The all things Boyle Merged Thread

[uconnbill]

You are correct, Diaco wasnt recruiting for UConn 2 years ago but the CT HS FB coaches associations' favorite was, PP. But if I remember correctly UConn was his fall back school. Didnt he choose BCU even though he had the sufferable offer from Florida?
Diaco likes mobility out of his QB's - that is not TB's strenght - thats probably why he recruited Davis with the ODU offer and brought in the mobile QB transfer from NC ST.
Listen, I am not trying to get in a peeing match - I am 1000% behind what is best for UConn FB moving forward that is why I am backing a coaches decision and not the local FB hero fans choice. If Boyle was going to be a big surprise he had spring and summer to show it - I wish he could have kept the redshirt but that is out of play at this point. If and when he comes in I will be hoping and cheering for him and the team and if he wins the job great - but there is nothing that is stated from coaches or media that he will surprise - I pray they are all wrong and he goes 3 for 3 for 3 TD's.

I disagree that Boyle is not mobile. I watched him play a number of times in high school and he could ran pretty well, but preferred to stay in the pocket. He was a gunslinger in high school and my hope is more discipline which I bet he is.

 

[whaler11]

LMAO.

It was a joke. Lighten up.

I apologize for all the negativity displayed while predicting 8-5, sticking with 6-6, and saying repeatedly that this team has more talent than people are giving it credit for. I apologize for saying that you can see Diaco is laying a foundation for a solid program and praising him for getting the players to buy in so quickly.

I apologize for judging our QB situation not just based on the performance of one player, but the performance of both players, and the belief that Diaco has decided on the current starter because that gives us the best chance to win now and/or is best for the program long term.

God forbid I mock the one stupid thing Diaco says because I'd like to find some humor in our current situation.

I thought the negativity stemmed from what we see on the field, from conference realignment, growling dogs on third downs, and mediocre attendance. Self awareness? I never thought I was so important I could drive this board to so much negativity. I've lived in New England my entire life. I thought complaining was what we did best. Jimmy and I driving it? Please.

This board spent years cutting down our own program by belittling our Fiesta Bowl appearance and conference championships. Some of our own fans called us the worst BCS team ever and refused to acknowledge us as conference champions because we were "co-champs" and they didn't like the head coach.

Forgive me if I'm self aware enough to know that there will be complaining and negativity on this board, from this fanbase, for anything less than 13-0. Even then, someone would probably say "yeah but..."

To the OP - which game did PP start Boyle in?

You hit on a hilarious aspect of the Boneyard. The idea that what people post here matters.

 

[PRHusky]

Welcome to the BY Mrs. Boyle

This comment is so ironic, coming from Mrs. Whitmer...

 

[Bonehead]

This comment is so ironic, coming from Mrs. Whitmer...

Difference being Mr Diaco agrees with Mrs Whitmer and not Mrs Boyle

 

[UconnFamily]

I disagree that Boyle is not mobile. I watched him play a number of times in high school and he could ran pretty well, but preferred to stay in the pocket. He was a gunslinger in high school and my hope is more discipline which I bet he is.

+1 Diaco said he was fast enough to run out of the pocket... Bonehead did you read the article where HCBD talks about Tim Boyle? I believe you and BD are talking about 2 different Tim Boyle's.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Are we really arguing about whether Diaco prefers Davis or Boyle?

 

[Bonehead]

+1 Diaco said he was fast enough to run out of the pocket... Bonehead did you read the article where HCBD talks about Tim Boyle? I believe you and BD are talking about 2 different Tim Boyle's.

yeah - the same one where he said he wanted to redshirt him?

 

[UconnFamily]

You are correct, Diaco wasnt recruiting for UConn 2 years ago but the CT HS FB coaches associations' favorite was, PP. But if I remember correctly UConn was his fall back school. Didnt he choose BCU even though he had the sufferable offer from Florida?
Diaco likes mobility out of his QB's - that is not TB's strenght - thats probably why he recruited Davis with the ODU offer and brought in the mobile QB transfer from NC ST.
Listen, I am not trying to get in a peeing match - I am 1000% behind what is best for UConn FB moving forward that is why I am backing a coaches decision and not the local FB hero fans choice. If Boyle was going to be a big surprise he had spring and summer to show it - I wish he could have kept the redshirt but that is out of play at this point. If and when he comes in I will be hoping and cheering for him and the team and if he wins the job great - but there is nothing that is stated from coaches or media that he will surprise - I pray they are all wrong and he goes 3 for 3 for 3 TD's.

Tim Boyle did show out in spring;

"QB Boyle Looks Good

It could be pretty scary for the quarterback position, too. The guy who started, Casey Cochran (10 of 20, 91 yards, one interception), wasn't as sharp as he is capable of being. Chandler Whitmer (19 of 26, 163 yards, 1 TD), who started the first five games of the 2013 season, was the most productive and he wasn't as careless with the ball, but he could still be more careful. Tim Boyle (7 of 14, 97 yards) probably looked the best."

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn...tball-blue-white-0413-20140412,0,664187.story

 

[UconnFamily]

yeah - the same one where he said he wanted to redshirt him?

For the D#mn future you don't get that?

 

[Bonehead]

For the D#mn future you don't get that?

Yes - thats why I dont think he should play unless injury. Stick with the plan. He can get plenty of reps at practice.

But now that plan has changed and he is getting minimal snaps - why not 51/49?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If the decision to RS Boyle this year was done with the knowledge and opinion that he gave us the best chance to win on Saturdays then I'd want Diaco fired tomorrow.

This is where I am completely stunned by the boneyard.

Are you actually claiming that there is no way to argue that we could be better served (as a program, over the long haul) by placing a higher value in potentially adding a few more wins in 2017 than potentially adding those (likely fewer as we are transitioning a defense and rebuilding an offensive line) in 2014?

Before you answer that think of how the program's fortunes would have been different if Dan Orlovsky could have played for us in 2005.

 

[UconnFamily]

Yes - thats why I dont think he should play unless injury. Stick with the plan. He can get plenty of reps at practice.

But now that plan has changed and he is getting minimal snaps - why not 51/49?

BD is not going to just throw Boyle into the fire, he's going to ease him in the game. If Tim get's the hot arm the snaps will change during the game.

 

[CTMike]

Anyone who makes hard and fast conclusions about Boyle's ability based off of last year is just off base. There are multitudes of reasons for this. He was bad last year, no doubt, but that in no way represents his ceiling or potential for growth.

That said - he competed this year, new staff, and the decision was made that he needed more time. CC and CW gave us a better chance to win.

All of that is out the window now.

I see it week to week. If CW gives us the best chance this week... Ok. If he gets hurt or plays himself out of a role... Then this becomes on the job training for Boyle who can hopefully put it to good use next year. I'm not expecting miracles this year regardless.

 

[businesslawyer]

I'm totally confused. Weren't you the one who questioned the coaches for splitting the duties between Whitmer and Cochran?

I don't think the premise here is preposterous.

A true freshman QB 1 month into college has a load of growing to do. Putting him out there is throwing him to the wolves.

Whether he's grown or not in the last 12 months is another story entirely.

I don't understand your confusion? What does thinking CC should have been on the field all the time have to do with assuming that Whitmer is more ready to play than Boyle based on the fact that he was and is ahead of Boyle on the depth chart?

 

[joey3$trike$]

Well Boyle get to prove how much he's learned starting Saturday. I hope he outplays Whitmer and becomes the starter going forward. Wish him the best of luck, Uconn Nation is behind him.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You are correct, Diaco wasnt recruiting for UConn 2 years ago but the CT HS FB coaches associations' favorite was, PP. But if I remember correctly UConn was his fall back school. Didnt he choose BCU even though he had the sufferable offer from Florida?
Diaco likes mobility out of his QB's - that is not TB's strenght - thats probably why he recruited Davis with the ODU offer and brought in the mobile QB transfer from NC ST.
Listen, I am not trying to get in a peeing match - I am 1000% behind what is best for UConn FB moving forward that is why I am backing a coaches decision and not the local FB hero fans choice. If Boyle was going to be a big surprise he had spring and summer to show it - I wish he could have kept the redshirt but that is out of play at this point. If and when he comes in I will be hoping and cheering for him and the team and if he wins the job great - but there is nothing that is stated from coaches or media that he will surprise - I pray they are all wrong and he goes 3 for 3 for 3 TD's.

We're all just fans. Here's what it comes down to for me at this point. Boyle has the physical tools to be our best QB since Dan O. I have no freaking idea whether he will ever put it together and play that way. However, I think Chandler Whitmer is what he is. I have no confidence that we will: (a) see much more out of him than we saw last week against the worst team we'll face all year or (b) win many games with him as a our QB. Therefore, I believe that if he's still our best QB a couple of weeks from now, the season is lost. Being an optimist and always trying to find the bright side, I can't bring myself to face that. So I choose instead to believe that Boyle will have that light switch go off, will make a huge leap and win us some football games.

Don't get me wrong, if Whitmer suddenly changes and becomes Kurt Warner, I'll be thrilled. But at this point we've got two QBs, neither of which have been good. One has played for almost three years and is less physically talented. The other is a sophomore, played 3 games against very good teams last year and hasn't played since. Of the two, if I had to bet on one of them to become more than he has been so far, I think it's more likely that Boyle does it.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The one hard, fast conclusion I can make about Boyle based on last year is that he clearly has the best physical tools of any QB we've had sine Dano. He may (due to his mobility) even exceed Dano in terms of physical tools (I know, there is far more than merely size, mobility and arm strength involved in being a quality QB, which is why I limited my response to physical tools).

 

[ddent68]

Boyle should stay on the bench. It's not safe out there.

 

[upstater]

I don't understand your confusion? What does thinking CC should have been on the field all the time have to do with assuming that Whitmer is more ready to play than Boyle based on the fact that he was and is ahead of Boyle on the depth chart?

I was responding to the part of your post that put ultimate trust in the coaches. I agreed with what you wrote a month ago about Cochran. The decision to split is still a head scratcher. This is why I'm wondering what is going on at the QB position.

 

[businesslawyer]

If Boyle is the better QB right now he should start. I believe the fact he isn't starting means he isn't the better QB right now. He could be by the end of the year. Both of them can improve within the year. Hopefully they both do.

Saying "exactly this" doesn't begin to show how right this is. All this speculation is totally overwhelming the only two things that are facts: (i) that Whitmer's play last year, at least measured statistically, was far, far better than Boyle's (I think the statistics are consistent with what I saw, but that is an opinion that no one has to pay any attention to); and (ii) Whitmer was and is ahead of Boyle on the depth chart. Neither of those are debatable statements.

Look, I've seen Whitmer this year and I'm not high on him. If Boyle is Tom Brady, great. No one will be any happier than me. But the FACT is that it is pure, unsupported speculation to ASSUME that Boyle's play is going to be on a far higher plane than Whitmer's.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

This is where I am completely stunned by the boneyard.

Are you actually claiming that there is no way to argue that we could be better served (as a program, over the long haul) by placing a higher value in potentially adding a few more wins in 2017 than potentially adding those (likely fewer as we are transitioning a defense and rebuilding an offensive line) in 2014?

Before you answer that think of how the program's fortunes would have been different if Dan Orlovsky could have played for us in 2005.

I am arguing that if playing Boyle gives you a better chance to win this year you play him. Neither you nor I can predict what level of impact playing Boyle now will have in terms of wins and losses. If the coaches think he gives us the best chance to win this year, you play him. 2017 be damned. The only QB to go through all 5 years of eligibility at UConn has been JMac (a walkon).

This program is hanging by a thread and you're worried about 2017?

 

[Fishy]

Welcome to the BY Mrs. Boyle

STFU.

 

[BlueDogs]

He's what we got, so I hope he lives up to the prognostication. Hard to tell from last year given that the line was Swiss Cheese. Put Manzel back there last year and his stats would be 2,000 yards rushing for his life.

 

[businesslawyer]

Exactly! +1

If Whitmer was just going to sit and watch CC play, this hypothesis would make sense. But he wasn't. We know from opening day that Whitmer was going to get somewhere around a third or more of the snaps. To think he'd get this many snaps if Boyle was clearly better than him makes no sense to me.

But enough. I've made my point. Obviously not everyone see it that way.

 

[businesslawyer]

I was responding to the part of your post that put ultimate trust in the coaches. I agreed with what you wrote a month ago about Cochran. The decision to split is still a head scratcher. This is why I'm wondering what is going on at the QB position.

O.K., but I still don't get what you think is inconsistent. I provided my opinion that what the coaches were doing playing two QBs wasn't the right way to go. By providing my opinion, that doesn't mean that I think a rational person should believe that the next time the coaches make a decision I disagree with that I'm more likely to be right than them. I make this point every year.

 

[UconnFan33]

To the OP - which game did PP start Boyle in?

You hit on a hilarious aspect of the Boneyard. The idea that what people post here matters.

Thats my bad I should have said Weist..and my original point was probably a bit too harsh on Whitmer..but if Boyle is as good as I beleive he will be Uconn is not that far away from becoming relevant again...again my opinion but Boyle has the potential to be a turning point for the program

 

[Pudge]

My view of Boyle ...

I remember the kid's first 5 plays as getting me very excited. I honestly saw a ton of talent & saw something that led me to really hope we had a good prospect to lead us to a more successful program.

That turned. I think he got hit & roughed up. I think he got down on himself because balls were dropped and the confusion of bigger level of football hurt his confidence. One year later? Kids are resilient. He can be far better and humility is a positive. He was not good in several games. I think he has the tools and throws a really great ball. I think he needed a redshirt Soph year. But ... what the hell, let's see where the chips fall. He could definitely be the answer.

 

[upstater]

O.K., but I still don't get what you think is inconsistent. I provided my opinion that what the coaches were doing playing two QBs wasn't the right way to go. By providing my opinion, that doesn't mean that I think a rational person should believe that the next time the coaches make a decision I disagree with that I'm more likely to be right than them. I make this point every year.

Maybe I misunderstood you, and I'm obviously not going to look back from a month ago, but I thought you were questioning the very idea that Whitmer might even be considered the equal of Cochran.

 

[CL82]

Far from Mrs Boyle...do I know the kid...yes. Do I think hes better then Whitmer...yes. Would I go out on a limb and say he will be the best QB in the American next year...yes. My overall point is this...he wasn't red shirted based on ability...there were factors such as future depth...learning curve..etc. But now all that is out the Window meaning if hes gonna burn the shirt...might as well give him the reigns and start getting some continuity in the offense.

Well clearly you are unbiased. Thank you for your opinion!

FWIW, I'm looking forward to seeing Tim play but I'm not quite ready to start building a shelf for the Heisman just yet.

 

[businesslawyer]

Maybe I misunderstood you, and I'm obviously not going to look back from a month ago, but I thought you were questioning the very idea that Whitmer might even be considered the equal of Cochran.

No, I did that. Based on what I saw on the field last year. I understand speculation about player personnel based on what happens in games. Like those who liked Endres more than Frazier, in '11 after we had seen them both play in '09 and '10. But that's different than assuming someone has gotten better than the last time we've seen him with no evidence of it and the coaches not picking him to play.

I'm answering your questions, but I'm going to walk away from the discussion. I've said enough. Whether or not everyone else thinks they have.