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That was basically awful

Fishy said:
How’d this year go?

Ping me when


I said the same things in November, so nah. And we did not get a high seed, we did not go on a run and we threw up on our shoes whenever hardware was on the line.

Minor league games are games. Sitting on a bench for a year looking at the back of Danny Hurley’s head is not going to help Diggins or Johnson or Springs…it’s just pissing away a year of their college career.
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The season would’ve been significantly worse if Hurley had taken your advice and played our freshman more
 
djct1999 said:
I think the problem is most of our fanbase is stuck in the past. Is it fair to criticize last night? Absolutely. But the takes on here about the season are head scratching. It took Calhoun quite awhile to get over the hump. Hurley inherited an absolute mess. By year 4, he has is nationally relevant, playing in the top half of big East, and stellar recruiting classes. Let’s assume he benefits a bit from the legacy Calhoun created and rebuilding UConn is easier than building it the first time. It’s partially why he is started succeeding in year 3. This process takes time. Hurley has this program on track and on time.
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Calhoun won the NIT in year 2 and was a basket away from the Final Four in year 4. No comparison.
 
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djct1999 said:
I think the problem is most of our fanbase is stuck in the past. Is it fair to criticize last night? Absolutely. But the takes on here about the season are head scratching. It took Calhoun quite awhile to get over the hump. Hurley inherited an absolute mess. By year 4, he has is nationally relevant, playing in the top half of big East, and stellar recruiting classes. Let’s assume he benefits a bit from the legacy Calhoun created and rebuilding UConn is easier than building it the first time. It’s partially why he is started succeeding in year 3. This process takes time. Hurley has this program on track and on time.
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Calhoun had to get over a hump with a program that had a starting 5 of cow farmers. He also had dominant teams by year 4. These situations are not comparable.
 
Fishy said:
That was garbage.

This season really was just a black hole. For some reason, we went “win now” on a group of players who weren’t good enough to win now. Hawkins and especially Diggins and Samson were basically set back because we somehow thought the super seniors were good enough to do more than this. We did not advance the program much this season…for example, who’s the point guard next season? I dunno.

Guys like Polley and Whaley deserve our eternal thanks for being the bridge to get us from the abyss of Kevin Ollie to the present day..that said, we relied too much on older players who just had very hard ceilings.

Hurley has to start doing more than watching the games. How many times did NMSU score out of a time out? How many times did we? How many times did we look completely out of sync and call a time out to reorganize? Nothing was working and the answer was, “let’s do more of it.” When Whaley started thinking he was Stephon Curry, Hurley should have thrown himself on the floor to stop it. Love the heart, but you’re open for a reason, kiddo.

On that…more than halfway through the second half, we had one layup. Sanogo did not make one, Martin did not make one, Whaley did not make one….only the smallest guy on the floor had one. The bigs were busy showing off their jumpshot. NMSU is in the bonus after like eight minutes and our bigs are still firing from a distance…why?

All in all, this was pure crap. Bad effort, bad coaching, bad execution. Zero upside.

We advanced nothing this year outside of Sanogo. Next year, Hurley is going to have to a) get more out of players like Jackson, b) develop freshmen, and c) establish a bench and then use it. We’ll see.
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Agree with all you say.

My concern is future recruiting. In fact, UConn is not "-UConn back". 2 seasons in a row in Tournament with not even a Sweet 16. Ask Indiana or even UCLA how hard it is to keep what was built.

No national attention after this season for Huskies. Keeping the Brand means getting a BET title and/or
Elite 8 next season. . 17 year old recruits were 8 the last time we won it all. 9 when the Boatshow ended. In short, Dan is a very good recruiter. Hasn't developed a 2 NBA first round pick team yet. Time is now for '23 team and '24 recruiting class......and for AJAX to get a jump shot going
 
Fishy said:
That was garbage.

This season really was just a black hole. For some reason, we went “win now” on a group of players who weren’t good enough to win now. Hawkins and especially Diggins and Samson were basically set back because we somehow thought the super seniors were good enough to do more than this. We did not advance the program much this season…for example, who’s the point guard next season? I dunno.

Guys like Polley and Whaley deserve our eternal thanks for being the bridge to get us from the abyss of Kevin Ollie to the present day..that said, we relied too much on older players who just had very hard ceilings.

Hurley has to start doing more than watching the games. How many times did NMSU score out of a time out? How many times did we? How many times did we look completely out of sync and call a time out to reorganize? Nothing was working and the answer was, “let’s do more of it.” When Whaley started thinking he was Stephon Curry, Hurley should have thrown himself on the floor to stop it. Love the heart, but you’re open for a reason, kiddo.

On that…more than halfway through the second half, we had one layup. Sanogo did not make one, Martin did not make one, Whaley did not make one….only the smallest guy on the floor had one. The bigs were busy showing off their jumpshot. NMSU is in the bonus after like eight minutes and our bigs are still firing from a distance…why?

All in all, this was pure crap. Bad effort, bad coaching, bad execution. Zero upside.

We advanced nothing this year outside of Sanogo. Next year, Hurley is going to have to a) get more out of players like Jackson, b) develop freshmen, and c) establish a bench and then use it. We’ll see.
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Hurley recruiting two top-tier transfers is going to be the difference between him keeping his job after next season or not.
 
Kathy said:
Calhoun won the NIT in year 2 and was a basket away from the Final Four in year 4. No comparison.
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First, it wasn't a comparison. It was an evaluation of Hurley. And it seems that most on here have the championship or bust mentality in evaluating Hurley. In an odd way, I think you helped prove my point. Too many on here are stuck in the past and have unrealistic expectations. Calhoun is arguably a top 5 college basketball coach of all time. Hurley surely will never be that. He would be the first to admit it. But he is a good coach and great for this program. But if titles are the measuring stick, after that unlucky break in 1990, how long did it take the Hall of Fame coach to win it all? Is it fair then to destroy Hurley after this season in year 4 of a total rebuild? Realistic answers only.
 
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djct1999 said:
I think the problem is most of our fanbase is stuck in the past. Is it fair to criticize last night? Absolutely. But the takes on here about the season are head scratching. It took Calhoun quite awhile to get over the hump. Hurley inherited an absolute mess. By year 4, he has is nationally relevant, playing in the top half of big East, and stellar recruiting classes. Let’s assume he benefits a bit from the legacy Calhoun created and rebuilding UConn is easier than building it the first time. It’s partially why he is started succeeding in year 3. This process takes time. Hurley has this program on track and on time.
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The “inherited” excuse is weak. This is his roster. He had 3 guys on this year’s roster that started their college careers 5(!) years ago, another 4th year senior and the rest of the roster is basically all top 75 recruits. That’s more than enough to make it to the second weekend. The excuse next year is going to be “we’re too young”.

I know it’s only one game but this loss feels very damaging to the “UConn is back” narrative in light of the fact that next year isn’t looking good unless Cole and Martin return. Especially since Hurley went all-in on his seniors and didn’t develop the younger guys. Hope I’m wrong but eventually you need to be able to point to results to recruits and others. We missed an opportunity to do that this year that will probably not be there next year.
 
djct1999 said:
First, it wasn't a comparison. It was an evaluation of Hurley. And it seems that most on here have the championship or bust mentality in evaluating Hurley. In an odd way, I think you helped prove my point. Too many on here are stuck in the past and have unrealistic expectations. Calhoun is arguably a top 5 college basketball coach of all time. Hurley surely will never be that. He would be the first to admit it. But he is a good coach and great for this program. But if titles are the measuring stick, after that unlucky break in 1990, how long did it take the Hall of Fame coach to win it all? Is it fair then to destroy Hurley after this season in year 4 of a total rebuild? Realistic answers only.
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I don't care about titles, I know how hard they are to come by but to say Hurley's rebuild is harder than Calhoun's was just fantasy. But expecting more in year 4 than what just happened is not unreasonable.
 
Yup, that was awful.

To give credit where credit is due, Chris Jans had his guys ready to go. He is a very good coach who would be in a much more high profile job if he hadn’t gotten handsy at that bar at Bowling Green.

We got outplayed. Hurley got outcoached. Look forward to seeing how Musselman handles Allen.
 
djct1999 said:
First, it wasn't a comparison. It was an evaluation of Hurley. And it seems that most on here have the championship or bust mentality in evaluating Hurley. In an odd way, I think you helped prove my point. Too many on here are stuck in the past and have unrealistic expectations. Calhoun is arguably a top 5 college basketball coach of all time. Hurley surely will never be that. He would be the first to admit it. But he is a good coach and great for this program. But if titles are the measuring stick, after that unlucky break in 1990, how long did it take the Hall of Fame coach to win it all? Is it fair then to destroy Hurley after this season in year 4 of a total rebuild? Realistic answers only.
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No one expects him to be Calhoun. Well, no one realistic. I think having the expectation of a single tournament win in 4 years is fair. As would not having a disastrous losing record in close games.
 
We are not back.
We were a poor shooting team all year especially with in-close Yips.
Shakey end of game guard play.
Inconsistent play by Sanogo who goes with the force move and hasn't developed an ability to pass off.
 
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Kathy said:
I don't care about titles, I know how hard they are to come by but to say Hurley's rebuild is harder than Calhoun's was just fantasy. But expecting more in year 4 than what just happened is not unreasonable.
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Maybe go back and read what I wrote. I never said it was harder now, I said the exact opposite.
 
djct1999 said:
I think the problem is most of our fanbase is stuck in the past. Is it fair to criticize last night? Absolutely. But the takes on here about the season are head scratching. It took Calhoun quite awhile to get over the hump. Hurley inherited an absolute mess. By year 4, he has is nationally relevant, playing in the top half of big East, and stellar recruiting classes. Let’s assume he benefits a bit from the legacy Calhoun created and rebuilding UConn is easier than building it the first time. It’s partially why he is started succeeding in year 3. This process takes time. Hurley has this program on track and on time.
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Oh my goodness are you full of crap! Calhoun’s “hump” was getting to a final four. And he took a team that was far worse than Hurley inherited and won a Big East championship in Year 4 defeating multiple future Hall of Fame coaches to do it. Then went to the Elite 8 and lost in a nail biter to Duke. Oh, and the Big East has 3 top 10 teams in those days.

Hurley’s hump is wayyy smaller. Beat a lower seed in Round 1. I would argue that getting to a Final Four is a much bigger hump. Perhaps you see it differently.
 
Kathy said:
I don't care about titles, I know how hard they are to come by but to say Hurley's rebuild is harder than Calhoun's was just fantasy. But expecting more in year 4 than what just happened is not unreasonable.
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Expecting more:
A top 20 ranking, a top 10 recruiting class for foreseeable future, 20 wins, a first round bye in the Big East tournament, a 5 seed, 5-6 in quad 1. If you want more than that in today's landscape, you are simply unrealisitc. Again, last night sucked. I get that. But more than ever the tournment is arbitrary. Its why Kentucky and Iowa can lose too. It happens, even when it shouldn't. To crucify our coach for one game is simply bizarre. The takes on here, including yours, is bizarre. I keep hearing criticism of Hurley. Name 1 guy who would actually come who would do better.( I even heard last nigh someone last night suggest Kimani with that half of 1 game sample set, again bizarre)
 
freescooter said:
Oh my goodness are you full of crap! Calhoun’s “hump” was getting to a final four. And he took a team that was far worse than Hurley inherited and won a Big East championship in Year 4 defeating multiple future Hall of Fame coaches to do it. Then went to the Elite 8 and lost in a nail biter to Duke. Oh, and the Big East has 3 top 10 teams in those days.

Hurley’s hump is wayyy smaller. Beat a lower seed in Round 1. I would argue that getting to a Final Four is a much bigger hump. Perhaps you see it differently.
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No, I dont see it differently. Maybe this being lost in context. I am not comparing Hurley to Calhoun in any way. I only brought up Calhoun as a reference to the time people on here are willing to give Hurley. We lost a bad game last night and the world is coming to an end. To me, how I see it, this season went as expected. We didn't over achieve, but we certainly didnt under achieve. To say anything else is simply untrue. Thats how I see it.
 
shizzle787 said:
Hurley recruiting two top-tier transfers is going to be the difference between him keeping his job after next season or not.
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Sure. And if AD DB fires Hurley for this level of performance, what coach in their right mind would come here? Title or bust in 5 years or your out. Thats great for a program. Your delusion is remarkable.
 
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djct1999 said:
Expecting more:
A top 20 ranking, a top 10 recruiting class for foreseeable future, 20 wins, a first round bye in the Big East tournament, a 5 seed, 5-6 in quad 1. If you want more than that in today's landscape, you are simply unrealisitc. Again, last night sucked. I get that. But more than ever the tournment is arbitrary. Its why Kentucky and Iowa can lose too. It happens, even when it shouldn't. To crucify our coach for one game is simply bizarre. The takes on here, including yours, is bizarre. I keep hearing criticism of Hurley. Name 1 guy who would actually come who would do better.( I even heard last nigh someone last night suggest Kimani with that half of 1 game sample set, again bizarre)
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No one with half a brain cell says Hurley is getting fired. If you're seriously happy with 0 tournament wins in 4 years, you're a pretty crappy fan.
 
djct1999 said:
Sure. And if AD DB fires Hurley for this level of performance, what coach in their right mind would come here? Title or bust in 5 years or your out. Thats great for a program. Your delusion is remarkable.
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That’s a straw man, nobody’s saying that. Get to the Sweet 16 at some point in your first five years and stop running your mouth until you do that. That seems like a fair expectation for Hurley and if not his seat should be warm at the end of next year.
 
nychuskyfan said:
That’s a straw man, nobody’s saying that. Get to the Sweet 16 at some point in your first five years and stop running your mouth until you do that. That seems like a fair expectation for Hurley and if not his seat should be warm at the end of next year.
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But that's a different point than what he's replying to. No Sweet 16's or tournament wins next year should absolutely result in Hurley's seat getting warm. But the idea of firing him after next year is ludicrous
 
djct1999 said:
Sure. And if AD DB fires Hurley for this level of performance, what coach in their right mind would come here? Title or bust in 5 years or your out. Thats great for a program. Your delusion is remarkable.
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Our idiotic fanbase is going to runoff Hurley the way Cincy fans ran off Cronin. BTW Cronin almost lost yesterday with basically the same team that went to the final four last year, point being there is an element of random luck involved in the tournament crapshoot.
 
navery12 said:
But that's a different point than what he's replying to. No Sweet 16's or tournament wins next year should absolutely result in Hurley's seat getting warm. But the idea of firing him after next year is ludicrous
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Warm is an understatement. If we don't get a tournament win next year, his seat needs to be absolutely blazing hot. If he didn't have that huge buy-out he'd probably be gone after next season without a win or 2 in a tournament.
 
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