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The Official 2025 Boston Red Sox Thread

As a fan, all I can see is aimless, money driven decisions. They sold off arguably their most productive offensive player for a grab bag of garbage pitching. Somebody that wants to win rather than milk the brand needs to own the franchise.
 
Spaceman213J said:
Yoshida is a weak slugging base clogger with a Johnny Damon like arm for a corner outfielder. For a Dan Hurley, he is below the league average.
Story is hitting .235 and may strike out 200 times this season.
Bregman has been great and better than I thought he would be but he's going to go after one season unless he gets the $250 million they just saved trading Devers. It may cost more than that on a guy who is 3 years older than Devers. Still, Bregman wants to win, and that still may not be enough so I'd bet if he's healthy he walks and never looks back.
If Breslow is smart, than they should be selling (Chapman, Wilson and Bregman) at the deadline because they are at least 3-4 years away from having a chance to contend and could maybe speed that up if they use these guys to get some actual good young pitching unlike in the Devers deal.
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With a healthy shoulder, Yoshida actually has some pop. But he's an elite contact hitter, which a team like the Yankees could really use right now.
Story had the worst slump of his career, but he's out of it now and mashing.
They aren't selling, although they could package an outfielder and pitcher for someone like Rhys Hoskins. They have so much depth those moves are easy now.
This team is a contender, right now in 2025. 3-4 years away are you on acid? If Houck and Duran were playing to what they did last year this team would have the 2nd best record in the AL.
If you don't think Kyle Harrison is "good young pitching" then you don't know anything about baseball. The rotation is young and the best they've had in a long time if Houck can figure things out. Bello just blanked the Mariners yesterday after dominating the Yankees last week.
 
HuskyHawk said:
With a healthy shoulder, Yoshida actually has some pop. But he's an elite contact hitter, which a team like the Yankees could really use right now.
Story had the worst slump of his career, but he's out of it now and mashing.
They aren't selling, although they could package an outfielder and pitcher for someone like Rhys Hoskins. They have so much depth those moves are easy now.
This team is a contender, right now in 2025. 3-4 years away are you on acid? If Houck and Duran were playing to what they did last year this team would have the 2nd best record in the AL.
If you don't think Kyle Harrison is "good young pitching" then you don't know anything about baseball. The rotation is young and the best they've had in a long time if Houck can figure things out. Bello just blanked the Mariners yesterday after dominating the Yankees last week.
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Bello has indeed been much better in his last two outings, but it was Giolito who pitched in Seattle last night ;)
 
BlueWolf25 said:
Bello has indeed been much better in his last two outings, but it was Giolito who pitched in Seattle last night ;)
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Damn you are right. But still, encouraging. The whole staff is clicking right now. Sox are 4th in runs scored in all of MLB. Timely hitting has been an issue, but it's really the only reason they aren't closer to 1st in all of MLB. Pitching has been the issue.

Hicks has strong numbers as a 2 inning relief pitcher, bad numbers as a starter. I think he can help in a relief role. If Harrison can lock down a starting role, you can trade Walker Buehler and the staff starts to look quite good.
 
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Waquoit said:
How would that effect trading you best player for a bag of used balls?
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Reading clips from yesterday's presser, it frees up the money they had on Devers to go after some big names with big contracts.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Damn you are right. But still, encouraging. The whole staff is clicking right now. Sox are 4th in runs scored in all of MLB. Timely hitting has been an issue, but it's really the only reason they aren't closer to 1st in all of MLB. Pitching has been the issue.

Hicks has strong numbers as a 2 inning relief pitcher, bad numbers as a starter. I think he can help in a relief role. If Harrison can lock down a starting role, you can trade Walker Buehler and the staff starts to look quite good.
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Defense is also a big issue, most errors in the league. Timely hitting and striking out (3rd most strikeouts in the league) are hurting the offense in a big way, and losing your best run producer won’t help. I want to be as optimistic as you are, but I’m struggling to believe that an offense of Romy, Ref, Toro and a bunch of rookies will be able to keep this up consistently
 
HuskyHawk said:
Story had the worst slump of his career, but he's out of it now and mashing.
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Story is mashing? He's hitting .232, is on pace to strikeout around 200 times on the season and has a -9.0 WAR batting for his position.

Devers got out to a historically bad slump and at least got his average up over .270 and still on pace to hit 30+ homeruns.

Harrison may end up being a decent piece, but the other 3 don't project as much.

The bottom line is Henry and the GM did not want to give Devers the contract in the first place but felt the pressure after letting Betts go for nothing via trade and letting Xander walk There have been several articles about how poorly Devers was treated by management behind the scenes and the way they talked about him. Enjoy Anthony while you can, because if he turns into the star everyone thinks he will be, he'll be wearing Dodger blue in about 7 years unless Henry sells the team.
 
Hearing lots of chatter about the timing of Devers trade, the money the Sox ownership freed up and the money they just spent on the record breaking 200m contract for Florian Wirtz on Liverpool FC (also owned by Henry).

Some feel that the Sox are heading to an average/below average period and Liverpool is on the rise so the money (and moves) follow that trend.
 
Spaceman213J said:
Story is mashing? He's hitting .232, is on pace to strikeout around 200 times on the season and has a -9.0 WAR batting for his position.

Devers got out to a historically bad slump and at least got his average up over .270 and still on pace to hit 30+ homeruns.

Harrison may end up being a decent piece, but the other 3 don't project as much.

The bottom line is Henry and the GM did not want to give Devers the contract in the first place but felt the pressure after letting Betts go for nothing via trade and letting Xander walk There have been several articles about how poorly Devers was treated by management behind the scenes and the way they talked about him. Enjoy Anthony while you can, because if he turns into the star everyone thinks he will be, he'll be wearing Dodger blue in about 7 years unless Henry sells the team.
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Do you follow the team? Story is hitting .296 in June with 2 HR and 13 RBI. Still striking out too much.

I agree they didn't want to give Devers that contract. Now they are out of it. Meanwhile the actual players seem to think losing Devers is no big deal. It seems he didn't have a lot of fans in the clubhouse. My view of him is that he's simple. Probably an IQ around 85. Ortiz tried to help him. I'm not worried about Anthony or trading aging stars away. They should have traded Xander but Sox fans are so needlessly emotional about those things that they lost him for nothing. I have believed for decades that the MLB union contract results in many players who should be DFA taking up roster spots while better players are in the minors. It's utterly broken. The days of Rice, Yaz and Pedroia being on one team their whole careers is over.

Hicks has a strong track record as a reliever, which is what he will be doing. He was a lousy starter. He can help.
 
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Deepster said:
Hearing lots of chatter about the timing of Devers trade, the money the Sox ownership freed up and the money they just spent on the record breaking 200m contract for Florian Wirtz on Liverpool FC (also owned by Henry).

Some feel that the Sox are heading to an average/below average period and Liverpool is on the rise so the money (and moves) follow that trend.
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According to those in this thread that isn't how it works. As the money ultimately comes from (or goes to) Henry's pockets I believe that there could be something to this but.......
 
FfldCntyFan said:
According to those in this thread that isn't how it works. As the money ultimately comes from (or goes to) Henry's pockets I believe that there could be something to this but.......
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Yeah, I don't really know either way.

Even if the money doesn't actually move in a coordinated way, it could be safe to say his interest and energy may be focused more on one than the other.
 
The level of cope from fans in this thread is 100x better than I expected. Trying to spin this as good is hilarious
 
FfldCntyFan said:
According to those in this thread that isn't how it works. As the money ultimately comes from (or goes to) Henry's pockets I believe that there could be something to this but.......
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Here's a few things to consider: English soccer has rules about bringing in outside money for payroll. A couple of teams just got hammered for doing it. And this transfer fee is usually paid all at once up front. The cost savings from canning Devers only comes from not having to pay him anymore, it's not like they get a wad of cash.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Reading clips from yesterday's presser, it frees up the money they had on Devers to go after some big names with big contracts.
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Maybe they can get a guy leading the league in homers and ribbies.
 
Waquoit said:
Here's a few things to consider: English soccer has rules about bringing in outside money for payroll. A couple of teams just got hammered for doing it. And this transfer fee is usually paid all at once up front. The cost savings from canning Devers only comes from not having to pay him anymore, it's not like they get a wad of cash.
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FFP regs work over rolling three year windows and costs (current salaries and and amortized transfer fees) can exceed revenues by three million euro over any season.

That aside, ridding his baseball team of nearly $300 million in future obligations would give him a bit more flexibility to take risks with his EPL club.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
FFP regs work over rolling three year windows and costs (current salaries and and amortized transfer fees) can exceed revenues by three million euro over any season.

That aside, ridding his baseball team of nearly $300 million in future obligations would give him a bit more flexibility to take risks with his EPL club.
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That's not it but you know what might be? FSG is close to buying a French team, it might help there.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Do you follow the team? Story is hitting .296 in June with 2 HR and 13 RBI. Still striking out too much.
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14 games isn't a big sample size. Rudy Pemberton hit .512 in 13 games in 1996. Story was trending down when he left Colorado and I wasn't a big fan of his signing then.

You're right about there being no more Pedroia, Rice or Yaz type players spending a career in Boston.. at least with Henry & co. running the team. You have to treat players with respect to have any chance and even then it is really rare. But let's see what happens with Kershaw, Judge, Ramirez, Altuve and a few others who have been treated pretty well by their ownership.
 
With a bright smile to match his bright new No. 16 jersey, Devers insisted he would play any position -- "I'm here to play wherever they want me to play" -- and do whatever manager Bob Melvin and his staff ask.
 
Deepster said:
With a bright smile to match his bright new No. 16 jersey, Devers insisted he would play any position -- "I'm here to play wherever they want me to play" -- and do whatever manager Bob Melvin and his staff ask.
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And I thought you weren’t here to stir the pot.

Devers is a good hitter but a classless fool.
 
HCCForever said:
Devers is a good hitter but a classless fool.
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I think calling him a classless fool is a little harsh.
He wanted out of Boston after the way he was treated by Henry, Cherington and now Brewslow and Henry wanted to be free of the contract before the ink was dry on the extension. If management had just traded him in the off-season, even before the Bregman signing, when the first rumblings of Devers wanting out started, they could have gotten much more. Then after the Casas injury, he said no to moving and for whatever reason they began a publicity war with Devers to try to shame him into playing first. All it did was hurt Devers trade value.
Devers could have handled this much better, but so could have the fools in the front office. I give a little slack to the guy who, yes is uneducated, but has been playing baseball fulltime since before he was 16 years old. What is the excuse for Henry, Cherington and Breslow.
Henry went from an owner ahead of his time in 2004, now to being light years behind and damaging what was one of the premier franchises in MLB.
 
HCCForever said:
And I thought you weren’t here to stir the pot.

Devers is a good hitter but a classless fool.
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Yeah. That one stirred the pot, I guess. More of an indication on what kind of jack hole Devers is though.
 
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Since he plays for the Giants, I no longer care about Devers whatsoever. Reports are that Harrison will be up soon, probably after July 4, so the Sox get an extra year of control. Buehler pooped the bed yesterday and Fitts has been good. Houck is rehabbing. Some pitchers will be moved or DFA to make room for Harrison. I'm excited to see the kid.

Hicks is working back from injury too and will join the bullpen. Today's lineup has Campbell in CF and I don't get that at all. Duran is the better CF. Do they do this so he doesn't move back and forth from CF to LF when Rafaella plays? Once Abreu is back he should be in RF where he won a gold glove. Anthony should slot into LF and hold it down for a decade. CF can go to Duran/Rafaella with Duran DHing at times. Refsnyder destroys Lefties and Masa destroys righties so they could also platoon at Dan Hurley. Once Bregman is back you need to find room for Mayer and Story, plus Campbell. Long story short, even with Devers gone, there are too many guys who should be every day starters.
 
navery12 said:
The level of cope from fans in this thread is 100x better than I expected. Trying to spin this as good is hilarious
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It's hilarious. They let Mookie go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let JD Martinez go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let Sale go and he wins the Cy Young and is kicking butt again this season. They just let their best player go and HuskyHawk is tying himself in a pretzel defending it.

I'm a Yankees fan and realize we have the same incredibly flawed team which will always fall short. There's no way to defend it.

Boston is no longer a place for great players and some are trying to defend what they're doing.
 
Spaceman213J said:
I think calling him a classless fool is a little harsh.
He wanted out of Boston after the way he was treated by Henry, Cherington and now Brewslow and Henry wanted to be free of the contract before the ink was dry on the extension. If management had just traded him in the off-season, even before the Bregman signing, when the first rumblings of Devers wanting out started, they could have gotten much more. Then after the Casas injury, he said no to moving and for whatever reason they began a publicity war with Devers to try to shame him into playing first. All it did was hurt Devers trade value.
Devers could have handled this much better, but so could have the fools in the front office. I give a little slack to the guy who, yes is uneducated, but has been playing baseball fulltime since before he was 16 years old. What is the excuse for Henry, Cherington and Breslow.
Henry went from an owner ahead of his time in 2004, now to being light years behind and damaging what was one of the premier franchises in MLB.
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That is the crazy passion of a Sox fan but I'm over it now and could have chosen better words.
 
superjohn said:
It's hilarious. They let Mookie go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let JD Martinez go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let Sale go and he wins the Cy Young and is kicking butt again this season. They just let their best player go and HuskyHawk is tying himself in a pretzel defending it.

I'm a Yankees fan and realize we have the same incredibly flawed team which will always fall short. There's no way to defend it.

Boston is no longer a place for great players and some are trying to defend what they're doing.
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Mookie we all agree on. Huge mistake. High character player who is good at every phase of the game. Absolutely a guy you make the centerpiece of your franchise.

Sale was always good, just always hurt. They shopped him because he made a lot of money and almost never pitched. It wasn't a misevaluation of talent. Grissom not winning the 2B job is the only real mistake there. They were desperate for 2B help and had nobody in the system.

JD had a good year in the best lineup in baseball. But the decline was coming and there weren't a lot of teams clamoring for him. He wasn't traded, he was a free agent. They went with Turner, who can play 1B also had a good year for Boston.

That 2023 team was a placeholder roster while they waited for the young guys to be ready. Yoshida and Casas had good rookie years, Duran broke out. In 2025 I'm excited to see the young guys they called up get at bats. I am thrilled with Navarez, you want to talk about bad trades, the Yankees must be pissed. I'm excited to see what Harrison can be, added to Crochet. I didn't expect much from Dobbins, but he's looking good too. So yeah, I don't think losing Devers will matter much.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Mookie we all agree on. Huge mistake. High character player who is good at every phase of the game. Absolutely a guy you make the centerpiece of your franchise.

Sale was always good, just always hurt. They shopped him because he made a lot of money and almost never pitched. It wasn't a misevaluation of talent. Grissom not winning the 2B job is the only real mistake there. They were desperate for 2B help and had nobody in the system.

JD had a good year in the best lineup in baseball. But the decline was coming and there weren't a lot of teams clamoring for him. He wasn't traded, he was a free agent. They went with Turner, who can play 1B also had a good year for Boston.

That 2023 team was a placeholder roster while they waited for the young guys to be ready. Yoshida and Casas had good rookie years, Duran broke out. In 2025 I'm excited to see the young guys they called up get at bats. I am thrilled with Navarez, you want to talk about bad trades, the Yankees must be pissed. I'm excited to see what Harrison can be, added to Crochet. I didn't expect much from Dobbins, but he's looking good too. So yeah, I don't think losing Devers will matter much.
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I didn't say JD was traded. The Red Sox paid Sale to win CY Young for another team.

You don't think losing your best player will matter much. You guys have had a lot of placeholder rosters lately.

I'm of the opinion you would've been much better off trying to win with your best players.
 
superjohn said:
I didn't say JD was traded. The Red Sox paid Sale to win CY Young for another team.

You don't think losing your best player will matter much. You guys have had a lot of placeholder rosters lately.

I'm of the opinion you would've been much better off trying to win with your best players.
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They needed pitching a lot more than they needed a Dan Hurley. Platoon Refsnyder/Yoshida at Dan Hurley and you have 85% of Devers and you’ve added a very good hard throwing RP and a very talented young SP. The team is better. They were only ever going to go as far as the young players would take them anyway. Up 3-1, Mayer homered again.
 
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