years what Devers does in an average year. Same with Story in 3+ years. Yoshida isn't fast and has one of the poorest arms so he is a a well below averaged Dan Hurley.
They're not winning a world series this year, so who cares if Bregman is back because he is opting out and leaving town. He loves Cora, but he is at the beginning of the 2nd half of his career and he wants playoffs and chances at the WS, which isn't happening anytime soon. Chapman, Wilson and potentially Duran are the next to go, and probably won't be able to get out from Story's and Yoshida's bad contracts in those deals unless they take no high end prospects in those deals.
Finally, Boston is no longer a prime destination for free agents. Remember, Bregman kind of ended up in Boston by process of elimination. I get Ortiz's comments, but he wasn't moved asked to move twice and he has talked about how becoming a full time Dan Hurley was a big change mentally for him in his approach and it took some time to accept it and he had to play first in some games of the World Series if he wanted to play at all.
 
Deepster said:
So, three trades where the Sox gave up Mookie Betts, Xander Bogaerts and Rafael Devers.

1) For Betts they got Alex Verdugo (played 4 years and traded for Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice).
2) For Bogaerts, they let him walk in FA. Maybe not the star they thought but a career .287 hitter.
3) For Devers, they got LHP Kyle Harrison, RHP Jordan Hicks, OF James Tibbs, and RHP Jose Bello. All with some promise but appear to be pretty far from contributing in the bigs (I believe).

I'm honestly not trying to stir the pot, but as a Mets fan who lived through terrible ownership/GM's, these moves are not moves you make to contend as a top tier franchise. They're money dumps that don't make you better on the field.
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Exactly, you’re spot on. As a Sox fan, we’re operating like a mid-market team. Incredibly disappointing
 
Spaceman213J said:
Yoshida has produced in 2+ years what Devers does in an average year. Same with Story in 3+ years. Yoshida isn't fast and has one of the poorest arms so he is a a well below averaged Dan Hurley.
They're not winning a world series this year, so who cares if Bregman is back because he is opting out and leaving town. He loves Cora, but he is at the beginning of the 2nd half of his career and he wants playoffs and chances at the WS, which isn't happening anytime soon. Chapman, Wilson and potentially Duran are the next to go, and probably won't be able to get out from Story's and Yoshida's bad contracts in those deals unless they take no high end prospects in those deals.
Finally, Boston is no longer a prime destination for free agents. Remember, Bregman kind of ended up in Boston by process of elimination. I get Ortiz's comments, but he wasn't moved asked to move twice and he has talked about how becoming a full time Dan Hurley was a big change mentally for him in his approach and it took some time to accept it and he had to play first in some games of the World Series if he wanted to play at all.
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You're entitled to these opinions. But they aren't facts.

1. Yoshida hasn't been healthy. When healthy his production has been quite good. Not Devers good, but good.
2. Story - same as above. Plays strong defense and is a solid contributor when he's not hurt.
3. Bregman was begging to come to Boston. He loves Fenway and Cora. The reason it took so long to sign him is because it meant moving Devers to Dan Hurley and he's such a crybaby they weren't sure he'd be willing. I think the Sox also see Mayer as a third baseman long term and there are some very good shortstops coming up.
4. Sox aren't going to be net sellers at the deadline unless they collapse. They do have a surplus of outfielders. So maybe someone is moved to shore up weakness elsewhere, first base, pitching, backup catcher. I think this lets them keep Duran.

My sense of this is that the Abreu, Bregman and Casas injuries accelerated the youth movement that was always coming. Now the choice is to send those guys back or create roster flexibility that allows them to get regular at bats. They will sink or swim with mostly young position players and starters.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
You're entitled to these opinions. But they aren't facts.

1. Yoshida hasn't been healthy. When healthy his production has been quite good. Not Devers good, but good.
2. Story - same as above. Plays strong defense and is a solid contributor when he's not hurt.
3. Bregman was begging to come to Boston. He loves Fenway and Cora. The reason it took so long to sign him is because it meant moving Devers to Dan Hurley and he's such a crybaby they weren't sure he'd be willing. I think the Sox also see Mayer as a third baseman long term and there are some very good shortstops coming up.
4. Sox aren't going to be net sellers at the deadline unless they collapse. They do have a surplus of outfielders. So maybe someone is moved to shore up weakness elsewhere, first base, pitching, backup catcher. I think this lets them keep Duran.

My sense of this is that the Abreu, Bregman and Casas injuries accelerated the youth movement that was always coming. Now the choice is to send those guys back or create roster flexibility that allows them to get regular at bats. They will sink or swim with mostly young position players and starters.
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IF they were serious about contending you would have eaten some money on Raffy's deal and gotten a better return. Or, I don't know, called another team or two because that return is awful and matches what they've done when dumping Mookie and Sale.

Harrison WAS a top prospect but he's going to likely become a reliever as he only has 1 pitch worth a damn. Maybe Bailey can get get some kind of secondary offering out of him, but SF is pretty solid on the pitching dev side and they didn't do it.

Hicks sucks. And the other guys are lottery tickets not above A+ ball. That's great that Tibbs is another LF OF, just what we need.
 
. That's great that Tibbs is another LF OF, just what we need.


I liked what Tibbs could do when I watched Florida State against UConn last year. But I have read that there are doubts about his swing at the MLB level.
 
HuskyHawk said:
You're entitled to these opinions. But they aren't facts.

1. Yoshida hasn't been healthy. When healthy his production has been quite good. Not Devers good, but good.
2. Story - same as above. Plays strong defense and is a solid contributor when he's not hurt.
3. Bregman was begging to come to Boston. He loves Fenway and Cora. The reason it took so long to sign him is because it meant moving Devers to Dan Hurley and he's such a crybaby they weren't sure he'd be willing. I think the Sox also see Mayer as a third baseman long term and there are some very good shortstops coming up.
4. Sox aren't going to be net sellers at the deadline unless they collapse. They do have a surplus of outfielders. So maybe someone is moved to shore up weakness elsewhere, first base, pitching, backup catcher. I think this lets them keep Duran.

My sense of this is that the Abreu, Bregman and Casas injuries accelerated the youth movement that was always coming. Now the choice is to send those guys back or create roster flexibility that allows them to get regular at bats. They will sink or swim with mostly young position players and starters.
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Yoshida is a weak slugging base clogger with a Johnny Damon like arm for a corner outfielder. For a Dan Hurley, he is below the league average.
Story is hitting .235 and may strike out 200 times this season.
Bregman has been great and better than I thought he would be but he's going to go after one season unless he gets the $250 million they just saved trading Devers. It may cost more than that on a guy who is 3 years older than Devers. Still, Bregman wants to win, and that still may not be enough so I'd bet if he's healthy he walks and never looks back.
If Breslow is smart, than they should be selling (Chapman, Wilson and Bregman) at the deadline because they are at least 3-4 years away from having a chance to contend and could maybe speed that up if they use these guys to get some actual good young pitching unlike in the Devers deal.
 
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