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150 million is peanuts to ND especially when spread out over years

Notre Dame’s operating budget for the fiscal year 2021–22 is $1.5 billion, and the market value of its endowment is approximately $13.3 billion.
 
Stinger92860 said:
150 million is peanuts to ND especially when spread out over years

Notre Dame’s operating budget for the fiscal year 2021–22 is $1.5 billion, and the market value of its endowment is approximately $13.3 billion.
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Joining the Big !0 or SEC would increase their revenues by maybe $25 to $30 million per year. Thus, increased revenues would pay off the penalty in 5 or 6 years. So, they could justify a move to a conference just on increased revenues.
 
Viet Vet said:
Notre Dame "cares less about money". Is that why they have an independent national TV contract?
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huskymedic said:
Yup… worth the read in regards to ND:

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ND earns less in TV money than any P5 school.

Illinois and Purdue make about $20 million a year more than ND in TV money.

ND has left tens of millions of dollars of TV money on the table by being an independent.

(ND thinks that it is worth it)

ND has the NBC contract for two reasons 1) Exposure and (2 to remain independent in football
 
CONN78SEJ said:
Because all the Big 12 state’s economies, especially Texas cities that are home to other Big 12 schools will take big economic hits. Job losses will be widespread when and if Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12. Cities like Fort Worth, Waco, and Lubbock will take huge economic hits, and that’s just Texas.
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Huge economic hits? I don't think so.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
I don’t know what crazy source you are using but for the past five seasons with 2019 being the last time they played football, the Big Ten had 6 teams in the top 25, SEC had 5.

2018, the SEC had 6, the Big Ten had 5.

2017, they tied with 5 teams each.

2016, SEC had 5, Big Ten had 4……however all 4 Big Ten teams were in the top 10 and only one of the SEC teams made the top ten.

2015, Big Ten had 6, SEC had 5

According to the AP
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Regardless, the SEC is a much better football conference. Rankings often are a joke. The SEC wins championships which is what matters.
 
billybud said:
As we are finding out about the Civil War Confederacy, feelings are passed on and strong 150 years later.

Many casual fans may not know of the anti-Catholic feelings espoused by members of the Big Ten when Notre Dame sought entrance years ago...In fact, the reason for Notre Dame's far flung schedules is rooted in the attempts by the Big Ten to freeze them out.

Yost, at Michigan, was widely known for anti-Catholic and anti immigrant prejudice...and he blackballed the Irish from the Michigan schedule from 1910 until his retirement in 1941...he led a Big ten blackball effort.

From ESPN...

So many schools blackballed Notre Dame that the school adopted a nationwide schedule just to survive. As Rockne drove the Fighting Irish to succeed, the university came to represent the millions of Catholic immigrants from Europe who saw in the team a piece of themselves. Rockne became a national figure and his renown carried college football along for the ride.

Notre Dame folks do remember.
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That was like a gazillion years ago and I'm not a kid. Don't see it as even a drop in the bucket moving forward.
 
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Jimdish255 said:
That was like a gazillion years ago and I'm not a kid. Don't see it as even a drop in the bucket moving forward.
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Ask ND fans (pick a board) how they feel about the Big Ten and possible ND membership.

You are dealing with long memories, people who hold grudges and people who are raised from birth to despise the Big Ten.

Will that matter? Time will tell. I think the SEC is the better option if ND is forced into a football conference.
 
Notre Dame fans, by and large, do not like the Big Ten...and a gazillion years ago or not, they rknow the story of the animosity of the Big Ten, the anti-catholicism, the freeze out, the attempt to throttle Notre Dame's program by blackballing it in it's infancy.

The past isn't dead, it isn't even really past. If you have posted on the Irish boards over the years (for me, Irish Envy, Under the Dome), you will have had a finger on that pulse.
 
And that moron President of Ohio State, Gordon Gee....in the last decade. Just a slip?

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The president of Ohio State University said Notre Dame never was invited to join the Big Ten because the university's priests are not good partners, joking that "those damn Catholics" can't be trusted, according to a recording of a meeting he attended late last year.

Notre Dame responded...

"We find the remarks most regrettable, particularly regarding Father Joyce, who served Notre Dame and collegiate athletics so well and for so long. President Gee has contacted Father Jenkins to offer an apology that he has accepted," Notre Dame said in a statement.

The past isn't really dead.
 
huskymedic said:
There was a typo fixed in chart:

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Not surprised they draw poorly on TV. Most of the PAC12 does not draw many live fans to their FB games. I saw some figures recently (can't remember where so am not able to link) that showed that in 2019, the most recent 'normal season' only three PAC 12 schools (WA, USC & OR) averaged more than 50K at their home games. Many had average crowds that would pretty much fit in the Rent.
 
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billybud said:
And that moron President of Ohio State, Gordon Gee....in the last decade. Just a slip?

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The president of Ohio State University said Notre Dame never was invited to join the Big Ten because the university's priests are not good partners, joking that "those damn Catholics" can't be trusted, according to a recording of a meeting he attended late last year.

Notre Dame responded...

"We find the remarks most regrettable, particularly regarding Father Joyce, who served Notre Dame and collegiate athletics so well and for so long. President Gee has contacted Father Jenkins to offer an apology that he has accepted," Notre Dame said in a statement.

The past isn't really dead.
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Not sure the Big 10 is more anti-Catholic than large sections of the Deep South even today. Check some comments from SBC leaders sometime.
 
freescooter said:
Not sure the Big 10 is more anti-Catholic than large sections of the Deep South even today. Check some comments from SBC leaders sometime.
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You never hear a whisper from the universities or football programs....and yes. I was raised and schooled catholic in the deep south of the 1950's-60's when anti-catholicism was thinly veiled...but not at the intitutional level.

Most do not realize that at one time Indiana was the hot spot for the Klan...not Alabama.

At its peak, the Klan counted among its members the governor of Indiana, more than half of the state legislature and an estimated 30 percent of all native-born white men in the state. More than 250,000 Hoosiers swelled the Klan's ranks – some because they believed in its anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic message, others because being on good terms with the Klan was necessary for their business or political aspirations – making it the largest Klan organization in the country.

In less than three years, Stephenson grew the Indiana membership to more than 425,000 people, more than that of Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia combined.

In Indiana, the 1920s Klan did not target black people as “the other” because there weren’t many. Instead, its nativist anger focused on the threat of Catholicism, which was widely mistrusted as an anti-American force taking orders from foreigners in the Vatican. Notre Dame sewers were rumored to harbor an arsenal for a Catholic uprising.



 
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And part of the Notre Dame lore was the story of the anti-catholic Klan organizing a march in South Bend...

500 students met the robed Kansmen and whipped them...and Father Walsh, in 1927, approved the name "Fighting Irish".
 
billybud said:
And part of the Notre Dame lore was the story of the anti-catholic Klan organizing a march in South Bend...

500 students met the robed Kansmen and whipped them...and Father Walsh, in 1927, approved the name "Fighting Irish".
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The Klan in the North back then was more anti-Catholic than anti-African-American. since the African-American population there was relatively small then.

My grandparents had a Klan cross burned in their yard, since he was Catholic and a pit boss in the Southwestern Pa. coal mine near their house.

This, in my opinion, was merely an extension of the anti-Irish Catholic Know Nothing Party and the "No Irish Need Apply" attitudes that existed sixty years earlier than that.

It is interesting that many other people dislike ND but seem surprised that ND people dislike them intensely right back, maybe even more so.

That is one reason ND fans like it when ND wins and was a big reason ND gained a national fan base (mostly Catholic) by going barnstorming as an independent out of necessity.

Beating those other folks and knowing how much it pisses them off when ND wins is an added benefit.

For ND fans, it has always been them against just about everyone else. That is just a one hundred year old fact.

You can't just dismiss it as something that happened a long time ago when it forms the basis of ND's fans' attitudes and beliefs right now.

Why do you think ND fans want football independence so much? They don't trust anyone else.

We think that the Big Ten just wants to control and minimize ND, just like a hundred years ago.
 
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-> The Big Ten, Pac-12 and ACC are expected to make a formal announcement about their alignment soon, perhaps as early as next week, multiple sources told The Athletic. It's not yet clear how specific the announcement will be because there are so many details to iron out, although administrators in all three leagues have stressed in recent conversations that issues of governance can and should be front and center.
Schools within the three conferences believe they are like-minded, that they want to continue to prioritize broad-based sports offerings and that the academic profile of their institutions matters — as does graduating athletes. For example, Big Ten schools sponsor an average of 24.8 sports per campus, with the ACC (23.8) and Pac-12 (22.9) not far behind. SEC schools offer an average of 19.9 sports.<-

-> All three leagues have relatively new commissioners, which helps explain why the three have been in regular communication since news of Oklahoma and Texas' departure from the Big 12 broke. The Big Ten and Pac-12 have historically been aligned on key issues (and share contractual relationships with the Rose Bowl), and they moved together in their pandemic policy-making last summer. Those leagues also have financial relationships with Fox, whom they would like to get involved in the bidding process for an expanded Playoff. The ACC is more of a wild card, but new commissioner Jim Phillips worked in the Big Ten for more than a decade and has long defended the core principles of the collegiate model.<-
 
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I predict it'll be some nice press releases and some agreements in principle. But in the long run each league will continue to serve its own best interests. On the other hand communication is good, and I'm quite sure these three conferences are aware that the SEC will continue to go its own way if it feels it can gain more power over the playoff process and other rules relating to D1 football. They are correct that would not be good for the overall athletics environment which some of these schools continue to value. Football may drive the bus but they don't want it to drive the bus over a cliff.
 
So basically the P4 can't get along now. The other 3 conferences will not agree once the pressure is on and then college football will need a new savior. What will they do, agree not to schedule the SEC? What happens when the Big Ten and the SEC agree and the Pac and ACC don't? At the end of the day, the golden goose which is college football will be reshaped into something we aren't even aware of yet.
 
This whole thing sounds like a whole bunch of nothing. Of anything, I can see it making it easier for the SEC to pick off a Clemson or even Ohio St. All they have to point to is how their interests (Clemson, etc) are not being considered when 41 teams are involved.

Will be interesting to see what happens....
 
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billybud said:
Plenty...

Somewhere in the top twenty has got to be Boston College fans, the Jewelry Network, the Curling Championship on ESPN2, any Presidential address...
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LOL! All true…except curling. My Canadian roots shine through and I do enjoy a good curling match!
 
Husky92 said:
LOL! All true…except curling. My Canadian roots shine through and I do enjoy a good curling match!
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Yeah...As a Florida boy...I've seen the warm weather version of Curling...old, old people slapping each other on the backs at the shuffleboard courts.

But, who, other than lifetime janitors, tune in on TV to watch and be mesmerized by the world class sweeping techniques displayed ?
 
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