The Official 2025 Boston Red Sox Thread

[Waquoit]

According to those in this thread that isn't how it works. As the money ultimately comes from (or goes to) Henry's pockets I believe that there could be something to this but.......

Here's a few things to consider: English soccer has rules about bringing in outside money for payroll. A couple of teams just got hammered for doing it. And this transfer fee is usually paid all at once up front. The cost savings from canning Devers only comes from not having to pay him anymore, it's not like they get a wad of cash.

 

[Waquoit]

Reading clips from yesterday's presser, it frees up the money they had on Devers to go after some big names with big contracts.

Maybe they can get a guy leading the league in homers and ribbies.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Here's a few things to consider: English soccer has rules about bringing in outside money for payroll. A couple of teams just got hammered for doing it. And this transfer fee is usually paid all at once up front. The cost savings from canning Devers only comes from not having to pay him anymore, it's not like they get a wad of cash.

FFP regs work over rolling three year windows and costs (current salaries and and amortized transfer fees) can exceed revenues by three million euro over any season.

That aside, ridding his baseball team of nearly $300 million in future obligations would give him a bit more flexibility to take risks with his EPL club.

 

[Waquoit]

FFP regs work over rolling three year windows and costs (current salaries and and amortized transfer fees) can exceed revenues by three million euro over any season.

That aside, ridding his baseball team of nearly $300 million in future obligations would give him a bit more flexibility to take risks with his EPL club.

That's not it but you know what might be? FSG is close to buying a French team, it might help there.

 

[Spaceman213J]

Do you follow the team? Story is hitting .296 in June with 2 HR and 13 RBI. Still striking out too much.

14 games isn't a big sample size. Rudy Pemberton hit .512 in 13 games in 1996. Story was trending down when he left Colorado and I wasn't a big fan of his signing then.

You're right about there being no more Pedroia, Rice or Yaz type players spending a career in Boston.. at least with Henry & co. running the team. You have to treat players with respect to have any chance and even then it is really rare. But let's see what happens with Kershaw, Judge, Ramirez, Altuve and a few others who have been treated pretty well by their ownership.

 

[Deepster]

With a bright smile to match his bright new No. 16 jersey, Devers insisted he would play any position -- "I'm here to play wherever they want me to play" -- and do whatever manager Bob Melvin and his staff ask.

 

[HCCForever]

With a bright smile to match his bright new No. 16 jersey, Devers insisted he would play any position -- "I'm here to play wherever they want me to play" -- and do whatever manager Bob Melvin and his staff ask.

And I thought you weren’t here to stir the pot.

Devers is a good hitter but a classless fool.

 

[Spaceman213J]

Devers is a good hitter but a classless fool.

I think calling him a classless fool is a little harsh.
He wanted out of Boston after the way he was treated by Henry, Cherington and now Brewslow and Henry wanted to be free of the contract before the ink was dry on the extension. If management had just traded him in the off-season, even before the Bregman signing, when the first rumblings of Devers wanting out started, they could have gotten much more. Then after the Casas injury, he said no to moving and for whatever reason they began a publicity war with Devers to try to shame him into playing first. All it did was hurt Devers trade value.
Devers could have handled this much better, but so could have the fools in the front office. I give a little slack to the guy who, yes is uneducated, but has been playing baseball fulltime since before he was 16 years old. What is the excuse for Henry, Cherington and Breslow.
Henry went from an owner ahead of his time in 2004, now to being light years behind and damaging what was one of the premier franchises in MLB.

 

[Deepster]

And I thought you weren’t here to stir the pot.

Devers is a good hitter but a classless fool.

Yeah. That one stirred the pot, I guess. More of an indication on what kind of jack hole Devers is though.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Since he plays for the Giants, I no longer care about Devers whatsoever. Reports are that Harrison will be up soon, probably after July 4, so the Sox get an extra year of control. Buehler pooped the bed yesterday and Fitts has been good. Houck is rehabbing. Some pitchers will be moved or DFA to make room for Harrison. I'm excited to see the kid.

Hicks is working back from injury too and will join the bullpen. Today's lineup has Campbell in CF and I don't get that at all. Duran is the better CF. Do they do this so he doesn't move back and forth from CF to LF when Rafaella plays? Once Abreu is back he should be in RF where he won a gold glove. Anthony should slot into LF and hold it down for a decade. CF can go to Duran/Rafaella with Duran DHing at times. Refsnyder destroys Lefties and Masa destroys righties so they could also platoon at Dan Hurley. Once Bregman is back you need to find room for Mayer and Story, plus Campbell. Long story short, even with Devers gone, there are too many guys who should be every day starters.

 

[superjohn]

The level of cope from fans in this thread is 100x better than I expected. Trying to spin this as good is hilarious

It's hilarious. They let Mookie go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let JD Martinez go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let Sale go and he wins the Cy Young and is kicking butt again this season. They just let their best player go and HuskyHawk is tying himself in a pretzel defending it.

I'm a Yankees fan and realize we have the same incredibly flawed team which will always fall short. There's no way to defend it.

Boston is no longer a place for great players and some are trying to defend what they're doing.

 

[HCCForever]

I think calling him a classless fool is a little harsh.
He wanted out of Boston after the way he was treated by Henry, Cherington and now Brewslow and Henry wanted to be free of the contract before the ink was dry on the extension. If management had just traded him in the off-season, even before the Bregman signing, when the first rumblings of Devers wanting out started, they could have gotten much more. Then after the Casas injury, he said no to moving and for whatever reason they began a publicity war with Devers to try to shame him into playing first. All it did was hurt Devers trade value.
Devers could have handled this much better, but so could have the fools in the front office. I give a little slack to the guy who, yes is uneducated, but has been playing baseball fulltime since before he was 16 years old. What is the excuse for Henry, Cherington and Breslow.
Henry went from an owner ahead of his time in 2004, now to being light years behind and damaging what was one of the premier franchises in MLB.

That is the crazy passion of a Sox fan but I'm over it now and could have chosen better words.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It's hilarious. They let Mookie go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let JD Martinez go and he kicks butt out in LA. They let Sale go and he wins the Cy Young and is kicking butt again this season. They just let their best player go and HuskyHawk is tying himself in a pretzel defending it.

I'm a Yankees fan and realize we have the same incredibly flawed team which will always fall short. There's no way to defend it.

Boston is no longer a place for great players and some are trying to defend what they're doing.

Mookie we all agree on. Huge mistake. High character player who is good at every phase of the game. Absolutely a guy you make the centerpiece of your franchise.

Sale was always good, just always hurt. They shopped him because he made a lot of money and almost never pitched. It wasn't a misevaluation of talent. Grissom not winning the 2B job is the only real mistake there. They were desperate for 2B help and had nobody in the system.

JD had a good year in the best lineup in baseball. But the decline was coming and there weren't a lot of teams clamoring for him. He wasn't traded, he was a free agent. They went with Turner, who can play 1B also had a good year for Boston.

That 2023 team was a placeholder roster while they waited for the young guys to be ready. Yoshida and Casas had good rookie years, Duran broke out. In 2025 I'm excited to see the young guys they called up get at bats. I am thrilled with Navarez, you want to talk about bad trades, the Yankees must be pissed. I'm excited to see what Harrison can be, added to Crochet. I didn't expect much from Dobbins, but he's looking good too. So yeah, I don't think losing Devers will matter much.

 

[superjohn]

Mookie we all agree on. Huge mistake. High character player who is good at every phase of the game. Absolutely a guy you make the centerpiece of your franchise.

Sale was always good, just always hurt. They shopped him because he made a lot of money and almost never pitched. It wasn't a misevaluation of talent. Grissom not winning the 2B job is the only real mistake there. They were desperate for 2B help and had nobody in the system.

JD had a good year in the best lineup in baseball. But the decline was coming and there weren't a lot of teams clamoring for him. He wasn't traded, he was a free agent. They went with Turner, who can play 1B also had a good year for Boston.

That 2023 team was a placeholder roster while they waited for the young guys to be ready. Yoshida and Casas had good rookie years, Duran broke out. In 2025 I'm excited to see the young guys they called up get at bats. I am thrilled with Navarez, you want to talk about bad trades, the Yankees must be pissed. I'm excited to see what Harrison can be, added to Crochet. I didn't expect much from Dobbins, but he's looking good too. So yeah, I don't think losing Devers will matter much.

I didn't say JD was traded. The Red Sox paid Sale to win CY Young for another team.

You don't think losing your best player will matter much. You guys have had a lot of placeholder rosters lately.

I'm of the opinion you would've been much better off trying to win with your best players.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I didn't say JD was traded. The Red Sox paid Sale to win CY Young for another team.

You don't think losing your best player will matter much. You guys have had a lot of placeholder rosters lately.

I'm of the opinion you would've been much better off trying to win with your best players.

They needed pitching a lot more than they needed a Dan Hurley. Platoon Refsnyder/Yoshida at Dan Hurley and you have 85% of Devers and you’ve added a very good hard throwing RP and a very talented young SP. The team is better. They were only ever going to go as far as the young players would take them anyway. Up 3-1, Mayer homered again.

 

[Deepster]

I didn't say JD was traded. The Red Sox paid Sale to win CY Young for another team.

You don't think losing your best player will matter much. You guys have had a lot of placeholder rosters lately.

I'm of the opinion you would've been much better off trying to win with your best players.

Have you not seen his Patriot takes??? Makes this Sox tapdancing look almost logical in comparison.

 

[Spaceman213J]

Mookie we all agree on. Huge mistake. High character player who is good at every phase of the game. Absolutely a guy you make the centerpiece of your franchise.

Sale was always good, just always hurt. They shopped him because he made a lot of money and almost never pitched. It wasn't a misevaluation of talent. Grissom not winning the 2B job is the only real mistake there. They were desperate for 2B help and had nobody in the system.

JD had a good year in the best lineup in baseball. But the decline was coming and there weren't a lot of teams clamoring for him. He wasn't traded, he was a free agent. They went with Turner, who can play 1B also had a good year for Boston.

That 2023 team was a placeholder roster while they waited for the young guys to be ready. Yoshida and Casas had good rookie years, Duran broke out. In 2025 I'm excited to see the young guys they called up get at bats. I am thrilled with Navarez, you want to talk about bad trades, the Yankees must be pissed. I'm excited to see what Harrison can be, added to Crochet. I didn't expect much from Dobbins, but he's looking good too. So yeah, I don't think losing Devers will matter much.

You are right no about Sale. They were trying to just get a piece of some value and Grissom may still be quality bench player down the line, but Sale's health and shaky post season were enough to move on.

Navarez has been a bright spot for the front office. Who thought the guy would be one the top rookies to this point on the season.

I think we just disagree on what Story has been, is and what we predict will be and how Devers has been treated by management (and their running of the team for the past 4-5 years). Devers could have handled the situation more professionally for sure, but he is a product of the Red Sox organization. I think it is unfair to vilify Devers and letting management get a free pass in this case.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Have you not seen his Patriot takes??? Makes this Sox tapdancing look almost logical in comparison.

My take is essentially that you can't judge this until you see how Harrison and Hicks perform and what the Sox do with the salary flexibility. So that's not logical?

I'm feeling quite good about the Pats too at the moment. Defense looks very promising.

 

[navery12]

My take is essentially that you can't judge this until you see how Harrison and Hicks perform and what the Sox do with the salary flexibility. So that's not logical?

I'm feeling quite good about the Pats too at the moment. Defense looks very promising.

Honestly, no. Salary flexibility is an astronomically stupid trade to make with your best player on a very reasonable contract. Hicks and Harrison being good would take the trade from horrible to just very bad, but the chances on that are pretty low, they're not good players

 

[Ports21]

Mookie, Sale, Devers all pretty much traded for garbage and $$ savings. Tells you all you need to know. MAYBE Harrison can be good. But people also said well maybe Verdugo will be good, maybe Grissom will be the 2B for the next decade. The Redsox are no longer the "smart" organization.

They want to be a middle of the pack spending version of the Rays. It's embarrassing when you charge some of the highest ticket prices in baseball and expect the fans to keep eating when you trade legitimate stars to save money.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Honestly, no. Salary flexibility is an astronomically stupid trade to make with your best player on a very reasonable contract. Hicks and Harrison being good would take the trade from horrible to just very bad, but the chances on that are pretty low, they're not good players

This is just so wrong. Hicks has been an excellent reliever and the Sox tried to sign him previously. He was a bad starter in SF. Harrison was one of the top pitching prospects in baseball very recently. They are good players. Harrison is probably the #3 starter on this team after July. Devers isn't their best player, Duran is (Crochet is if you count pitchers), and he doesn't have a reasonable contract for a Dan Hurley. He was the best power hitter, sure.

You're suggesting that if Harrison becomes something close to Crochet or Skenes, this is a bad trade? Because that alone is enough to move Devers. So, as I said, we don't know. There's a big IF associated with this. I thought it was a salary/disgruntled player dump, but some more analytical Sox fans dug into the guys coming back and suggested it's better value than initially believed. Certainly the contract reduced what came back.

 

[navery12]

This is just so wrong. Hicks has been an excellent reliever and the Sox tried to sign him previously. He was a bad starter in SF. Harrison was one of the top pitching prospects in baseball very recently. They are good players. Harrison is probably the #3 starter on this team after July. Devers isn't their best player, Duran is (Crochet is if you count pitchers), and he doesn't have a reasonable contract for a Dan Hurley. He was the best power hitter, sure.

You're suggesting that if Harrison becomes something close to Crochet or Skenes, this is a bad trade? Because that alone is enough to move Devers. So, as I said, we don't know. There's a big IF associated with this. I thought it was a salary/disgruntled player dump, but some more analytical Sox fans dug into the guys coming back and suggested it's better value than initially believed. Certainly the contract reduced what came back.

Jordan Hicks had a 4 ERA as a starter last year and 5 as a reliever, and it's even worse this year. He is washed up and is not good. This year when you claim he's been an excellent reliever he has a 5.40 ERA. Harrison was a top pitching prospect a few years ago, and then now has 3 years with major league experience now and has been exposed as being massively overrated. He is not good.

The Devers contract is fine, and is even better if the Red Sox kept their promise to him and let him stick at one position. Then he wouldn't even be a D.H.

If he becomes Skenes or Crochet, sure that trade is worth it. But that's a .0000000000001% outcome. The fact you would even throw that out as a comparison is embarrassing.

 

[HCCForever]

The Devers contract is fine, and is even better if the Red Sox kept their promise to him and let him stick at one position. Then he wouldn't even be a D.H.

Why should any team keep a player at his "promised" position if he isn't doing the job? Devers was a lousy third baseman and didn't seem to be improving. Were they just supposed to keep him at third? No doubt, communication should have been better, but this is the big leagues and players should expect to compete for their playing time.

 

[Waquoit]

Devers is a good hitter but a classless fool.

Hard dislike. The Sox were the classless fools. Devers was human. I give two thumbs up to his chefs kiss in SF.

 

[navery12]

Why should any team keep a player at his "promised" position if he isn't doing the job? Devers was a lousy third baseman and didn't seem to be improving. Were they just supposed to keep him at third? No doubt, communication should have been better, but this is the big leagues and players should expect to compete for their playing time.

If they didn't want to keep him at 3B they shouldn't have promised him that. But even beyond that, I was more referring to him saying he'd play 1B but he wanted reassurance that he wouldn't get shifted around again. Which doesn't seem like a crazy ask