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Yeah I'd love for us to take all 4 and go into the break with at least a 2 game lead. Not to mention we get a chance to get revenge on Stroman.
 
Ok, I'd say mission accomplished for the first half, all things considered.

Soto is a very interesting development. I am surprised by how many news stories identify us as among his top potential suitors, even moreso after we took a catcher with our first round pick yesterday, which is leading to speculation that Alvarez maybe on the block in a potential trade. I just don't see the Nats letting him go to a division rival, especially when we already have Scherzer. We could definitely use his bat, but I'd rather see us grab a Dan Hurley, catcher or 3B. And with Boras as his agent, you know he will just use us to set the market.

Still think the top priority has to be two solid relief pitchers (at least one lefty), followed by a bat; and I still think we could use another starter for insurance, but that may present more problems than solutions if deGrom does return to the rotation and everyone else stays healthy, because we would have a logjam then.

I don't like the reports of Atlanta coveting deGrom and trying to make a run at him in the off-season. Unless there is absolute clarity about his health by then, that really presents a conundrum because the choices will be to overpay or lose him to our biggest division nemesis. Which, of course, is exactly what Atlanta is hoping to do to us. And deGrom is hard to read about all of this. I wonder how much he is bothered sharing the ace spotlight with Scherzer.
 
Random whining during the AS Break.....

Were any other Mets fans rubbed the wrong way by Marte being part of Soto's HR Derby "posse"? Sure, you can point to the latino connection that lots of players have. Sure, you can say Marte was politicking for the Mets to make a move for Soto.

I don't know. I'm old school where I don't like that type of thing. I don't like how everyone in the NBA are buddies now. I liked it when the teams really hated each other. And I don't think you'd see McNeil over slapping Schwarber on the back either.
 
Deepster said:
Random whining during the AS Break.....

Were any other Mets fans rubbed the wrong way by Marte being part of Soto's HR Derby "posse"? Sure, you can point to the latino connection that lots of players have. Sure, you can say Marte was politicking for the Mets to make a move for Soto.

I don't know. I'm old school where I don't like that type of thing. I don't like how everyone in the NBA are buddies now. I liked it when the teams really hated each other. And I don't think you'd see McNeil over slapping Schwarber on the back either.
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I didn't see that, but aren't they on the same team in the all-star game? I did see him as part of Alonso's posse, and Soto and Alonso never went head-to-head last night because Alonso was eliminated by J-Rod before that could happen.

I am more bothered when I see Lindor embracing opponents during games; but, like you, I am used to a different era.
 
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Deepster said:
Random whining during the AS Break.....

Were any other Mets fans rubbed the wrong way by Marte being part of Soto's HR Derby "posse"? Sure, you can point to the latino connection that lots of players have. Sure, you can say Marte was politicking for the Mets to make a move for Soto.

I don't know. I'm old school where I don't like that type of thing. I don't like how everyone in the NBA are buddies now. I liked it when the teams really hated each other. And I don't think you'd see McNeil over slapping Schwarber on the back either.
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Not even a little bit. They’re gonna be teammates in 2 weeks anyway
 
Yeah that's definitely a generational thing. Doesn't bother me at all.
 
8893 said:
Do you really believe that?
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There is buzz they drafted a catcher to move Alvarez for Soto. I think the Nats would be crazy do for that in the division.
 
On another note from last night, I love Pete, but his interview after the first round of the HR Derby was super awkward when he started talking about his wife's and his new charity. I'm sure he's a genuinely good and charitable guy as all reports and appearances indicate, but when he was like "I'm just happy to give back to families and animals and shelters and stuff" it was a bit like Mongo.
 
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Deepster said:
There is buzz they drafted a catcher to move Alvarez for Soto. I think the Nats would be crazy do for that in the division.
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Yeah I saw that buzz, too; but again I agree that the Nats won't trade him in the division.

But I do think they would like to have the bargaining chip for whatever may be available.
 
8893 said:
On another note from last night, I love Pete, but his interview after the first round of the HR Derby was super awkward when he started talking about his wife's and his new charity. I'm sure he's a genuinely good and charitable guy as all reports and appearances indicate, but when he was like "I'm just happy to give back to families and animals and shelters and stuff" it was a bit like Mongo.
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Awkward? Like this?

 
Deepster said:
Awkward? Like this?

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Yeah, I always chuckle at his commercials, but at least they are scripted. The scripts are cringe-worthy, but I realized last night that they are better than having him wing it.

The important thing is that his heart is in the right place.

Well, that and he's a hitting savant.
 
navery12 said:


Doesn't seem like terrible news but still a scary headline
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Good Lord. “Mild muscle soreness” around his shoulder?!? I’d think that’s an everyday sensation for a pitcher.

Which brings me back to Darling’s comments about him throughout last season: pitchers have to learn the difference between “sore” and “hurt,” because you have to learn to play through soreness.

I’m starting to think he’s less of a China doll and more princess and the pea.
 
Deepster said:
Awkward? Like this?

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Those commercials are so bad. You can see him looking over the other actor's head to read off the cue card on pretty much every one of his lines.
 
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8893 said:
Good Lord. “Mild muscle soreness” around his shoulder?!? I’d think that’s an everyday sensation for a pitcher.

Which brings me back to Darling’s comments about him throughout last season: pitchers have to learn the difference between “sore” and “hurt,” because you have to learn to play through soreness.

I’m starting to think he’s less of a China doll and more princess and the pea.
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I'd put him in a package to the Nats for Soto in a heartbeat. I don't think he'll ever pitch a half a season again.

Part of me also worries this is what happened to Megill. He said that ever since he got that extra velocity, things just started to feel off with his health. deGrom flew to close to the sun and the wax on his wings melted.
 
Deepster said:
I'd put him in a package to the Nats for Soto in a heartbeat. I don't think he'll ever pitch a half a season again.
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His durability is definitely an open question in my mind, as is whether he can learn to pitch as effectively with slightly less velocity. I am certain that he cannot return to the 100+ velocity frequency he was hitting early last season and stay healthy, because I don't think the human body was built to do that that often.

The problem with your Soto scenario is that deGrom is a free agent after this season; whereas Soto is under team control for two more seasons. Even if deGrom could contribute meaningfully this season, the Nats aren't going anywhere. But if we don't re-sign him, Uncle $teve is going to need to make an acquisition on that level to quell the potential backlash.
 
Let me restate my point.

I'm not concerned at all with trading him to a division rival in the right deal.
 
Deepster said:
Let me restate my point.

I'm not concerned at all with trading him to a division rival in the right deal.
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I get the sentiment and don't necessarily disagree at this point; but my point is that I don't think we'll ever be in position to trade him, period.

No chance it will happen this season and he is a free agent after that. Either we will sign him or another team will, but the time for us to get anything in return for him has passed. We are not going to sign him and trade him.

One way or another though, I think we will be shelling out another top-of-market contract between now and next season. And I have no problem with that. As I have said before, if it were my money, I would be very concerned about giving deGrom a record-breaking deal. I would be much more comfortable going all-in for Soto, but I don't think we will get that chance. The Nats would be crazy to allow that.
 
Nice Vogelbach pickup. Hopefully an upgrade over Dom. Still need a little more offense imo.

And obviously some RP. Maybe a SP. Maybe Corbin, hehe..
 
Vogelbach is a big improvement to the Dan Hurley position, and can now safely move Dom for bullpen help. Still expect to see them target Mancini or Bell as a big bat before the deadline
 
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Bell would be a huge move, he's turned into a hell of a player. I'd give up Baty for him - depending on how long Bell would be under contract.. Another SP for insurance wouldn't hurt, love the depth we have had but you can never have enough.

Kinda hate giving up Holderman for Vogelbach but you gotta give to get. Pen continues to improve though.
 
M.S.G. said:
Bell would be a huge move, he's turned into a hell of a player. I'd give up Baty for him - depending on how long Bell would be under contract.. Another SP for insurance wouldn't hurt, love the depth we have had but you can never have enough.

Kinda hate giving up Holderman for Vogelbach but you gotta give to get. Pen continues to improve though.
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Bell is under contract for 2 more months, so the cost will likely be much lower than Baty
 
So we picked up a catcher from the Bucs. Michael Perez, who is another Mendoza line auto out. Insurance for Nido, who made the last out last night.
 
Alum86 said:
So we picked up a catcher from the Bucs. Michael Perez, who is another Mendoza line auto out. Insurance for Nido, who made the last out last night.
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I suspect--and hope--that we are just getting started with trade deadline acquisitions. Despite what Buck says about being content with the guys he's got, they know they need more offense if they're going to hold off the Braves and advance in the playoffs.

Definitely need to bolster the pen too.

It will be interesting to see how the team responds if/when they yield first place to the Braves, which I expect to happen at some point. We play them eight times in the first half of August and the results of those series should be very telling.
 
Between Vogelbach and Jankowski, the mojo for late inning heroics is strong.
 
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