The Newsroom...

[ZooCougar]

Let's just all agree that Newsroom has awful writing and it's totall agenda driven drivel. It's one of the most overhyped shows in the history of TV.

 

[Husky25]

Honestly, it's like someone set out to parody an Aaron Sorkin show and didn't know where to stop.

The irony is that someone is Sorkin himself. What enlightening insight?

Let's just all agree that Newsroom has awful writing and it's totall agenda driven drivel. It's one of the most overhyped shows in the history of TV.

I'll concede that this is your opinion. We all don't have to agree on anything, which is the point of this country, Television, HBO, and the off topic boards, (IMO ) .

 

[ZooCougar]

The irony is that someone is Sorkin himself. What enlightening insight?



I'll concede that this is your opinion. We all don't have to agree on anything, which is the point of this country, Television, HBO, and the off topic boards, (IMO ) .

I disagree that this is an off topic board

 

[Palatine]

Big Bang Theory espouses Darwinism over Creationism, which Sheldon Cooper even calls out on screen as a load of hokum.. Is that fair and balanced?

Darwinism has been supported scientifically.

The left wing garbage on the Newsroom, like the "dangerous" Tea Party, is just unsupported (often disproved) nonsense.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to make the differentiation.

 

[Husky25]

Darwinism has been supported scientifically.

The left wing garbage on the Newsroom, like the "dangerous" Tea Party, is just unsupported (often disproved) nonsense.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to make the differentiation.

As I expected, you missed the point of my post.

The irony of your response is that I am not a left winger and take The Newsroom for what it is...Entertainment. If you don't like it, change the channel. It's on late enough on a Sunday that I would have to set my DVR or watch on HBOGo. It is not required viewing, as all the underlying "current" events already happened and were already talkinghead fodder months or years prior.

 

[Palatine]

As I expected, you missed the point of my post.

The irony of your response is that I am not a left winger and take The Newsroom for what it is...Entertainment. If you don't like it, change the channel. It's on late enough on a Sunday that I would have to set my DVR or watch on HBOGo. It is not required viewing, as all the underlying "current" events already happened and were already talkinghead fodder months or years prior.

I disagree, the Newsroom, as someone previous stated, has an agenda.

I give most HBO shows a chance as their record is very good. I'm just very fair minded in general. I found the Newsroom to be okay, not a great show, not the worst on TV, but I found the political agenda of the show to be garbage.

I assume you to be left winger despite your protest based on the Darwinism argument. That is a favorite tactic of lefties. Unable to counter the arguments of conservatives, they change to subject to Darwin in a a lame attempt to grab the high ground and make themselves feel superior.

 

[Husky25]

I disagree, the Newsroom, as someone previous stated, has an agenda.

I give most HBO shows a chance as their record is very good. I'm just very fair minded in general. I found the Newsroom to be okay, not a great show, not the worst on TV, but I found the political agenda of the show to be garbage.

I assume you to be left winger despite your protest based on the Darwinism argument. That is a favorite tactic of lefties. Unable to counter the arguments of conservatives, they change to subject to Darwin in a a lame attempt to grab the high ground and make themselves feel superior.

What Darwinism argument? The Big Bang Theory is the name of a situation comedy. A sit-com, to use the parlance of our time.

Truth be told, I anticipated a response to the effect of you choosing not to watch it. To which I would have similarly. That you can change the channel from HBO or CBS when the Newsroom or Big Bang Theory, respectively, air...

Therein lies proof of (or against, depending how you care to think of it) my anticipatory skills. In an effort to leave no television reference unturned, " I can play the notes, but I cannot make music (paraphrase)." - Major Charles Emerson Winchester III

 

[Fishy]

The irony is that someone is Sorkin himself. What enlightening insight?

My God.

He's serious.

The Internet is officially too easy to access.

 

[cohenzone]

I don't listen to Rush. Go hand out condoms to third graders or something.

I guess now that you have Papa Fishy's cover you feel free to show your real self. You and I both know that your comment on my very bland initial post was not intended as a joke.

 

[UConn990411]

I give most HBO shows a chance as their record is very good. I'm just very fair minded in general. I found the Newsroom to be okay, not a great show, not the worst on TV, but I found the political agenda of the show to be garbage.

I found the political agenda to be over-the-top, too, but the show did go out of its way to clarify that it was going after the Tea Party, NOT the Republican Party. That's an important distinction to make.

I found season 1 of Newsroom to be a mixed bag - some episodes were fantastic, others were tough to get through and the relationship drama was absolutely unbearable. I could see the show taking a nosedive in season 2 similar to Homeland.

 

[Fishy]

The only problem with Newsroom is that it is worse than Treme.

It makes me want to watch Treme and I hate, hate, hate Treme.

It's so awful that I hate to too much to even be able to get to the point of hating its political agenda.

Luck gets cancelled for offing a couple of nags and this bucket of s--- gets renewed for a second season - heads need to roll.

 

[Excalibur]

I don't understand the sentiment of avoiding something because you disagree with its political message or world view. Seems kind of boring to me.

The Newsroom is unwatchable because it sucks, not because it leans (or jumps) left. They've got a decent set of acting talent, but the writing is terrible.

 

[ZooCougar]

I didn't like the politics in the West Wing or Boston Legal. Liked the shows though. If I picked entertainment based on politics then then the pickings would be slim.

Newsroom just flat out blows.

 

[Husky25]

Too bad that every other station other than HBO signs off the air at 9:59pm on Sunday nights...Oh wait. They don't.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If you think that Sorkin is smug or condescending or obnoxious or just don't like getting lectured when you want to watch entertainment, I would get it. To say he sucks is ridiculous. Sorkin has written a Few Good Men, The American President, Charlie Wilson's War (which conservatives can stop circle jerking over), Moneyball and the Social Network, in addition to The West Wing. He is generally considered one of the best writers of the last 20 years. It is kind of hard to argue that he sucks.

 

[Fishy]

Charlie Wilson's War was not a good movie.

It was a gaggle of very badly acted characters made to look even worse next to Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

American President - bad. Very bad. Moneyball - seriously, wildly, horrendously overrated. Michael Lewis wrote a great book and then Aaron Sorking turned it into a lousy movie. (Again, PSH makes the rest of the cast looked like they're in a high school play.) The Social Network...raise your hand if you liked that movie. Now punch yourself in the face with that hand because it stunk.

And, of course, Newsroom is terribly terrible.

 

[G0UCONN]

The Social Network did blow. Shockingly bad...and somehow got great reviews and think was up for an Oscar.

Ridiculous.

 

[Husky25]

Charlie Wilson's War was not a good movie.

It was a gaggle of very badly acted characters made to look even worse next to Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

American President - bad. Very bad. Moneyball - seriously, wildly, horrendously overrated. Michael Lewis wrote a great book and then Aaron Sorking turned it into a lousy movie. (Again, PSH makes the rest of the cast looked like they're in a high school play.) The Social Network...raise your hand if you liked that movie. Now punch yourself in the face with that hand because it stunk.

And, of course, Newsroom is terribly terrible.

Philip Seymour Hoffman was terrible in Moneyball. There was no female lead, so he took on the role of the wet blanket. As intended, Jonah Hill and Brad Pitt carried the movie. The feeling that neither Steven Zaillian, nor Aaron Sorkin read the book is absolutely on the money (NPI).

Those A's teams had a trio of inexpensive quality young pitching. The fact that Mulder, Zito, and Hudson were not even mentioned, and only Billy Koch's back is shown is a travesty at best. They are the very definition of taking advantage of inefficiencies in the market.

It also makes Joe Morgan seem smart by not embracing the concept of Moneyball or Sabermetrics, when in fact most analysts and teams now have at least one person in their front office devoted to the concepts. The voice overlay at the end as the A's lose at the end is misleading at best. Joe Morgan probably still thinks that Billy Beane wrote Moneyball.

American President is what it is, a sappy chick flick rom-com. It was more intent on the interpersonal relationships than correct presidential policy and protocol. At the end of the day, if you're watch The American President for its politics, you are probably rightly disappointed.

I rather enjoyed Charlie Wilson's War. I've grown tired of Tom Hanks, since the mid 90's overexposure, but I can watch Amy Adams all day long. I saw a documentary after CWW and it's somewhat true to history as well, so it's got that going for it...

 

[Husky25]

The Social Network did blow. Shockingly bad...and somehow got great reviews and think was up for an Oscar.

Ridiculous.

Rightly or Wrongly, The Social Network reinforced my choice to not have a Facebook account.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Philip Seymour Hoffman was terrible in Moneyball. There was no female lead, so he took on the role of the wet blanket. As intended, Jonah Hill and Brad Pitt carried the movie. The feeling that neither Steven Zaillian, nor Aaron Sorkin read the book is absolutely on the money (NPI).

Those A's teams had a trio of inexpensive quality young pitching. The fact that Mulder, Zito, and Hudson were not even mentioned, and only Billy Koch's back is shown is a travesty at best. They are the very definition of taking advantage of inefficiencies in the market.

It also makes Joe Morgan seem smart by not embracing the concept of Moneyball or Sabermetrics, when in fact most analysts and teams now have at least one person in their front office devoted to the concepts. The voice overlay at the end as the A's lose at the end is misleading at best. Joe Morgan probably still thinks that Billy Beane wrote Moneyball.

American President is what it is, a sappy chick flick rom-com. It was more intent on the interpersonal relationships than correct presidential policy and protocol. At the end of the day, if you're watch The American President for its politics, you are probably rightly disappointed.

I rather enjoyed Charlie Wilson's War. I've grown tired of Tom Hanks, since the mid 90's overexposure, but I can watch Amy Adams all day long. I saw a documentary after CWW and it's somewhat true to history as well, so it's got that going for it...

The American President is a very good rom-com, and only is playing just about every night somewhere on your cable channel, for the last 17 years. It is like spanish fly for well read women over 30.

Moneyball is a book about math and baseball. Obviously some creative license had to be taken to turn it into a movie. If you took away Morgan's voiceover as the takeaway from the movie, you missed the point. The meeting with the actor playing Jack Henry is the takeaway.

The Social Network is a very good movie.

Charlie Wilson's War is an excellent movie, and I can't stand Amy Adams. I am not sure when chewing the scenery became good acting.

 

[Husky25]

Who's Jack Henry? Stop before you hurt yourself. Stick to commentary on financial matters and Occupy Wall Street because as much as people give you about that (I at least appreciate the different POV), you have zero knowledge of baseball, the goings on in the Major Leagues in the early 2000s, the Sabermetric revolution, the book in general, or the industry's reaction to it. If Sorkin needed that much creative license to turn the book into a movie, it should not be named after the book. The book was bastardized.

 

[Fishy]

Jack Henry = John Henry.

Really, how hard was that?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Some is a little pissed that they didn't make a movie about regression analysis.

 

[Husky25]

Jack Henry = John Henry.

Really, how hard was that?

Nelson is normally very meticulous in his posts. If he wrote "Jack," he probably meant to write it.

Thanks for your input, but I know for certain that he can fight his own battles as well. There are normally about 14 people ganging up on him and he is pretty good at sticking to his guns, no matter how wrong he may or may not be.

Did I just give, not one but, two (backhanded) compliments to Nelson within the span of two posts? Will wonders never cease?

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[Husky25]

Not especially, but (to name a few things among others) there was a full chapter in the book on the draft where Oakland picked Jeremy Brown in the 1st round and why Beane valued him over other players with "the look." There is also a chapter devoted to the advent of SABR and Bill James. They should have tied that in somewhere. And finally, I thought the Joe Morgan voiceover was grossly misplaced, as I said before.

Overall, its not a terrible movie, but it terribly misrepresents the history on which it proports to be based, and has little do with the concepts in the book. Whether they enjoyed it or not, I think any real baseball fan should agree that the movie should not have been called Moneyball.

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[G0UCONN]

The biggest thing about the movie Moneyball that sticks out was its portrayal of Art Howe as an incompetent loser who had no business managing a team while Billy Beane secretly managed them from the clubhouse....I call BS on that.

That said....loved the book and liked the movie.

 

[Husky25]

The biggest thing about the movie Moneyball that sticks out was its portrayal of Art Howe as an incompetent loser who had no business managing a team while Billy Beane secretly managed them from the clubhouse....I call BS on that.

That said...loved the book and liked the movie.

Yeah, Art Howe had a problem with that as well...

That's why I think Phillip Seymour Hoffman did a terrible job. He may have played the part as written, but he was not true to history. The roll of Art Howe was miscast. Hoffman is too squat heavy and looked terribly dumpy in a baseball uniform (He would have been a great Lasorda). Howe looked much more distinguished and in control as A's manager (Even if it was Beane that suggested he always stand at the front of the dugout). Maybe Howe should have been another amalgamation character like Peter Brand (Paul DePodesta).

 

[G0UCONN]

Why did they use a ficticious Peter Brand....why not have it actually be DePodesta? weird

 

[Husky25]

Why did they use a ficticious Peter Brand....why not have it actually be DePodesta? weird

DePodesta supposedly didn't want to be associated with the movie. The Brand character only stresses how cash strapped the A's were. In reality, Beane had/has a larger staff.

 

[G0UCONN]

Thanks.

Howe is the one who should not want to be associated with it.