The fickleness of our fanbase

[J187Money]

fair enough. if its a bad course then we will see more bad decisions made elsewhere. if its a good decision that i couldnt see(my argument on how it should have been done) then im wrong.

but heres fact #1 in this already
-if you sign KO next year for a legit contract, then you have already ****ed up $ wise. you could have saved money and gotten the exact same result with my plan. so i find it hard to see it the other way.

Right. He will be more expensive. BUT - it is only an issue if he is SO much more expensive that it affects decision making elsewhere, but constraining the school from doing something it otherwise would have done. And I doubt it will have that kind of impact.

If he got a multi-year deal and it turns out he stinks, money is wasted in a different way. Pick your poison, but either way I think it will end up being a non-issue.

 

[Dann]

Right. He will be more expensive. BUT - it is only an issue if he is SO much more expensive that it affects decision making elsewhere, but constraining the school from doing something it otherwise would have done. And I doubt it will have that kind of impact.

If he got a multi-year deal and it turns out he stinks, money is wasted in a different way. Pick your poison, but either way I think it will end up being a non-issue.

i would liek to add this. if u could have saved money, why wouldnt u?

its the same thing as the 3 more dollars vs no dollars thing. its common sense and good decision making that are in question here.

if i saved the school a million dollars over the next 5 years with the way i did the ko contract, that million can go to mkaing a great fire and hir for the fball team, or to build puck or to the baseball stadium etc... why wouldnt u help yourself money wise? its crazy to throw away money and make bad decisions doing so.

 

[J187Money]

I don't spend any time on the BB board, but I imagine there are some to think we are crazy handing the keys to a Bentley to a guy that just got his drivers license yesterday.

 

[J187Money]

i would liek to add this. if u could have saved money, why wouldnt u?

its the same thing as the 3 more dollars vs no dollars thing. its common sense and good decision making that are in question here.

if i saved the school a million dollars over the next 5 years with the way i did the ko contract, that million can go to mkaing a great fire and hir for the fball team, or to build puck or to the baseball stadium etc... why wouldnt u help yourself money wise? its crazy to throw away money and make bad decisions doing so.

See my previous post. If he stinks and needs to be fired (and I assume you would be leading the charge)...isn't money also wasted?

 

[Dann]

I don't spend any time on the BB board, but I imagine there are some to think we are crazy handing the keys to a Bentley to a guy that just got his drivers license yesterday.

yes some are, but im not mad about that part of the issue as i am a KO guy. im mad about how it happened decision wise.

 

[Dann]

See my previous post. If he stinks and needs to be fired (and I assume you would be leading the charge)...isn't money also wasted?

no its not. we would find out he stinks until he starts as a coach next year(not this year). that contract would be 3 4 or 5 years lenght wise i would asume and it would be cheap. cheap enough that it wouldnt be wasted money becuase we didnt spend much at all. when a contract pays little, the buyout is litte.

i will not lead any charge to fire ko no matter the product. if he does bad and is not the answer then i will also want a new coach and for us to mkae the moves needed but i will not be vocal like i am for P gone. i feel ripped off bt P beyond what others do here and will not go down in flames with him here.

 

[J187Money]

yes some are, but im not mad about that part of the issue as i am a KO guy. im mad about how it happened decision wise.

That's my point. So if KO isn't the guy, you would have wasted money signing him to a long-term deal. I LOVE the idea of KO (a UCONN guy, a YOUNG guy, if it works he will be here for 20 years type of hire) but I have NO idea if he can coach or recruit.

 

[J187Money]

Maybe KO didn't want a long-term deal when he had no negotiating power. His agent I'm sure would have advised against it.

 

[Dann]

That's my point. So if KO isn't the guy, you would have wasted money signing him to a long-term deal. I LOVE the idea of KO (a UCONN guy, a YOUNG guy, if it works he will be here for 20 years type of hire) but I have NO idea if he can coach or recruit.

we do know he can recruit. the ppl who need to know know he can recruit. this year good or bad was not a fair shot and shouldnt be used to judge him. if he does well its going to cost $$. you could have waited a year to spend that money and less of it and given him a 4 year deal. he can have his time to recruit and coach under a correct contract and prove us one way or the other.

some one has to coach the team so money will always be spent. you can get ko cheaper than any hot shot young guy some one posts here. so the money is not a waste, its a good buy. but we already that up so it doesn't matter.

 

[Dann]

Maybe KO didn't want a long-term deal when he had no negotiating power. His agent I'm sure would have advised against it.

ok, as silly as this is:

then why did warde give him a 7 month contract? warde then should have turned around and given DB the contract. again this is silly but for sake....

 

[J187Money]

we do know he can recruit. the ppl who need to know know he can recruit. this year good or bad was not a fair shot and shouldnt be used to judge him. if he does well its going to cost $$. you could have waited a year to spend that money and less of it and given him a 4 year deal. he can have his time to recruit and coach under a correct contract and prove us one way or the other.

some one has to coach the team so money will always be spent. you can get ko cheaper than any hot shot young guy some one posts here. so the money is not a waste, its a good buy. but we already ****ed that up so it doesn't matter.

But if he is great he will renegotiate his deal after two years anyway so I don't think it would have saved as much as you would think. And they wouldn't get in a pissing match with him.

 

[J187Money]

ok, as silly as this is:

then why did warde give him a 7 month contract? warde then should have turned around and given DB the contract. again this is silly but for sake....

DB = who? George Blaney?

 

[mauconnfan]

They will still go ... They're just venting. The upside to having a fan base who cares more about tailgating is that they'll be there for the booze... Booze are always to be had. Stadium will look great by end of 2nd Qtr and mid way through 3rd. Other than that nothing else is guaranteed.

Guessing some will be listening or watching the mens game vs Michigan State in Germany which is live ESPN at 5:30 EST.............either not come to game or come in late..........

 

[Dann]

But if he is great he will renegotiate his deal after two years anyway so I don't think it would have saved as much as you would think. And they wouldn't get in a pissing match with him.

can't take this idea and factor it into the decision. if he does that good that this does happen, then we just won something and the $/media/fans/etc as result is flowing good so now the $ doesn't matter.


and yes db i ment gb. my bad. it was a good argument. im done for now.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Not going to games when the team is down or the coaching staff sucks (or both) is the very definition of a front runner or fair weather fan. Spin it any way you want.

There are more than enough front runners who will or have already bailed to get the message across. The die hards will be at the last 2 games.

 

[JaYnYcE]

I already bought my tickets with a group of 40 people so I can't back out now.


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[SubbaBub]

Fickleness? Some are underestimating the level of suck these past two seasons. Last year was blamed on a new system and a walk-on QB. Well, the system isn't new and no one can be complaining about the QB play after the NC State game. Which leads me to the next point. UConn didn't get into this to be a bottom feeder, or at least that's what we were sold. I for one am holding them to their promise of big boy football and as a top public "University of" with a history of athletic success the status and direction of the FB program under the current leadership is so far from acceptable a change has to be made.

PP was brought in to buoy the program knowing we had to consolidate the early success. Well, not only did that not happen it has tanked. So now were are stuck with an old staff knowingly on their last job and if they do manage to turn it around in the next season or (my gosh) two, then what? They retire and we start over again. Rip the band aid off and get back at it.

Anyone looking to play the overeacting card will need to name the successful program that has losses like these the last two seasons: Vandy, ISU, W. Mich (x2), Pitt, Temple, Syracuse, Rutgers, USF. We don't need to be Ohio State, but we shouldn't be Minnesota either.

 

[Kevin Caliendo]

Not going to games when the team is down or the coaching staff sucks (or both) is the very definition of a front runner or fair weather fan. Spin it any way you want.

this is wrong. Fans are fans. I am a fan and have had 12 season season tickets since 2003. went from all friends to friends with kids, bringing 7-12 years olds to the games. No one wants to go now. I can't give my tickets away to friends, family members. The Red Cross wouldn't even take them (I kid). at some point it comes down to what would you rather do with 5-6 hours of your life (or more) and more and more people are choosing to not go see a horrid football team that plays an incredibly boring and frustrating style of play with little to no hope that the future will be better.

only diehards and family memebers are going to go to see that. Not everyone goes to see a bad movie or play. in fact, they usually have very short runs before they are shut down. This program sold out every game and averaged over 95% capacity more than once. its now in the 80% range and declining fast. Don't blame the "fans" becasue its jsut human nature. Why spend your free time and money on something that is not in the least enjoyable?

 

[whaler11]

this is wrong. Fans are fans. I am a fan and have had 12 season season tickets since 2003. went from all friends to friends with kids, bringing 7-12 years olds to the games. No one wants to go now. I can't give my tickets away to friends, family members. The Red Cross wouldn't even take them (I kid). at some point it comes down to what would you rather do with 5-6 hours of your life (or more) and more and more people are choosing to not go see a horrid football team that plays an incredibly boring and frustrating style of play with little to no hope that the future will be better.

only diehards and family memebers are going to go to see that. Not everyone goes to see a bad movie or play. in fact, they usually have very short runs before they are shut down. This program sold out every game and averaged over 95% capacity more than once. its now in the 80% range and declining fast. Don't blame the "fans" becasue its jsut human nature. Why spend your free time and money on something that is not in the least enjoyable?

Right so only fans when things are good. You aren't disagreeing.

 

[J187Money]

Right so only fans when things are good. You aren't disagreeing.

Which really means that they aren't "fans" in the truest sense of the word. Not that I think they are wrong for not wanting to go. Of course we will lose the casual fans when we aren't winning.

 

[whaler11]

Which really means that they aren't "fans" in the truest sense of the word. Not that I think they are wrong for not wanting to go. Of course we will lose the casual fans when we aren't winning.

Right - my original post in this thread was my surprise about the number of people who post here who are talking about not going. I know the casual fans bail - I'm surprised so many here are willing to walk away from attending.

 

[sportsart]

I already bought my tickets with a group of 40 people so I can't back out now.


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Therapy group? If so do you have room for one more?

 

[sportsart]

Here's why things feel so bleak. Normally I could tolerate a thread like this. Right now it just feels like salt in the wounds.

To invoke the Edsall crap tearing him down is just pure ignorance and hatred. I hope all those who wanted Edsall gone are happy. Yes he left on his own terms but I'm hearing if any one of us worked for Hathaway we would have stepped in front of a train.

For those who hang on to the way he left and minimize all he did for this program....not much can be said. We could have been in the mode we are now 10 years ago and never come out of it.

Nelson....you've been tolerable for some time now....don't go back to being so hateful about Edsall. We know how you feel about him. Time to let go.

I have tickets for the next 2 games. I will be there. Next year I will pick and choose what games I go to. My guess is all of them. Though I don't know why I would want to see Michigan hang 50 on us when we score 6.

We have some good young talent on defense but they are just that...young. You don't just Replace Gratz, Wilson, Trevardo, Jory, Shamar and Moore and not miss a beat. It ccould be real ugly next year.

I still hold out hope that Warde has a clue.

 

[rich1122]

Back to your original post. You go to support the team and the kids - most of all the kids. They came and were proud to wear the blue and the C. Can't let them down.

 

[Sean]

I actually thought Waquiot had the best post here - he's going to the game because he never really considered not going.

That's where I'm at. I'm no longer LOOKING FORWARD to going to the game. But the reality is, I've got another option for Friday night and still never even considered that I wouldn't go. Part of it is that I do genuinely feel like the UConn football fans are my extended family, and can't pass up a chance to get together, outside, and shoot the breeze and watch some football for two final times before a long, hopefully optimistic, offseason.

 

[Kevin Caliendo]

Right so only fans when things are good. You aren't disagreeing.

ummm, things have no exactly been "good" for most of the past 10 years. My point is the program ahs a chieved a level where even loyal fans are not interested anymore

 

[Dann]

just remember this thread a couple years from now when this program is back to being a good one with a new hc and w/e. when we only have 35k at the rent to play lville and ppl here post pics of it not sold out and are wondering why. my answer will be becuase a couple big heads here ripped all our faithful casual fans for being front runners back in 2012. so they decided that ppl who like uconn fball aren't worth there time just like the product on the field back then and they found a new hobby on saturdays in the fall or some one else to root for etc.

front runner fans root for teams that win a lot and are always good or great and dont show up when they are bad. maybe im wrong here but when the were we ever ever ever good enough to where we can think that we have front runner fans in our fanbase? the bcs bowl? we won 8 games that year. dont get me wrong i love that year etc but we wern't and never were a power house team or just a high winning team.

we have a ton of causal fans who go for many different reasons to games. the sturggle has been converting them to die hards and randoms/1 timers to casual. thats how u build a fanbase. so while some ppl continue to hate on "front runners" aka the casual fans by telling them what to do with there $ and time, i'll continue to make twitter posts, do recruiting charts and other stuff that causal fans seem to enjoy and hopefully many more come out of the woodwork and join the die hard fanbase. some of my favorite posters here have within the last year joined up and been great to be around on here.

every time one of u posts hating on any type of fan uconn has, your the loser becuase every fan uconn has wether its a die hard or a bc troll is another ticket sold or tv viewer in a area or other things....

 

[ZooCougar]

Edsall wasn't perfect, and he irritated the crap out of me. But we were never this up with this level of talent under him.

With Edsall we beat Temple and WMU, the Rutgers game is closer and we beat USF.

This is a bowl caliber team that is staying home.

We may have a C offensive line, but DeLeone is making them into an F.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I know I complain a lot on the Boneyard (who doesn't?) but I'll be there Friday and I will be there for Cincy.

My group of 8-10 that I go with....well, that will be TBD.

 

[J187Money]

My wife is having surgery on Friday, and I'm still probably going.