The fickleness of our fanbase

[whaler11]

just remember this thread a couple years from now when this program is back to being a good one with a new hc and w/e. when we only have 35k at the rent to play lville and ppl here post pics of it not sold out and are wondering why. my answer will be becuase a couple big heads here ripped all our faithful casual fans for being front runners back in 2012. so they decided that ppl who like uconn fball aren't worth there time just like the product on the field back then and they found a new hobby on saturdays in the fall or some one else to root for etc.

front runner fans root for teams that win a lot and are always good or great and dont show up when they are bad. maybe im wrong here but when the **** were we ever ever ever good enough to where we can think that we have front runner fans in our fanbase? the bcs bowl? we won 8 ****ing games that year. dont get me wrong i love that year etc but we wern't and never were a power house team or just a high winning team.

we have a ton of causal fans who go for many different reasons to games. the sturggle has been converting them to die hards and randoms/1 timers to casual. thats how u build a fanbase. so while some ppl continue to hate on "front runners" aka the casual fans by telling them what to do with there $ and time, i'll continue to make twitter posts, do recruiting charts and other stuff that causal fans seem to enjoy and hopefully many more come out of the woodwork and join the die hard fanbase. some of my favorite posters here have within the last year joined up and been great to be around on here.

every time one of u posts hating on any type of fan uconn has, your the loser becuase every fan uconn has wether its a die hard or a bc troll is another ticket sold or tv viewer in a area or other things....

Yep you are getting even more clueless.

The thread is about the posters here who in theory represent the die hard fans. The one who look forward to signing day. The ones who argue about television contracts. The ones who obsess over conference realignment.

If it turns out they stop showing up they are fair weather front running fans. Sorry that you can't grasp the difference between those that have publicly declared how hardy they are as fans and those that show up for a few drinks and some fun.

I know you think the administration is too stupid to understand the travesty on the field if people stop coming to the games - but they aren't. And people staying home after 2 rough seasons only gives evidence to those who claim we aren't big time.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

ummm, things have no exactly been "good" for most of the past 10 years. My point is the program ahs a chieved a level where even loyal fans are not interested anymore

I think our disagreement lies with the definition of loyal fans.

 

[Adios]

We have fans who look down on the Minnesota Golden Gophers football team? They may not be elite at the moment, but they do have multiple national championships. Also....

http://www.mndaily.com/blogs/upon-f...ophers-rank-45th-national-football-attendance

And here we have fans talking about bailing on the team. From my point of view, I am just grateful we have an FBS level team (finally!) and have historic wins at this level already. I'd rather just shut up and go. Anyone want to give up a ticket for the game on Friday? I'll gladly take it.

(We should have won that game against Temple!)

 

[Nostical]

Sportsart was correct when he invoked the "difficulty in working for Hathaway" issue as a cause for RE's leaving. What I heard from an inside source (and had not heard heretofore) was that Hathaway was the major reason for RE leaving. In fact it was declared as the real reason he left in the dark of night after the Fiesta Bowl--something very specific between them. I don't excuse his method of leaving, but the info about the Maryland AD insisting he had to come at that moment or lose the job is patently incorrect.

 

[businesslawyer]

all these ppl who dont show up, i bet 90% of them watch on tv so they are still supporting, just less $$ wise which the school will see the trend. please stop with the front runner bs. u can't tell other ppl how to spend there money. they dont like the rpoduct so they wont pay for it. simple. they aren't front running, they are picking what to spend $ on. front running is a yankee fan who goes to 2 summer games a year and come september starts talking about baseball. then until the next summer when the yanks and mets play he doesn't say a word about baseball.

Dan -- no one is telling you you have to spend your money going to games. If you think that is what they are saying, you need to read more carefully. On the other hand, whether or not you go to games will invariably effect how people view you as a fan. Whether you have reasons for not going or not.

 

[BlueDogs]

i see stars falling in line that this school may be going down a $ issue road and they are currently about to **** them selves money wise in doing so by making bad decisions. if you spend 10 dollars in year 1 and in year 12 you can either spend 3 more dollars to take the product to the next level(invest in long term sucess) or spend no dollars and let the initial investment go to waste, which one are you going to do?

Right on the money. Small thinkers, weak leaders trying to look good by saving a few bucks instead of making the investments required. They want to take no risk, but think somehow they will reap huge returns. Warde is a small time hire. PP was a low cost, small time hire. Ollie (who I adore) is another hedge hire. The conference debacle also is a symptom of Storrs non leadership failing to get ahead of an obvious unfolding issue.

Anybody who thinks this program is in free fall from a few bad breaks is missing the picture. You have abject incompetence in Storrs from Hathaway onward.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Would that sort of mean the Big East sucked and your hundreds of posts talking about how good it was are contradicted?

How did Edsall do in Big East play other than 2010, when the Big East was terrible.

 

[whaler11]

How did Edsall do in Big East play other than 2010, when the Big East was terrible.

Well from 2007-2009 off the top of my head they were 11-10. How was UConn in the Big East after he left?

I'll answer for you. 3-10 or 4-9.

Here is your test. What's better? 16-12 or 4-9?

 

[Dann]

Dan -- no one is telling you you have to spend your money going to games. If you think that is what they are saying, you need to read more carefully. On the other hand, whether or not you go to games will invariably effect how people view you as a fan. Whether you have reasons for not going or not.

what am i missing. no one is telling me how to spend my money, but i'm watching diehards tell casual fans how to spend theres or if they dont they are pussys and not uconn fans blah blah? am i not watching that? this argument is that we have "fair weather" fans who are posting things like "im done" or "not going" or "sending my tix back". whaler is calling them front runners. the stance is that those "front running" fans are not worth our time and aren't fans of uconn.

my stance is that no matter casual or diehard fan, they are a type of fan that spends money and time on uconn. both types of fans are key to us building a fanbase. the other side doesn't like these fair weather fans and is calling them out for giving up on this program right now.

when die hards call out casual fans, what your saying is i think u should do xzy with your money and time. if a casual fan doesn't want to watch fball, who the are you to tell him to go watch anyway. there is a reason hes a casual fan and not a diehard. when a diehard starts calling our casual fans front runners and doesn't want them around becuase they are done with this staff, nothing good comes of it.

if your a diehard, go to games and do your thing. if your a casual fan, you do your thing and go to games as u please. thats how the fanhood works. i dont see casual fans posting up here that instead of going to the rent friday night, u guys should all go up the vt and ski all weekend. do u see any posts like that where casual fans tell u to do that and say otherwise you are no good to skiing and suck as a human being? i don't see any posts like that. but i do see diehards telling casual fans they are "front runners" and not worthy of uconn blah blah.

considering the size off this fanbase, its bull shit for diehard fans to be pooping on casual fans. this isn't bama or michigan. we can't fill 100k stadiums on the easy. we should instead be turning them into diehard fans. calling them out doesn't help that cause. let causal fans be pissed about this staff and not show up or not watch or w/e it is they do to support the program. warde and susan will see the views drop, money stop and act acordingly i hope. the casual fan is how u judge your product value. the diehard fan never stops.

so basically bl, since u joined this mess i ask u whats a front runner? does a team need to be a winner at some point in order to have front running fans? are casual fans all front runners? or is whaler just a clown ass? or am i just the scum of the earth?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Edsall wasn't perfect, and he irritated the crap out of me. But we were never this ****ed up with this level of talent under him.

With Edsall we beat Temple and WMU, the Rutgers game is closer and we beat USF.

This is a bowl caliber team that is staying home.

We may have a C offensive line, but DeLeone is making them into an F.

Well, we didn't actually beat Temple and USF all the time, but we did beat the MAC teams.

I agree on the bowl caliber team staying home. Unacceptable.

I don't think there is any debate that Pasqualoni has sucked, is there? Everything about this program reeks of failure, and when you hire a 60+ year old HC, you aren't signing up for the tear it down/build it up plan. You are signing up for the keep it going and make it better plan. This hire is a train wreck, and Warde is doing everyone associated with the program a disservice by keeping Pasqualoni around beyond this year.

 

[businesslawyer]

ummm, things have no exactly been "good" for most of the past 10 years. My point is the program ahs a chieved a level where even loyal fans are not interested anymore

See, that statement lacks any foundation in reality. Maybe not in a video game of college football, but in the real world of college football you have no clue where we were prior to ten years ago and how much it took the program to have the last ten years. Four bowl games. Two shared BCS conference championships?

Yes, the last ten years were good. Period.

 

[businesslawyer]

what am i missing. no one is telling me how to spend my money, but i'm watching diehards tell casual fans how to spend theres or if they dont they are pussys and not uconn fans blah blah? am i not watching that? this argument is that we have "fair weather" fans who are posting things like "im done" or "not going" or "sending my tix back". whaler is calling them front runners. the stance is that those "front running" fans are not worth our time and aren't fans of uconn.

my stance is that no matter casual or diehard fan, they are a type of fan that spends money and time on uconn. both types of fans are key to us building a fanbase. the other side doesn't like these fair weather fans and is calling them out for giving up on this program right now.

when die hards call out casual fans, what your saying is i think u should do xzy with your money and time. if a casual fan doesn't want to watch ****ty fball, who the **** are you to tell him to go watch anyway. there is a reason hes a casual fan and not a diehard. when a diehard starts calling our casual fans front runners and doesn't want them around becuase they are done with this staff, nothing good comes of it.

if your a diehard, go to games and do your thing. if your a casual fan, you do your thing and go to games as u please. thats how the fanhood works. i dont see casual fans posting up here that instead of going to the rent friday night, u guys should all go up the vt and ski all weekend. do u see any posts like that where casual fans tell u to do that and say otherwise you are no good to skiing and suck as a human being? i don't see any posts like that. but i do see diehards telling casual fans they are "front runners" and not worthy of uconn blah blah.

considering the size off this fanbase, its bull **** for diehard fans to be pooping on casual fans. this isn't bama or michigan. we can't fill 100k stadiums on the easy. we should instead be turning them into diehard fans. calling them out doesn't help that cause. let causal fans be pissed about this staff and not show up or not watch or w/e it is they do to support the program. warde and susan will see the views drop, money stop and act acordingly i hope. the casual fan is how u judge your product value. the diehard fan never stops.

so basically bl, since u joined this mess i ask u whats a front runner? does a team need to be a winner at some point in order to have front running fans? are casual fans all front runners? or is whaler just a clown ass? or am i just the ****ing scum of the earth?

Do not go if you don't want to go. I can't be more clear than that. But people who don't go will not be looked at as being the same level of fan as those who do go. For what should be obvious reasons.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Well from 2007-2009 off the top of my head they were 11-10. How was UConn in the Big East after he left?

I'll answer for you. 3-10 or 4-9.

Here is your test. What's better? 16-12 or 4-9?

Does Pasqualoni's failures make Edsall a better coach? Please explain.

Prior to 2010, when the Big East was a train wreck of a league, Edsall was 14-21 in Big East play. Only Syracuse was worse from 2005 to 2009.

 

[Dann]

Right on the money. Small thinkers, weak leaders trying to look good by saving a few bucks instead of making the investments required. They want to take no risk, but think somehow they will reap huge returns. Warde is a small time hire. PP was a low cost, small time hire. Ollie (who I adore) is another hedge hire. The conference debacle also is a symptom of Storrs non leadership failing to get ahead of an obvious unfolding issue.

Anybody who thinks this program is in free fall from a few bad breaks is missing the picture. You have abject incompetence in Storrs from Hathaway onward.

i agree with most of this but i am a KO guy. anyway, yes there is a level of incompetence that most of this board is missing. some of the things done already wouldnt fly at a big boy school. the students and fans would have burt campuses down over the issues. today i was driving and came up to a light out of power. a crew was working and a guy was directing ppl to turn around 1 by one and follow a detour. one by one cars turned around. the car in front of me was a gray benz with a guy 50 years old lets say as a guess. he slowly turned around and when he got straight he stoped and was just looking around. he held up traffic for a couple minutes. i got pissed but just sat and beeped like others. now that guy was pretty small time thinking about where he was going. he was able to pull the turn off but couldnt handle the next step which was get the out of the way of others even if your lost. he couldnt figure out to pull over 20 ft down the road. but hey, he has a benz and prob a nice job and lots of money so hes big time. and being big time others will follow and think you are something. ppl who have any common sense, street smarts or fiscal balls know hes an incomptent guy who will lead u down the wrong strreet instead of the detour.

 

[Dann]

Do not go if you don't want to go. I can't be more clear than that. But people who don't go will not be looked at as being the same level of fan as those who do go. For what should be obvious reasons.

i agree and thats fine. but if some one chooses to be a casual fan, why treat them like shit becuase u are a better fan(in your eyes/$wise w/e the reason). just let them be a casual fan and voice there opinion.

 

[businesslawyer]

uote="HuskyfanDan, post: 378538, member: 45"]i agree and thats fine. but if some one chooses to be a casual fan, why treat them like **** becuase u are a better fan(in your eyes/$wise w/e the reason). just let them be a casual fan and voice there opinion.[/quote]

O.K. I agree with that. I'm not sure who is telling you you then couldn't voice your opinion, but of course you can.

 

[huskymedic]

Right on the money. Small thinkers, weak leaders trying to look good by saving a few bucks instead of making the investments required. They want to take no risk, but think somehow they will reap huge returns. Warde is a small time hire. PP was a low cost, small time hire. Ollie (who I adore) is another hedge hire. The conference debacle also is a symptom of Storrs non leadership failing to get ahead of an obvious unfolding issue.

Anybody who thinks this program is in free fall from a few bad breaks is missing the picture. You have abject incompetence in Storrs from Hathaway onward.

Why the extreme venom for Herbst/Manuel?? Seems to me ( I could be wrong) - this goes beyond Football. Did you not get an interview?

 

[Dann]

uote="HuskyfanDan, post: 378538, member: 45"]i agree and thats fine. but if some one chooses to be a casual fan, why treat them like **** becuase u are a better fan(in your eyes/$wise w/e the reason). just let them be a casual fan and voice there opinion.

O.K. I agree with that. I'm not sure who is telling you you then couldn't voice your opinion, but of course you can.[/quote]

i'll voice my opinion on here as i do which is a lot. its a public message board. im not a casual fan. im a bit more than that. but u dont see me telling others things about there fan hood and such. that was the issue. this thread wasn't about me as a fan bl. i think your trying to be a funny guy and call me a casual fan, if thats the case then u and whaler should go in the woods somewhere as u 2 are 2 of the major haters here.

 

[businesslawyer]

O.K. I agree with that. I'm not sure who is telling you you then couldn't voice your opinion, but of course you can.

i'll voice my opinion on here as i do which is a lot. its a public message board. im not a casual fan. im a bit more than that. but u dont see me telling others things about there fan hood and such. that was the issue. this thread wasn't about me as a fan bl. i think your trying to be a funny guy and call me a casual fan, if thats the case then u and whaler should go **** in the woods somewhere as u 2 are 2 of the major haters here.[/quote]

Are you drinking? I was telling you you were right. I was not calling you a casual fan.

 

[whaler11]

what am i missing. no one is telling me how to spend my money, but i'm watching diehards tell casual fans how to spend theres or if they dont they are pussys and not uconn fans blah blah? am i not watching that? this argument is that we have "fair weather" fans who are posting things like "im done" or "not going" or "sending my tix back". whaler is calling them front runners. the stance is that those "front running" fans are not worth our time and aren't fans of uconn.

my stance is that no matter casual or diehard fan, they are a type of fan that spends money and time on uconn. both types of fans are key to us building a fanbase. the other side doesn't like these fair weather fans and is calling them out for giving up on this program right now.

when die hards call out casual fans, what your saying is i think u should do xzy with your money and time. if a casual fan doesn't want to watch ****ty fball, who the **** are you to tell him to go watch anyway. there is a reason hes a casual fan and not a diehard. when a diehard starts calling our casual fans front runners and doesn't want them around becuase they are done with this staff, nothing good comes of it.

if your a diehard, go to games and do your thing. if your a casual fan, you do your thing and go to games as u please. thats how the fanhood works. i dont see casual fans posting up here that instead of going to the rent friday night, u guys should all go up the vt and ski all weekend. do u see any posts like that where casual fans tell u to do that and say otherwise you are no good to skiing and suck as a human being? i don't see any posts like that. but i do see diehards telling casual fans they are "front runners" and not worthy of uconn blah blah.

considering the size off this fanbase, its bull **** for diehard fans to be pooping on casual fans. this isn't bama or michigan. we can't fill 100k stadiums on the easy. we should instead be turning them into diehard fans. calling them out doesn't help that cause. let causal fans be pissed about this staff and not show up or not watch or w/e it is they do to support the program. warde and susan will see the views drop, money stop and act acordingly i hope. the casual fan is how u judge your product value. the diehard fan never stops.

so basically bl, since u joined this mess i ask u whats a front runner? does a team need to be a winner at some point in order to have front running fans? are casual fans all front runners? or is whaler just a clown ass? or am i just the ****ing scum of the earth?

None of this was ever about casual fans - unless you think the Boneyard posters are 'casual fans'.

You really struggle with the whole reading thing don't you?

I have not told anyone what to do or how to spend their money. If you go back to the original post I used the word 'surprised'. I am legitimately surprised that fans who are invested enough to post on a message board would stop going to home games. Not drive to Syracuse. Not fly to South Florida. Go to frigging East Hartford and use tickets they in theory already have to see one of the 6 opportunities we get to go to a home game.

If you want to argue the semantics of front runner or fair weather. The people who stay home the last two games fit the generally accepted definition of both.

 

[Dann]

here we go again.... i'll mail it in and start drinking soon as result. i dream of a day when there are serious ppl handling the biz in storrs. if susan and warde can step up and become that then thats fine with me. i'll wait and make my decision on them on janurary 2nd 2013. go dogs

 

[UC990411]

None of this was ever about casual fans - unless you think the Boneyard posters are 'casual fans'.

You really struggle with the whole reading thing don't you?

I have not told anyone what to do or how to spend their money. If you go back to the original post I used the word 'surprised'. I am legitimately surprised that fans who are invested enough to post on a message board would stop going to home games. Not drive to Syracuse. Not fly to South Florida. Go to frigging East Hartford and use tickets they in theory already have to see one of the 6 opportunities we get to go to a home game.

If you want to argue the semantics of front runner or fair weather. The people who stay home the last two games fit the generally accepted definition of both.

Am I a fair weather fan because I don't want to miss the bball game to tailgate in 40 degree weather then sit on cold ass metal bleachers and watch us lose to Pitt by 30 points? I'll watch the game on TV but my priority has always been hoops. If Our AD and president had a clue and set up a viewing party on a big screen outside the rent on Friday night I'd be there but I'm not missing a hoops game

 

[whaler11]

Does Pasqualoni's failures make Edsall a better coach? Please explain.

Prior to 2010, when the Big East was a train wreck of a league, Edsall was 14-21 in Big East play. Only Syracuse was worse from 2005 to 2009.

Pure Waylon gold. Now the league he spent so many nights defending was a 'train wreck of a league'. When I would point out how bad the league was I 'hated UConn' and 'self-identified' as a UConn fan.

I will ignore the idiocy of selective endpoints on a conference record of a team upgrading from 1-AA to the 6th best 1-A league because even Waylon knows it's an stupid argument, he just has nothing else at his disposal.

Obviously Pasqualoni's failures make Edsall's tenure look better. Maybe it just isn't that easy to win 8 games in a BCS league when you are located in a geography that doesn't produce BCS level players in a similar quantity to most of the rest of the country where BCS programs exist. Maybe when you have a 38,500 seat stadium and zero tradition it isn't that easy to keep the few big time recruits home when they are recruited by Florida or Penn State.

Maybe at some point the Edsall bashers will just admit they were wrong and say you know what - that guy did a good job. Maybe that would be easier than continuing to argue pure stupidity. Maybe.

 

[whaler11]

i agree and thats fine. but if some one chooses to be a casual fan, why treat them like **** becuase u are a better fan(in your eyes/$wise w/e the reason). just let them be a casual fan and voice there opinion.

Feel free to quote the posts where anyone said anything about casual fans or their right to voice their opinion. Can't wait to reread them.

 

[whaler11]

Am I a fair weather fan because I don't want to miss the bball game to tailgate in 40 degree weather then sit on cold ass metal bleachers and watch us lose to Pitt by 30 points? I'll watch the game on TV but my priority has always been hoops. If Our AD and president had a clue and set up a viewing party on a big screen outside the rent on Friday night I'd be there but I'm not missing a hoops game

Would you be at the football game if they were 7-2 (3-1)?

Anyway it really isn't that difficult to take in the basketball game on television near the Rent and then go to the football game.

In short, yes if you stop going to the games because you don't think the team is going to win - then yes that is the definition of a fair weather fan. Seems odd people take it as an insult, it's just what the term means.

 

[jdb50]

Like Sean I never considered not going. I'll be there next year buying season tickets. Hopefully we'll be better some day. Everything is upside down right now on many fronts but I believe we will come out of this. The rest of the year will be very difficult for the players so we have to show up.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Pure Waylon gold. Now the league he spent so many nights defending was a 'train wreck of a league'. When I would point out how bad the league was I 'hated UConn' and 'self-identified' as a UConn fan.

I will ignore the idiocy of selective endpoints on a conference record of a team upgrading from 1-AA to the 6th best 1-A league because even Waylon knows it's an stupid argument, he just has nothing else at his disposal.

Obviously Pasqualoni's failures make Edsall's tenure look better. Maybe it just isn't that easy to win 8 games in a BCS league when you are located in a geography that doesn't produce BCS level players in a similar quantity to most of the rest of the country where BCS programs exist. Maybe when you have a 38,500 seat stadium and zero tradition it isn't that easy to keep the few big time recruits home when they are recruited by Florida or Penn State.

Maybe at some point the Edsall bashers will just admit they were wrong and say you know what - that guy did a good job. Maybe that would be easier than continuing to argue pure stupidity. Maybe.

If UConn hires a better coach next time, does that make Pasqualoni and Edsall worse? And all those obstacles that applied to Edsall also serve as excuses for Pasqualoni, right?

There is talent everywhere. That is no excuse. UConn is a very strong academic school in a rich state and has a very successful athletic program. The football program's wanderings between mediocrity and failure can not be blamed on anyone but the football program.

 

[Dann]

Feel free to quote the posts where anyone said anything about casual fans or their right to voice their opinion. Can't wait to reread them.

in the first page the reason this all started was u and bl went back and forth and u mentioned "casul fans". are u really that out there? yes your right, u have never spoke those words ever before until this post and i put those words in your mouth.

 

[Dann]

Oh I fully understand the difference. I'm not surprised if the casual fans toss in the towel - I'm specifically surprised that so many here who care enough to post as much as they do and are so engaged with the team are walking away from going to home games.

you clearly think everyone here is a diehard. thats where your basic part of your argument is wrong. not all here are like u and bl. some are casual but have iphones or laptops so they can google uconn on a tuesday night boared watching the kids and read us argue about what they are going to see on saturday with a buddy and a few brews.

nope i dont see "casual fan" anywhere in your post....

 

[businesslawyer]

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Maybe at some point the Edsall bashers will just admit they were wrong and say you know what - that guy did a good job. Maybe that would be easier than continuing to argue pure stupidity. Maybe.

There are Republicans I know in the tri-state area still without power clinging to their stated position that climate change doesn't exist. Don't hold your breath.