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so bc fans the past 2 years were front runners? they didn't go to games, they didn't donate $, they created wensites and were all over the media. but they were front runners?

or they are diehard fans who saw the issue and were willing to make sure it gets fixed. they saw that hurting the school short term for a long term gain was better then letting the school go down to its death over several years more of bs. i guess bc fans are front runners. your right, they aren't fans. fans dont care so bad that they bitch n moan and create websites and threaten office interns over money and so on becuase of on field product.

stop with the front runner bull****. get off your horse and enjoy uconn. to which degree u enjoy is right now is up to u.

as for recruits, i will ontinue to be friendly with them but they actually all know my stance with this staff. otherwise if i wasnt open about it they wouldn't be able to read my twitter without decommiting from this program. im 10 steps ahead of u in many ways u dont know. mind your own business.

warde has swoung and missed once and fouled the ball down the 1st base line on another thing i would like to see more of/change imho. so he has a 0-2 count in my head right now. this coaching staff will make or break his at bat. if he wanted to be so out spoken about a bad move he made(bball contract) then how come hes being so quiet fball wise. hes either got big balls and needs to show them soon or he is a 6'5 that southtampabill could **** up. we will see soon enough.


Buddy, you can't make yourself out to be Superfan and then stop supporting the team when they go in the tank and then take offense to being called a front-runner or fair weather fan.

You want to call for the blood of the coaching staff? I started that a long time before you did. While you babbling on and on about uptick, I was pointing out these people are not qualified to run a BCS program in 2011 and forward.

10 steps ahead of me. You truly are delusional. If your ten steps are anything like the nonsense you post here I think I'll rest easy.
 
that seemed to work fine for cuse, pitt and bc? wern't u one of the guys that wanted to go to the acc? well then we are setting ourselves up to look real pretty vs pitt. the acc will see a empty stadium and ****ty fball and say, we ned to add them also like ****ing now.

no im not a front runner. didn't u read what i wrote? i was a fan back in 05/06. i watched games even when the team was bad. but back then u could see where this was going, now u can't. i thank the sr's for everything they have done, but some years just dont pan out on the field. what can i do to change that? well if i buy the shirt i usually buy, go to every game still and get the same amount of fries and dirnks and watch tv this and that then the schools thinks everything is fine becuase they are taking dumps on the field and still have my attention and $. you have to show them that something is wrong. a lot of fans are starting to do so. be happy about it and let them do what they want. its there time and money not yours. if they care enough to tell u here about there decision about the program, then when we get a new coach they will be back. u do hat u want with your money and time and so will i. the school will notice the trends.

If you really think that the school would take 0-12 if they made money you are silly. They want the athletics to be a draw to the university. Clearly the trajectory of the school is much different than it would have been without the BB programs' success. They want to continue it. If you think otherwise you are just pouting.

(much like I did when I was a 10 year old and used to scream at the TV every Sunday watching the Packers - "Do they WANT to lose? They aren't even trying!!!!" when clearly that wasn't the case - sometimes you are just bad, and it takes time to fix - when you make a bad decision in football it isn't something you can fix in 10 minutes)
 
Might be time for a different term than apologists. Seems silly to have to apologize for the success that Edsall had once you compare it to the next guy

I'm sure someone will do better but it could start with something like - oh wait, and end with something like - they were rightists.

The girlfriend you have is always better than the girlfriend who left you. The first, most important quality in any girlfriend is:

1. Is your girlfriend.

Edsall fails the first and only test.
 
The girlfriend you have is always better than the girlfriend who left you. The first, most important quality in any girlfriend is:

1. Is your girlfriend.

Edsall fails the first and only test.

The quality of play on the field is starting to manifest itself in the posting on the board. This post is sort of like bringing in the Wildcat after a 30 yard pass. All you can do is scratch your head.
 
Buddy, you can't make yourself out to be Superfan and then stop supporting the team when they go in the tank and then take offense to being called a front-runner or fair weather fan.

You want to call for the blood of the coaching staff? I started that a long time before you did. While you babbling on and on about uptick, I was pointing out these people are not qualified to run a BCS program in 2011 and forward.

10 steps ahead of me. You truly are delusional. If your ten steps are anything like the nonsense you post here I think I'll rest easy.

did i say i was going to stop doing what i was doing at any point? where did i say i was not watching next week or wasn't going to do xzy? im mad as hell but i havn't folded it in. i went to a friends house last night that has power and watched the game on his laptop. yea im a front runner by definition clearly. im saying that u are claiing our fans front runners becuase they have given up on this staff which i think is false and wrong of u.

congrats, u saw this hire as bad before i did. but were on the same page now. now i called bad hire for warde before he put ink on paper, while u were chattiong about his michigan ties and how good he did on some conf committee while at buffalo about womens sports. i was pointing out that he doesn't seem qualified to run a bcs athletic dept and this one in particular with its current issues...

yes 10 stepos ahead of u. u are delusional, my ten steps are never posted here and will never be, that would be giving cards away.
 
The quality of play on the field is starting to manifest itself in the posting on the board. This post is sort of like bringing in the Wildcat after a 30 yard pass. All you can do is scratch your head.

What I'm saying is that for all the love people show Edsall... he left. Actually wanting to coach your team is an important quality in a coach. So people compare Edsall to Pasqualoni but forget the most important quality of all -- Pasqualoni actually wants to be here.
 
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did i say i was going to stop doing what i was doing at any point? where did i say i was not watching next week or wasn't going to do xzy? im mad as hell but i havn't folded it in. i went to a friends house last night that has power and watched the game on his ****ty laptop. yea im a ****ing front runner by definition clearly. im saying that u are claiing our fans front runners becuase they have given up on this staff which i think is false and wrong of u.

congrats, u saw this hire as bad before i did. but were on the same page now. now i called bad hire for warde before he put ink on paper, while u were chattiong about his michigan ties and how good he did on some conf committee while at buffalo about womens sports. i was pointing out that he doesn't seem qualified to run a bcs athletic dept and this one in particular with its current issues...

yes 10 stepos ahead of u. u are delusional, my ten steps are never posted here and will never be, that would be giving cards away.

Hopefully one of your 10 steps is a class on reading comprehension.

I said no such thing about Warde - all i ever said about him was I have no idea if he is good or not - it's not like I get to interview candidates, so I can't judge him until he does something. I don't even know what conference committee about women's sports you are talking about - I certainly wouldn't give a damn about a committee on almost anything, forget women's sports.

I can guarantee you this much 15 years from now you'll think back to the things you posted on the Boneyard and you'll wonder how you could have ever been so clueless.
 
I will be there Fri...I root for the team and the program...not an inept coaching staff! I will say this if fans start flying "Fire DeLeone and Pasqualoni" flags in the parking lot it will send a message as well.
 
What I'm saying is that for all the love people show Edsall... he left. Actually wanting to coach your team is an important quality in a coach. So people compare Edsall to Pasqualoni but forget the most important quality of all -- Pasqualoni actually wants to be here.

You are missing the order of operations in these conversations. No one really shows Edsall 'love'. When people invoke the past and try to say he wasn't successful or start talking about Maryland it's merely pointed out that it is completely idiotic especially in the middle of the dumpster fire that Pasqualoni has started.

If the most important quality in a coach is he 'wants to be here'... well I'm sure P will continue to cash checks until he dies if you are willing to let him.
 
If you really think that the school would take 0-12 if they made money you are silly. They want the athletics to be a draw to the university. Clearly the trajectory of the school is much different than it would have been without the BB programs' success. They want to continue it. If you think otherwise you are just pouting.

(much like I did when I was a 10 year old and used to scream at the TV every Sunday watching the Packers - "Do they WANT to lose? They aren't even trying!!!!" when clearly that wasn't the case - sometimes you are just bad, and it takes time to fix - when you make a bad decision in football it isn't something you can fix in 10 minutes)



i see stars falling in line that this school may be going down a $ issue road and they are currently about to them selves money wise in doing so by making bad decisions. if you spend 10 dollars in year 1 and in year 12 you can either spend 3 more dollars to take the product to the next level(invest in long term sucess) or spend no dollars and let the initial investment go to waste, which one are you going to do?
 
Hopefully one of your 10 steps is a class on reading comprehension.

I said no such thing about Warde - all i ever said about him was I have no idea if he is good or not - it's not like I get to interview candidates, so I can't judge him until he does something. I don't even know what conference committee about women's sports you are talking about - I certainly wouldn't give a damn about a committee on almost anything, forget women's sports.

I can guarantee you this much 15 years from now you'll think back to the things you posted on the Boneyard and you'll wonder how you could have ever been so clueless.

i 15 years there will be no BY fball forum the way this school is going right now so i dont have to worry then. im not clueless at all. some here know what i bring to the table. others like u just keep hating on fans like me who are idiots/uneducated/front runners/etc..
 
What I'm saying is that for all the love people show Edsall... he left. Actually wanting to coach your team is an important quality in a coach. So people compare Edsall to Pasqualoni but forget the most important quality of all -- Pasqualoni actually wants to be here.

im off the P wagon clearly. but u are correct in this stance as much as i hate it.
 
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i 15 years there will be no BY fball forum the way this school is going right now so i dont have to worry then.

Notice I said 'think back'. You really should consider adding Reading Comprehension as an 11th secret ninja step. You'll be that much further ahead of me!
 
Notice I said 'think back'. You really should consider adding Reading Comprehension as an 11th secret ninja step. You'll be that much further ahead of me!

ok. im going to go find the next thread where your arguing with everyone possible over things.
 
Sorry if I hit a nerve here, but just an observation on the actual events taking place.

ND is leaving the Big East and choosing to play 5 ACC games each season. They are shrewd, they add to their competitive schedule, keep some of their traditional rival games, and provide even more appeal to NBC $$$. Not to mention, they now expand their recruting arm to the east coast and the fertile southeast (as if they needed that help anyway).

So they have not joined the ACC in football yet, but they add feature game$ to the ACC $chedule, ND goes their own way in the bowl process and the ACC champion still goes to a BCS bowl, everyone wins (except the Big East of course).
 
Reading all these threads, nobody writes this much, vents so extensively, with the intent on bailing. But fans are demanding that PP go. We have that right, of course, and it would heed Herbst & Warde to pay attention. They need to stop giving bs statements and make a bold move before they do lose the fan base.
 
i see stars falling in line that this school may be going down a $ issue road and they are currently about to **** them selves money wise in doing so by making bad decisions. if you spend 10 dollars in year 1 and in year 12 you can either spend 3 more dollars to take the product to the next level(invest in long term sucess) or spend no dollars and let the initial investment go to waste, which one are you going to do?

I will preface this by saying that I'm not trying to be argumentative when I ask this.

Do you have any real insight into how the school is run and its fiscal condition? What their priorities are and where the pain points are? Based on what I know or believe I know (and Herbst has told me directly that she cares about the direction of the program, the conference affiliation, etc), they will spend the 3 dollars. You may disagree on the timing, but I believe they will invest in the program until I see FACTS that prove otherwise.
 
I will preface this by saying that I'm not trying to be argumentative when I ask this.

Do you have any real insight into how the school is run and its fiscal condition? What their priorities are and where the pain points are? Based on what I know or believe I know (and Herbst has told me directly that she cares about the direction of the program, the conference affiliation, etc), they will spend the 3 dollars. You may disagree on the timing, but I believe they will invest in the program until I see FACTS that prove otherwise.
I will back up these comments about Herbst. I emailed her a few weeks ago about the state of the program...not to demand firings but to pledge my support as a fan in these tough times. She responded back to me in about 5 minutes thanking me ir my support and promising me that this program will be given the resources to compete and win on the highest levels.
 
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Reading all these threads, nobody writes this much, vents so extensively, with the intent on bailing. But fans are demanding that PP go. We have that right, of course, and it would heed Herbst & Warde to pay attention. They need to stop giving bs statements and make a bold move before they do lose the fan base.

Of course fans have the right, but a real fan goes to the last two games without even thinking about it. Someone who has tickets, would be going if the team was better but is staying home just isn't that big of a fan.
 
It would be really nice for a lot of seniors who were good to very good players to not go out winless. BWW, Gratz, Moore, Trevardo and the others... If you sit down and make a list of the seniors on this team 0-7 in this league seems almost unfathomable.

It would also be nice to keep the stain pf a winless conference season out of the history books.

You just explained why PP has to go. Second straight year of 8 win talent and 4 win results.
 
I will preface this by saying that I'm not trying to be argumentative when I ask this.

Do you have any real insight into how the school is run and its fiscal condition? What their priorities are and where the pain points are? Based on what I know or believe I know (and Herbst has told me directly that she cares about the direction of the program, the conference affiliation, etc), they will spend the 3 dollars. You may disagree on the timing, but I believe they will invest in the program until I see FACTS that prove otherwise.

i hope they spend the 3 dollars, i really do. but they have made 1 move so far that tells otherwise and it has nothing to do with the fball program.

here was the right move for the bball program

-you name DB coach this year. long time asst here and much respected. has he been getting old? sure and hes lost is touch some on the court. fine all valid. but this year is a throw away year. you can not put that year on KO's resume and in any way judeg him good or bad off that. its a crap shoot. if u judge him bad then it wasn't a fair chance. if its good how coul u say so based off things outside his control. you name DB coach for 1 year andd let him tell everyone he is retiring at years end and we can have a party with cake, jc can be guest speaker.
-what u also do is name KO coach in waiting. many here are either blind to it or refuse to realize it but the recruits from the past 2 years are 100%, 100fucking% ko/Kayleigh Heckel and the boys. JC was doing the joepa thing on the trail recently. he shoed his face at certain times and watched certain aau games and stuff. it was all ko/Kayleigh Heckel and crew on the trail. so based off that i think he could have had better sucess longterm if he was in this position.
-what this does is allows him to not only continue to tell kids hes next in line buy into me and this school but its now a fact that can be confirmed. it allows the fanbase in a down year to watch him and get excited about the future without havingg to worry during the throw away year if he can get it done and if its fair etc chance wise.
-the school as result for doing this could have signed KO to a somewhat cheap 5 year deal in march next spring. for $$ wise vs other big time programs KO could have been a great buy $$ wise for years before his next contract where he weither gets the long term your the next JC deal or bye bye u went good enough handshake.
-what happens if ko takes a ok team and makes a huge run and goes 27-2 for the year or w/e the numbers will be. then hey lets hire him blah blha and he gets his contract. you could have gotten a better deal $ wise the other way, way better deal and who is to say a certain pac school doesn't throw a bid out there just to see whats up and push uconn $ wise in a bidding war. KO would be stupid to pass up 3mil a year down the street from home vs 1 mil a year at his 2nd home. would this happen? i dont think so, but if u can't sit at your desk and atleast think about the risk of something like this then your blind.
edit add-lets talk recruiting. now instead of telling kids hes the coach of the future but teams will anti recruit and say yr deal blah bla he can go to kids and show them with proff of the furute he will be there. big boost imho.
-what we have now is a throwaway year with a fanbase split in many ways. fair chance vs not a fair chance. coaching search vs ko all the way. warde and susan have created a bunch of issues where there di not need to be issues at all. every issue is a negative one if we are talking about it. the issues they created aren't ones that will gets fans in seats for a throw away year. they are ones that turn off causal fans long term over disgust or just plain boredom as to why even bother when the school creates issues.

based off what warde and susan did so far with bball, i'm very worried money and decision wise for this atheltic dept.

edit note- dont get me going on the new policys with grades/scores for recruits. were not yale. either play ball or dont.
 
Of course fans have the right, but a real fan goes to the last two games without even thinking about it. Someone who has tickets, would be going if the team was better but is staying home just isn't that big of a fan.

Thanks for pointing out what I said on fan loyalty. . . . and ignoring the bigger point. . . those same fans deserve a better coach.
 
i hope they spend the 3 dollars, i really do. but they have made 1 move so far that tells otherwise and it has nothing to do with the fball program.

here was the right move for the bball program

-you name DB coach this year. long time asst here and much respected. has he been getting old? sure and hes lost is touch some on the court. fine all valid. but this year is a throw away year. you can not put that year on KO's resume and in any way judeg him good or bad off that. its a crap shoot. if u judge him bad then it wasn't a fair chance. if its good how coul u say so based off things outside his control. you name DB coach for 1 year andd let him tell everyone he is retiring at years end and we can have a party with cake, jc can be guest speaker.
-what u also do is name KO coach in waiting. many here are either blind to it or refuse to realize it but the recruits from the past 2 years are 100%, 100****ing% ko/Kayleigh Heckel and the boys. JC was doing the joepa thing on the trail recently. he shoed his face at certain times and watched certain aau games and stuff. it was all ko/Kayleigh Heckel and crew on the trail. so based off that i think he could have had better sucess longterm if he was in this position.
-what this does is allows him to not only continue to tell kids hes next in line buy into me and this school but its now a fact that can be confirmed. it allows the fanbase in a down year to watch him and get excited about the future without havingg to worry during the throw away year if he can get it done and if its fair etc chance wise.
-the school as result for doing this could have signed KO to a somewhat cheap 5 year deal in march next spring. for $$ wise vs other big time programs KO could have been a great buy $$ wise for years before his next contract where he weither gets the long term your the next JC deal or bye bye u went good enough handshake.
-what happens if ko takes a ok team and makes a huge run and goes 27-2 for the year or w/e the ****ing numbers will be. then hey lets hire him blah blha and he gets his contract. you could have gotten a better deal $ wise the other way, way better deal and who is to say a certain pac school doesn't throw a bid out there just to see whats up and push uconn $ wise in a bidding war. KO would be stupid to pass up 3mil a year down the street from home vs 1 mil a year at his 2nd home. would this happen? i dont think so, but if u can't sit at your desk and atleast think about the risk of something like this then your blind.
-what we have now is a throwaway year with a fanbase split in many ways. fair chance vs not a fair chance. coaching search vs ko all the way. warde and susan have created a bunch of issues where there di not need to be issues at all. every issue is a negative one if we are talking about it. the issues they created aren't ones that will gets fans in seats for a throw away year. they are ones that turn off causal fans long term over disgust or just plain boredom as to why even bother when the school creates issues.

based off what warde and susan did so far with bball, i'm very worried money and decision wise for this atheltic dept.

I hear what you are saying, and I agree with much of it in terms of what "I" might have done in their shoes. But I really don't think it was about $. I think it was about trying to navigate through strange waters trying to keep JC/KO/the fan base happy when there was really no clear slam dunk option. Disagreeing with a course of action is fine. Conjecturing (without real information) about why they did what they did is also fine, but it doesn't make it fact.

I'm convinced that the school will be in much better shape with Herbst at the helm. If she even gets the endowment to 50% of her goals, there will be more money for everything.
 
One could say that Calhoun could be lumped in with Warde and Susan with his attempts to manipulate the process.

Ollie certainly has a fair chance. If he goes out and does a great job the problem is solved, he gets his long term deal and everyone is happy.
 
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Thanks for pointing out what I said on fan loyalty. . . . and ignoring the bigger point. . . those same fans deserve a better coach.

Of course they do. I think we are all in agreement on that. Aren't we?

(I mean - even those who think we have a lack of talent still aren't happy with the coaching)
 
I hear what you are saying, and I agree with much of it in terms of what "I" might have done in their shoes. But I really don't think it was about $. I think it was about trying to navigate through strange waters trying to keep JC/KO/the fan base happy when there was really no clear slam dunk option. Disagreeing with a course of action is fine. Conjecturing (without real information) about why they did what they did is also fine, but it doesn't make it fact.

I'm convinced that the school will be in much better shape with Herbst at the helm. If she even gets the endowment to 50% of her goals, there will be more money for everything.

its either a porr decision by warde and susan or a money decision by warde and susan. it can't be neither and it can be both. its either 1 or both. i would liek to know which one of them couldnt figure out how to shape the program for the future.

for the record, i have all the faith in KO fwiw. i think he alone is a great enough guy both off the court and on the chalk board x and o'ing that he will digg susan and warde right out of this poor decision and keep the program as a top 10 one by 2014. thats how high i am on him. i think that becuase KO will suceed, warde and susans dumb decision to start wont be seen for how bad it was and as result they will make other bad ones(fball seems to be the nexct place to make a decision) and we will pay for it brutally the next few years.
 
Thanks for pointing out what I said on fan loyalty. . . . and ignoring the bigger point. . . those same fans deserve a better coach.

The two points are really unrelated. A fan goes to the game no matter who's coaching.
 
its either a porr decision by warde and susan or a money decision by warde and susan. it can't be neither and it can be both. its either 1 or both. i would liek to know which one of them couldnt figure out how to shape the program for the future.

for the record, i have all the faith in KO fwiw. i think he alone is a great enough guy both off the court and on the chalk board x and o'ing that he will digg susan and warde right out of this poor decision and keep the program as a top 10 one by 2014. thats how high i am on him. i think that becuase KO will suceed, warde and susans dumb decision to start wont be seen for how bad it was and as result they will make other bad ones(fball seems to be the nexct place to make a decision) and we will pay for it brutally the next few years.

Now I am busting your balls a little bit. If it turns out that it works out, it was still a bad course of action? Or maybe there is more than one pathway to success when dealing with a complicated situation?
 
Now I am busting your balls a little bit. If it turns out that it works out, it was still a bad course of action? Or maybe there is more than one pathway to success when dealing with a complicated situation?

fair enough. if its a bad course then we will see more bad decisions made elsewhere. if its a good decision that i couldnt see(my argument on how it should have been done) then im wrong.

but heres fact #1 in this already
-if you sign KO next year for a legit contract, then you have already up $ wise. you could have saved money and gotten the exact same result with my plan. so i find it hard to see it the other way.
 
Now I am busting your balls a little bit. If it turns out that it works out, it was still a bad course of action? Or maybe there is more than one pathway to success when dealing with a complicated situation?

I guess what I'm saying is that it might not be how I would have done it, but I don't think it is a calamity the way they did it. I like the idea of KO coaching now and having access to JC to help him. Not sure I get the 1 year contract but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I also don't worry that KO is going to leave and go somewhere else for a few extra dollars. If it was all about money he would have kept playing for another couple of years instead of leaving for the peanuts he was probably paid to come to UCONN.
 
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