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OT: The new breed: NFL only sports fan.

Scoe said:
Baseball needs to have more out spoken players, like Lenny Dykstra, Aubrey Huff, Milton Bradley, Carl Everett etc. Stars like Judge and Trout are great guys but not outspoken which is fine, classy star players is great for the game but you do need outspoken idiots they draw fans both homers and haters.
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How did Trevor Bauer work out for the MLB lol
 
NFL off season is the hypest reality show on the planet. Serial killers, Elevator knockouts, speeding crashes, stabbings, murder for hire, drugs. Throw in blockbuster trades, contracts, unfair rules, bad calls.

It's real housewives for men.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Baseball is its own worst enemy. Just too much filler, too little action. Unlike football, where a fan fills the gap between plays wondering what new strategy will be employed on each side of the ball, there is very little in baseball. Games too slow, too long.

But the most important thing is whether games are important.
NFL: 17 games, every game is critical.
College football: 12 games, all critical
College basketball: 27 games, almost all of them matter
MLS: 34 games, most matter
Premier League: 38, most matter
NBA: 82 - too many don't matter
NHL: 82 - too many don't matter
MLB: 162 games - almost double the next most.

So not only are the games too long, too slow and lacking in strategy interest, but they don't matter. I like baseball, but no one game is must see TV until the playoffs.
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Good points, but the elephant in the room is that most football fans aren't focused on the game and it's intricacies. They are concerned with their fantasy points (sometimes multiple leagues) or gambling. Be honest, do you see the majority of football fans glued to the screens paying attention to the play calling and defensive schemes? How many football fans watch without fantasy/gambling? Be honest. You know the truth.

Side story* 5 years ago, I was in a bar waiting for broncos game to start and was sitting next to a girl in a packers jersey. We started talking football and I mentioned that greenbays secondary was suspect. She gave me a look and said "secondary??? Why would I care about the bench players?"
 
ClifSpliffy said:
try again.
'Viewership for baseball has been on the rise. A record 11.5 billion minutes of MLB content was viewed throughout the 2022 season.'

attendance (people paying cash money to have a good time at the ballpark) only jumped 20 million folks this season, from 45 millions to 65 millions.
MLB attendance improves in 2022, crowds still smaller than pre-pandemic
imma fan, me and millions and millions of others.

apparently, lots of folks aren't micro-managing every single minute of their lives, and enjoy periodically whiling away the hours, lazing around, and just enjoying the game with no clock.

hey paully! what did you have to eat today? anything good? i bet it's something michael would never try!
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To say attendance is rising is disingenuous IMO. In 2007 attendance was nearly 80 million. In 2018 it was 69. Just because it jumped from a pandemic reduced 45 doesn’t seem to me to indicate it’s rising, especially since the population rise of 10% since 07
 
Can't tell you how many Fantasy FB participants that(I've spoken with) who don't know anything about other sports.. Mind-boggling
 
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whosurdaddy2720 said:
Same in regards to the Yankees. Aaron Judge re-ignited some of my passion this year but it’s still not the same as it used to be. In middle and high school I regularly sat through entire 3+ hour Yankee games and now in my mid 30’s I find it nearly impossible unless it’s a meaningful game.
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It’s very simple. An average baseball game takes far longer with fewer balls put in play than used to happen. I used to be a big fan, but it’s just very hard to watch.
 
Tailgated since 2 pm for the Bears game this afternoon and now just finishing up the night. The experience surrounding the game was a blast but on field product blows. Granted it's about the worst product in the league but the games in person seem to suck each time I go no matter who the Bears are playing. Everything surrounding the game is a blast but the actual play on the field kind of stinks. I would probably feel differently if I was watching the Bills v. the Chiefs but watching the bad teams play each other is brutal.

I could also do without the little guy in front of me trying to fight everyone sitting behind him, shoving his girlfriend over and the guy who passed out in the bathroom and took a dump in his pants as security had to physically remove him from the facility.
 
McLovin said:
I don’t think there is anything baseball can do to generate more fan interest without dramatically changing the game. The speed of the game doesn’t matter (a football game is 3+ hours). It’s the lack of action and lack of athletic ability on display that makes it less fun to watch.

Baseball needs to find a way to get more of their offensive stars involved more often if they ever want to grow the fan base to compete with modern sports.
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Well, I think they've created your antedote.

news.yahoo.com

What is Banana Ball? Here are the Savannah Banana rules of the game

Always thought baseball games should last only two hours? That's Banana Ball. Check out the Savannah Bananas' unique rules for their exhibition games.
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  1. Every inning counts. Rather than counting up a cumulative total of runs at the end of the game, each inning is like its own mini-game. Imagine each inning as a “game” in a tennis set. This also means every inning can end with a walk-off.
  2. Two-hour time limit. A new inning won’t begin after the one-hour and 50-minute mark. If they fail to reach nine innings in that time, they fail to reach nine innings and the game ends with whichever team has won the most innings.
  3. No stepping out. If a batter steps out of the box, he is given an automatic strike.
  4. No bunting. Pretty self-explanatory -- and there's absolutely no wiggle room.
  5. Batters can steal first. If the pitch gets away from the catcher at any point during the at-bat, the hitter is free to run to first.
  6. No walks allowed. If a batter is walked, he can keep running the bases until every fielder touches the baseball. Usually that means the team congregates around second base and they play a game of hot potato.
  7. 1-on-1 Showdown Tiebreaker. Should the game be tied after two hours, they go into a sudden-death Showdown. The batter steps into the box and faces off against a pitcher, catcher, and one lone, solitary fielder. The batter will try to hit the ball and race around the bases before he can be tagged out.
  8. No mound visits allowed. Hey, what do those coaches say beyond, “Throw some strikes, bud"?
  9. If a fan catches a foul ball, it’s an out. A whole new reason to bring your glove out to the ballpark.
 
superjohn said:
Tailgated since 2 pm for the Bears game this afternoon and now just finishing up the night. The experience surrounding the game was a blast but on field product blows. Granted it's about the worst product in the league but the games in person seem to suck each time I go no matter who the Bears are playing. Everything surrounding the game is a blast but the actual play on the field kind of stinks. I would probably feel differently if I was watching the Bills v. the Chiefs but watching the bad teams play each other is brutal.

I could also do without the little guy in front of me trying to fight everyone sitting behind him, shoving his girlfriend over and the guy who passed out in the bathroom and took a dump in his pants as security had to physically remove him from the facility.
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And that's the way it is for me going forward. Even a great team can have a stinker of a performance on the field/court. Even if you comp'd tix you are still spending some money and investing time having zero ability to influence outcome. So, for me it's all about fan experience before and during the game.
Make getting to the game and leaving the game functional. Sure, it's going to be slow and there is almost always at least one choke point, but make the flow make sense and keeping things at least moving at a snails pace.
Make the pre-game a low stress event. 95% of the fans just want a few brews and some food before the game. Leave them be. They are more than capable of self-policing their own little event. Have the event security focus their attention on the obvious smaller percentage who are there to drink as much as possible and be as disruptive as possible. They are easy to see.
Make the in-game experience fun. Concessions should run smoothly, bathrooms should be accessible and clean (and no touch for the flushing, hand washing and drying).
When you actually attend a well thought out event it makes seeing the flaws in other events very easy and you can see how a little bit of effort and foresight can make a huge difference in fan experience.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Well, I think they've created your antedote.

news.yahoo.com

What is Banana Ball? Here are the Savannah Banana rules of the game

Always thought baseball games should last only two hours? That's Banana Ball. Check out the Savannah Bananas' unique rules for their exhibition games.
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com

  1. Every inning counts. Rather than counting up a cumulative total of runs at the end of the game, each inning is like its own mini-game. Imagine each inning as a “game” in a tennis set. This also means every inning can end with a walk-off.
  2. Two-hour time limit. A new inning won’t begin after the one-hour and 50-minute mark. If they fail to reach nine innings in that time, they fail to reach nine innings and the game ends with whichever team has won the most innings.
  3. No stepping out. If a batter steps out of the box, he is given an automatic strike.
  4. No bunting. Pretty self-explanatory -- and there's absolutely no wiggle room.
  5. Batters can steal first. If the pitch gets away from the catcher at any point during the at-bat, the hitter is free to run to first.
  6. No walks allowed. If a batter is walked, he can keep running the bases until every fielder touches the baseball. Usually that means the team congregates around second base and they play a game of hot potato.
  7. 1-on-1 Showdown Tiebreaker. Should the game be tied after two hours, they go into a sudden-death Showdown. The batter steps into the box and faces off against a pitcher, catcher, and one lone, solitary fielder. The batter will try to hit the ball and race around the bases before he can be tagged out.
  8. No mound visits allowed. Hey, what do those coaches say beyond, “Throw some strikes, bud"?
  9. If a fan catches a foul ball, it’s an out. A whole new reason to bring your glove out to the ballpark.
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They are coming to Dunkin next season. Bill Lee pitches sometimes in these games. I know he got sick in one of them so I'm not holding my breath in seeing him, but I am hoping to take my kids. We will likely be in NJ though.
 
Chin Diesel said:
And that's the way it is for me going forward. Even a great team can have a stinker of a performance on the field/court. Even if you comp'd tix you are still spending some money and investing time having zero ability to influence outcome. So, for me it's all about fan experience before and during the game.
Make getting to the game and leaving the game functional. Sure, it's going to be slow and there is almost always at least one choke point, but make the flow make sense and keeping things at least moving at a snails pace.
Make the pre-game a low stress event. 95% of the fans just want a few brews and some food before the game. Leave them be. They are more than capable of self-policing their own little event. Have the event security focus their attention on the obvious smaller percentage who are there to drink as much as possible and be as disruptive as possible. They are easy to see.
Make the in-game experience fun. Concessions should run smoothly, bathrooms should be accessible and clean (and no touch for the flushing, hand washing and drying).
When you actually attend a well thought out event it makes seeing the flaws in other events very easy and you can see how a little bit of effort and foresight can make a huge difference in fan experience.
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I once went to a Saturday day-game at the big A in Anaheim that blew my mind. I bought tickets day of and there were about 20 ticket agents, all with their windows open, so no one waited in line. Then you have to walk under the highway to get to the field and the highway underpass was pristine and they had a jazz trio playing for the fans! Not to mention the stadium being immaculately clean and well run. It changed the experience for sure.
 
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superjohn said:
Tailgated since 2 pm for the Bears game this afternoon and now just finishing up the night. The experience surrounding the game was a blast but on field product blows. Granted it's about the worst product in the league but the games in person seem to suck each time I go no matter who the Bears are playing. Everything surrounding the game is a blast but the actual play on the field kind of stinks. I would probably feel differently if I was watching the Bills v. the Chiefs but watching the bad teams play each other is brutal.

I could also do without the little guy in front of me trying to fight everyone sitting behind him, shoving his girlfriend over and the guy who passed out in the bathroom and took a dump in his pants as security had to physically remove him from the facility.
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Chicago certainly looked inept in the fourth quarter but still they were only a foot short of a TD at the end.

Al Michaels apologized for the last two Thursday night games and said that next week's game between the Cardinals and Saints should guarantee more points and a better game.

Hard to believe that people get so trashed at games especially with the high cost of beers. I have been to games at the old Schaefer and a Rams game vs Giants in Anaheim and fights broke out. The reason for the fight between the Giant's fans and Rams's fans was one guy telling a New Yorker to get a suntan. That fan from NY had weightlifting gloves on so obviously he was itching to fight.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Well, I think they've created your antedote.

news.yahoo.com

What is Banana Ball? Here are the Savannah Banana rules of the game

Always thought baseball games should last only two hours? That's Banana Ball. Check out the Savannah Bananas' unique rules for their exhibition games.
news.yahoo.com news.yahoo.com

  1. Every inning counts. Rather than counting up a cumulative total of runs at the end of the game, each inning is like its own mini-game. Imagine each inning as a “game” in a tennis set. This also means every inning can end with a walk-off.
  2. Two-hour time limit. A new inning won’t begin after the one-hour and 50-minute mark. If they fail to reach nine innings in that time, they fail to reach nine innings and the game ends with whichever team has won the most innings.
  3. No stepping out. If a batter steps out of the box, he is given an automatic strike.
  4. No bunting. Pretty self-explanatory -- and there's absolutely no wiggle room.
  5. Batters can steal first. If the pitch gets away from the catcher at any point during the at-bat, the hitter is free to run to first.
  6. No walks allowed. If a batter is walked, he can keep running the bases until every fielder touches the baseball. Usually that means the team congregates around second base and they play a game of hot potato.
  7. 1-on-1 Showdown Tiebreaker. Should the game be tied after two hours, they go into a sudden-death Showdown. The batter steps into the box and faces off against a pitcher, catcher, and one lone, solitary fielder. The batter will try to hit the ball and race around the bases before he can be tagged out.
  8. No mound visits allowed. Hey, what do those coaches say beyond, “Throw some strikes, bud"?
  9. If a fan catches a foul ball, it’s an out. A whole new reason to bring your glove out to the ballpark.
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I actually like most of these except the last one. Totally ridiculous and super hard to monitor.
 
I don't think MLB needs to change it's sport to be different to draw in new fans, but rather lean into the uniqueness of the sport to bring back old fans.

1) They should remove Interleague play and make it the one sport where the two leagues don't compete until the World Series.

2) Get rid of the universal Dan Hurley. Again just homogenizing the sport.

3) Go back to 25 man rosters so that we can please stop the unrelenting wave of bullpen moves.

4) Reduce the playoff size so that the regular season matters more. Each league should have 2 divisions, top two division winners advance to Division series to face the two wild cards.

5) Dead the ball and lower the seems. This in theory should give pitchers less velocity/command allowing more balls to be put in play, but by deading the ball it will make it so it's not a home run derby but more action.

6) Pitching pace of play with the pitch clock. Pitcher exceeds the time limit it's a ball.

7) Hitting pace or play. Allow the batter to step out of the box 1 time per AB. Batter steps out twice it's a strike.

8) Last and most important (and this goes for all sports) GET RID OF INSTANT REPLAY.
 
Unless you're talking about fantasy sports, I don't understand the argument that legalized sports betting has driven people to follow individual sports instead of being a well-rounded sports fan.

Just in the last week I've placed bets on -- and subsequently watched parts of -- baseball, hockey, and football games. I've bet and watched soccer and basketball at other times.
 
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NJHusky said:
To say attendance is rising is disingenuous IMO. In 2007 attendance was nearly 80 million. In 2018 it was 69. Just because it jumped from a pandemic reduced 45 doesn’t seem to me to indicate it’s rising, especially since the population rise of 10% since 07
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apparently, it went from 45 mills to around 68 mills, with high 70s as the alltime peak. many other pre/post covid numbers should be as lucky. 23 millions up in attendnce is a pretty big matzoh ball. large cash an all that.
now, howzaboot the record 11 billion page hits in 2022?
thats billion with a B.

on another topic,
  1. Batters can steal first. If the pitch gets away from the catcher at any point during the at-bat, the hitter is free to run to first.
this i like as it seems coherent to the game.
 
UCfor3 said:
And the sports science has almost everyone throwing high 90's pushing 100.
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ClifSpliffy said:
apparently, it went from 45 mills to around 68 mills, with high 70s as the alltime peak. many other pre/post covid numbers should be as lucky. 23 millions up in attendnce is a pretty big matzoh ball. large cash an all that.
now, howzaboot the record 11 billion page hits in 2022?
thats billion with a B.

on another topic,
  1. Batters can steal first. If the pitch gets away from the catcher at any point during the at-bat, the hitter is free to run to first.
this i like as it seems coherent to the game.
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It’s a big up because it had a bigger down. The trend is a negative slope, not positive
 
NJHusky said:
It’s a big up because it had a bigger down. The trend is a negative slope, not positive
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Attendance is up!!! It's up over the Covid year and lower than it's been every single season since the mid-90's.
 
superjohn said:
Attendance is up!!! It's up over the Covid year and lower than it's been every single season since the mid-90's.
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Because going to games is fun. The only MLB game I came close to completing this season was the one game I attended in person. And it wasn't even my team. In person, boring stuff is less boring and the time between innings isn't as noticeable. When I started watching, it was a minute between half-innings. Now it's 3, that's 33 minutes added to gametime right there.
 
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whosurdaddy2720 said:
I actually like most of these except the last one. Totally ridiculous and super hard to monitor.
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they don't play at CitiField. The game is meant for minor league parks.
 
donyell34 said:
Best of 3, next 2 in Cleveland puts the pressure on. Judge having a horrible first 2 games but do expect him to get hot. Truly for baseball fans the playoffs have been really good. Baseball drama.
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Watching these baseball playoffs and the NFL simultaneously I can unbiasedly say, (I have no team in the mlb playoffs and I love football) that the mlb product is better than the NFL. More drama and the fanbase has more heart. If you disagree, you either don't watch baseball or are heavily invested in fantasy. Remember: when you're rooting for a team because you have a fantasy stake you aren't rooting for the team, you're rooting for yourself. That doesn't count
 
NJHusky said:
I sure hope you aren’t a finance or technical guy. My post was about ATTENDANCE. And secondly if you think one game is a trend….
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www.forbes.com

ESPN Finds Viewership Success With Updated MLB Wild Card Series

ESPN saw significant viewership numbers for the 2022 MLB Wild Card Series. Here's the details.
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imagine that.

nope. i ain't no 'finance or technical guy.' gave all that up in junior year of uni, when i became 'retired guy,' but i still had to go thru the motions for a few years after, to keep certain unnamed 'rents happy. nowadays, i mostly chop some wood (cord prices hitting $325 lately) and cut a lot of grass (no real value in that, other than good ol exercise. priceless). don't ask me to fix nuthin tho, as i'll prolly break it. pretty good at picking stock, bond, forex, and commodity winners - is that what 'finance guys' do? how can they do that without chopping timber, or changing the drive belt on the scag?
now, im going out to make a new wood cover for a well. even bought one of those ratchet/sprocket lock getups for the bucket lift. it really rots when u crank it up, but lose attention for a second and the whole thing unravels. could break an arm or head iffn the crank hits you when that happens. splash!
 
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