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The defensive scheme is garbage.

huskymedic said:
You writing that $900k check or splitting it w/ BlueDogs ;)
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Only in football can you vastly underperform and expect to get paid 900K. Crocker's in charge of the D. He gets paid to put a competitive D on the field. That's his job. He's not even close to doing his job. He's producing the worst performing D in the FBS.
 
metsfan2323 said:
- I strongly disagree, going with 4 down lineman changes the gap assigments for the entire front 7

-Our two DE's are undersized to be lineman in the 3-4 scheme.

-adding a second interior lineman will free up Fatukasi

- our LB are also undersized for the 3-3-5. Add a 4th D-linemen, make JJ your MLB (his natural position), and make Hahn and Beavers your 2 outside LB's (speed).
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No 1,000,000 times to changing scheme temporarily. Long term damage not worth minimum short term gain. Your two choices are to stick with it and take your lumps, or move on from Crocker now.
 
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Excalibur said:
No 1,000,000 times to changing scheme temporarily. Long term damage not worth minimum short term gain. Your two choices are to stick with it and take your lumps, or move on from Crocker now.
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So you want to "tear the defense down to the studs" and build long term. No thanks Red Pants. Half the defense is graduating anyway. And if the changes work why would we go back to the 3-3-5? Why are we suddenly locked into this 3-3-5? Crocker seems like a smart guy, let him expand his repertiore. I like Crocker, and i'm confident he's not a one trick pony. You can't be a one trick pony in football because the game is forever evolving.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
So you want to "tear the defense down to the studs" and build long term. No thanks Red Pants. Half the defense is graduating anyway.
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what is wrong with you people? if you never want to rebuild again then we will never be good. the amount of short-term gratification some of you require is worrisome.
 
metsfan2323 said:
For God sakes - Winning this year and building long term are not mutually exclusive.
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they are if you completely change the defensive scheme of the coordinator you hired to run that specific scheme.
 
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jimva said:
Nonsense. When you inherit a sandwich you have nothing else to eat.

Great rebound by O and D in second half. Very optimistic about the future, although this year may be tough to live through at times.
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Tough all right. We may already have the only win we're going to get. I picked four, but that's starting to look pretty close to a pipe dream. Perhaps one or maybe two opponents will come in so supremely overconfident that we pull an upset or two, but strictly on paper, we beat nobody left on our schedule, home or away. A couple of 40-60 point drubbings would not surprise me in the least, unless we experience some sudden, miraculous transformation pretty soon.
 
The Funster said:
meh, I'd rather see the 335 scrapped and see them play a nickel 425. 3 down DL makes it too easy for the RB to get to the 2nd level. If they do stay with 335 they have to find a way to blitz more with DBs on passing downs. Yes there aren't any athletes but the 335 isn't meant to be played vanilla. There has to be an element of attack other wise it just gets picked apart.
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The huge gaps you're left with in the 3-3-5 have to get filled by somebody. Unfortunately, our LBs are a weak link, so that doesn't happen, inviting teams to run, or due to the lack of a pass rush, spend all day surveying the field, which turns all QBs into Tom Bradys.
 
the 3-3-5 is here to stay. First of all, those of you pining for 4 down linemen, You do realize we only have 3 Interior Linemen in the rotation!!. It's not like we have lots of depth on the d line. Connor Freeborn was the 2nd string DE.

Those looking for different linebackers- here is the whole crew: Stapleton, Diggs, Joseph, Britton, Santana, Hahn and now Beavers took off the redshirt. Again, not so much depth.

Bottom line, Obi. took care of half the field and Williams was underated. The cupboard was not left stocked at any defensive level. The secondary can't keep people in front of them and can't tackle well. That said, they are young and will get better. Crocker has more levels to his scheme but is hamstrung right now. We haven't seen his defense and really won't until some point NEXT year.
 
hardcorehusky said:
the 3-3-5 is here to stay. First of all, those of you pining for 4 down linemen, You do realize we only have 3 Interior Linemen in the rotation!!. It's not like we have lots of depth on the d line. Connor Freeborn was the 2nd string DE.

Those looking for different linebackers- here is the whole crew: Stapleton, Diggs, Joseph, Britton, Santana, Hahn and now Beavers took off the redshirt. Again, not so much depth.

Bottom line, Obi. took care of half the field and Williams was underated. The cupboard was not left stocked at any defensive level. The secondary can't keep people in front of them and can't tackle well. That said, they are young and will get better. Crocker has more levels to his scheme but is hamstrung right now. We haven't seen his defense and really won't until some point NEXT year.
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thank you. some people just don't get it.
 
metsfan2323 said:
- I strongly disagree, going with 4 down lineman changes the gap assigments for the entire front 7

-Our two DE's are undersized to be lineman in the 3-3-5 scheme. Add a second interior lineman and that problem is fixed.

-adding a second interior lineman will also free up Fatukasi to be more of a playmaker.

- our LB's lack the playmaking ability required for the 3-3-5. Add a 4th D-linemen, make JJ your MLB (his natural position), and make Hahn and Beavers your 2 outside LB's (speed).

I also strongly reject this notion that we can't change because the 3-3-5 is here for the long run. Screw that Diacoesque bullcrap. Go with the best scheme for our personnel this year and worry about next year next year. If Crocker is worth keeping he should be smart enough to adjust on the fly and find a scheme that fits this team right now. The mandate is to give the team the best chance to win each week.

It's only September. Fix the Defense and beat SMU.
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This is the first post that actually gave some explanation as to why the 3-3-5 might be the problem. So thank you for a thoughtful post. That said, I still don't buy that the schema is the problem. Look at the way most offenses are today. Empty backfields and 5 receiver sets. Last year we were burned several times when our linebackers were isolated against a receiver downfield. The idea of having more fast athletic guys seems to make sense against today's offenses. Understand that the results have been terrible so far and that is frustrating. But I think they will improve.
 
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JMick said:
ah. just as I expected. an old white faux christian.
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You're big on bringing race, age and religion into the midst of stuff you know nothing about...you're a classic loser punk. Go play somewhere else.
 
BlueDogs said:
You're big on bringing race, age and religion into the midst of stuff you know nothing about...you're a classic loser punk. Go play somewhere else.
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you went after my age first. you have jesus in the huddle as your avatar. you attacked my avatar. keep playing the victim, but know you brought all of this upon yourself first.

also know, the avatar is really for the cesspool. if you'd like to really get into it and get ripped a new one join us in the 'pool some time. we all enjoy fresh meat.
 
BlueDogs said:
Only in football can you vastly underperform and expect to get paid 900K. Crocker's in charge of the D. He gets paid to put a competitive D on the field. That's his job. He's not even close to doing his job. He's producing the worst performing D in the FBS.
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He’s also playing Freshman’s and inexperienced players on D. He’s proven the 3-3-5 works. Give it time sheez.
 
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hardcorehusky said:
the 3-3-5 is here to stay. First of all, those of you pining for 4 down linemen, You do realize we only have 3 Interior Linemen in the rotation!!. It's not like we have lots of depth on the d line. Connor Freeborn was the 2nd string DE.

Those looking for different linebackers- here is the whole crew: Stapleton, Diggs, Joseph, Britton, Santana, Hahn and now Beavers took off the redshirt. Again, not so much depth.

Bottom line, Obi. took care of half the field and Williams was underated. The cupboard was not left stocked at any defensive level. The secondary can't keep people in front of them and can't tackle well. That said, they are young and will get better. Crocker has more levels to his scheme but is hamstrung right now. We haven't seen his defense and really won't until some point NEXT year.
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Thank you!
 
hardcorehusky said:
the 3-3-5 is here to stay. First of all, those of you pining for 4 down linemen, You do realize we only have 3 Interior Linemen in the rotation!!. It's not like we have lots of depth on the d line. Connor Freeborn was the 2nd string DE.

Those looking for different linebackers- here is the whole crew: Stapleton, Diggs, Joseph, Britton, Santana, Hahn and now Beavers took off the redshirt. Again, not so much depth.

Bottom line, Obi. took care of half the field and Williams was underated. The cupboard was not left stocked at any defensive level. The secondary can't keep people in front of them and can't tackle well. That said, they are young and will get better. Crocker has more levels to his scheme but is hamstrung right now. We haven't seen his defense and really won't until some point NEXT year.
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Exactly....
As others have said, we rushed four for a majority of the game. We still didn’t get pressure. So, based on personnel how can this team (which is already thin on the DL) go to a 4-man front? Because, I don’t see many 6’3-6’5, 300+ DTs on the roster. To run a 4-man front you have to have at least an 8-man rotation and at least 6 DTs that could rotate. Where are those DTs coming from? Because, only 7 guys played(*) and 3 would be considered “true” DTs (without Okounam). We don’t have the personnel or the depth at that position to run a 4-front.
 
kris1 said:
Exactly....
As others have said, we rushed four for a majority of the game. We still didn’t get pressure. So, based on personnel how can this team (which is already thin on the DL) go to a 4-man front? Because, I don’t see many 6’3-6’5, 300+ DTs on the roster. To run a 4-man front you have to have at least an 8-man rotation and at least 6 DTs that could rotate. Where are those DTs coming from? Because, only 7 guys played(*) and 3 would be considered “true” DTs (without Okounam). We don’t have the personnel or the depth at that position to run a 4-front.
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we barely have the personnel to run a defense at all. I get that it's frustrating but hopefully in a couple years we'll be more worried about finding a new OC and DC because the current guys got the ball rolling. I just hate the idea that people want to throw away crockers defensive identity 1/4 way through year 1.
 
kris1 said:
Exactly....
As others have said, we rushed four for a majority of the game. We still didn’t get pressure. So, based on personnel how can this team (which is already thin on the DL) go to a 4-man front? Because, I don’t see many 6’3-6’5, 300+ DTs on the roster. To run a 4-man front you have to have at least an 8-man rotation and at least 6 DTs that could rotate. Where are those DTs coming from? Because, only 7 guys played(*) and 3 would be considered “true” DTs (without Okounam). We don’t have the personnel or the depth at that position to run a 4-front.
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Kris1, I'm not looking to hijack the thread, but do you think Travis Jones may end up a DT for us next year rather than on the Oline? I see him as the kind of kid we need to anchor the 3 man d line next year.
 
Exit 4 said:
Kris1, I'm not looking to hijack the thread, but do you think Travis Jones may end up a DT for us next year rather than on the Oline? I see him as the kind of kid we need to anchor the 3 man d line next year.
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his coach thinks he's a dlineman. he was really, really good against X on the dline. I could see it, but I'm sure we won't know until camp.
 
JMick said:
we barely have the personnel to run a defense at all. I get that it's frustrating but hopefully in a couple years we'll be more worried about finding a new OC and DC because the current guys got the ball rolling. I just hate the idea that people want to throw away crockers defensive identity 1/4 way through year 1.
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Because it works on Madden???
 
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