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Texas OLmen to get 50k each

RioDog said:
Well, at least I still make more than a UT O lineman... for now.
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This is just one non profit paying them. Once the car dealers and the oil companys come in and make their own deals these offensive Lineman make make 200k per year.
 
uconndogs said:
I don't begrudge the kids the money, but this will transform college athletics. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Once in full competitive mode these types of NIL programs will be used as a recruiting enticements and the prices will go up. Some programs will spare no expense in attracting top recruits and I have to believe that quickly gets to seven figure money for top recruits. I see a number of problems with that. First, it will bifurcate college athletics because only a limited number of programs will be able to arrange those types of incentives. Second, not many kids will be ready to handle this type of money. It will bring out the sharks and it's easy to see a lot of kids being taken advantage.
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Nick Saban once said the players should not make more then 40K per year in compensation. Immediately Auburn said they would pay them 80K per year.
 
Get a Job said:
How would what you are proposing work? Most college football players won't earn much or anything in NIL, so I assume you don't want them to give up their scholarships. How is it decided who is required to give it up, then? As you said above, the $50k these linemen are receiving doesn't even cover their expenses for attending and living at school, so the line must be even higher than $50k. At that point, you are talking about such a small number of students that it would seem ridiculous to worry about it.

Furthermore, why should a person be prohibited from accepting benefits that are legally provided to them in exchange for the recipient doing something legal. If a guy convinces a school to provide education, room, board, food, and swag in exchange for playing football, good for him. If the same guy is also able to get an offer from someone else for NIL, also good for him. I grant you the morals and legalities in the second scenario can get murky pretty quickly, but in no case does it make sense to me to ever take away a players scholarship just because he got some other benefit somewhere else. Should every athlete from a wealthy family have their scholarship revoked?

I can't believe this "ThEy ShOuLd PaY ThEiR oWn Way!!" meme is even treated with any amount of respect. It is impractical, irrational, and, although I can't put my finger on it, I think it speaks to a moral or at least logical flaw in the proponents of the idea.
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The rest of the student populace gets the luxury of paying based on their or their parents income and repaying their borrowings for 20 years. It’s perfectly rationale, and precisely practical since every other schmuck needs to fill out a FASB disclosure. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
 
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uconnfan68 said:
I don’t even care, but I’m not that naive.
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It’s not nativity, it’s just being wrong. It’s clearly payments from boosters well above any semblance of market value (for the “service” they’ll provide specifically within this deal) but it’s objectively not being paid for by the school.
 
giddyup said:
The rest of the student populace gets the luxury of paying based on their or their parents income and repaying their borrowings for 20 years. It’s perfectly rationale, and precisely practical since every other schmuck needs to fill out a FASB disclosure. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.
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I'd love to argue with you, but you've done such a poor job putting together a coherent thought that I don't know where to start. Let me try to start by seeing if I understand you correctly. You think that athletes who get NIL money should forfeit their scholarships because other students pay tuition based on their families' income and wealth? If so, why don't you tell me what one has to do with the other?
 
If you can get it, take it. But I'm still firmly of the opinion that if you accept payment from a NIL agreement you should have to forfeit your scholarship funded by tax payers and fellow students.
 
Hamms30 said:
If you can get it, take it. But I'm still firmly of the opinion that if you accept payment from a NIL agreement you should have to forfeit your scholarship funded by tax payers and fellow students.
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The scholarships of Texas O-linemen are not funded by tax payers and fellow students.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
The scholarships of Texas O-linemen are not funded by tax payers and fellow students.
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which is fine. Privately funded do what you will. More of a general comment than specifically aimed at Texas, granted this thread is related to them.
 
Hamms30 said:
which is fine. Privately funded do what you will. More of a general comment than specifically aimed at Texas, granted this thread is related to them.
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No, the point is that the Texas football program prints money. Basically any high level D1 football program will not only be self sufficient, but will be funding most of the rest of the Athletic department. Your premise of why these players should have to give up their scholarship is based on a very flawed premise.
 
Hamms30 said:
If you can get it, take it. But I'm still firmly of the opinion that if you accept payment from a NIL agreement you should have to forfeit your scholarship funded by tax payers and fellow students.
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No one has yet explained what a college football scholarship has to do with the player's income or assets. The scholarship was not given to them as financial aid in the first place. By your logic, rich kids should be ineligible for athletic scholarships. I swear you people have no critical thinking skills. You just hear something that "feels" right and latch on.
 
huskymedic said:
There is a bit more here (… and yea, proof will in the projects completed not in a press release). $50k of value is quite a bit.

businessofcollegesports.com

Texas Offensive Linemen to Receive $50,000 Each to Promote Charities

The newly formed Horns with Heart entity will help raise money for NIL deals with Texas athletes to benefit charities.
businessofcollegesports.com businessofcollegesports.com

-> In exchange the student athletes will be expected to participate in activities that will benefit various charities. For example, Horns with Heart might choose a Habitat for Humanity group to support and take the entire offensive line to build a house. Another example would be a flag football tournament to benefit a youth sports charity. <-
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Yeah right. Just like they go to class. Student athletes. What a joke.
 
Get a Job said:
How would what you are proposing work? Most college football players won't earn much or anything in NIL, so I assume you don't want them to give up their scholarships. How is it decided who is required to give it up, then? As you said above, the $50k these linemen are receiving doesn't even cover their expenses for attending and living at school, so the line must be even higher than $50k. At that point, you are talking about such a small number of students that it would seem ridiculous to worry about it.

Furthermore, why should a person be prohibited from accepting benefits that are legally provided to them in exchange for the recipient doing something legal. If a guy convinces a school to provide education, room, board, food, and swag in exchange for playing football, good for him. If the same guy is also able to get an offer from someone else for NIL, also good for him. I grant you the morals and legalities in the second scenario can get murky pretty quickly, but in no case does it make sense to me to ever take away a players scholarship just because he got some other benefit somewhere else. Should every athlete from a wealthy family have their scholarship revoked?

I can't believe this "ThEy ShOuLd PaY ThEiR oWn Way!!" meme is even treated with any amount of respect. It is impractical, irrational, and, although I can't put my finger on it, I think it speaks to a moral or at least logical flaw in the proponents of the idea.
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I think the Ivy League has the right idea.
 
Hondo 77 said:
I think the Ivy League has the right idea.
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No athletic scholarships at all? That's a rational position to take. The fact remains no one has rationally argued why the Texas linemen should forfeit their scholarships.
 
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Another angle about non profits.... don't take me the wrong way, there are plenty of legit non profits (most are legit), but ever think because they hang the 5.01c3 status on their door that everything they touch is pure heart driven public benefit.
 
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Exit 4 said:
Another angle about non profits.... don't take me the wrong way, there are plenty of legit non profits (most are legit), but ever think because they hang the 5.01c3 status on their door that everything they touch is pure heart driven public benefit.
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The IRS could very likely see this in a very different way than the donors do and it could become an issue for them.
 
Get a Job said:
No athletic scholarships at all? That's a rational position to take. The fact remains no one has rationally argued why the Texas linemen should forfeit their scholarships.
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You also have made the statement that everyone paying tuition is wealthy which is untrue
 
WhereistheDove? said:
It’s not nativity, it’s just being wrong. It’s clearly payments from boosters well above any semblance of market value (for the “service” they’ll provide specifically within this deal) but it’s objectively not being paid for by the school.
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You’re correct, it’s not nativity.
 
methodology said:
You also have made the statement that everyone paying tuition is wealthy which is untrue
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Are you serious? Besides being irrelevant to the argument, I can't believe you even think I said that. Even if you misread my statement to mean that, surely you would think to yourself, "I must be misreading this. No one would claim that all students paying tuition are wealthy."

So, back to my original question: Should already-wealthy students be ineligible for football scholarships? If not, what is the difference between them and previously-non-wealthy students receiving NIL?
 
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Get a Job said:
Are you serious? Besides being irrelevant to the argument, I can't believe you even think I said that. Even if you misread my statement to mean that, surely you would think to yourself, "I must be misreading this. No one would claim that all students paying tuition are wealthy."

So, back to my original question: Should already-wealthy students be ineligible for football scholarships? If not, what is the difference between them and previously-non-wealthy students receiving NIL?
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Being wealthy is unrelated to their football playing at Texas. Getting 50k from a donor is directly related to the fact they play at Texas, which is the place giving the scholarship.
 
Dizzy21 said:
Being wealthy is unrelated to their football playing at Texas. Getting 50k from a donor is directly related to the fact they play at Texas, which is the place giving the scholarship.
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Ok. So why should a student that can afford to pay for school because his mom is a millionaire be allowed to take a scholarship, while a middle class or poor kid who can afford to pay for school with NIL money is not allowed? Let's also keep in mind that the latter case will probably be vanishingly rare, or, in any case, does not apply to the example at hand, if we agree that $50k before taxes is not enough for tuition, room, board, and expenses.
 
Get a Job said:
Ok. So why should a student that can afford to pay for school because his mom is a millionaire be allowed to take a scholarship, while a middle class or poor kid who can afford to pay for school with NIL money is not allowed? Let's also keep in mind that the latter case will probably be vanishingly rare, or, in any case, does not apply to the example at hand, if we agree that $50k before taxes is not enough for tuition, room, board, and expenses.
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I haven't taken a side in the whole thing, I was just pointing out that Tuition and 50k are related to his football playing and the rich kid scenario is something that is completely different as his wealth has zero to do with his football playing. Not saying either deserves or doesn't deserve to play, just that comparing them, it's two absolutely different scenarios.
 
Get a Job said:
Are you serious? Besides being irrelevant to the argument, I can't believe you even think I said that. Even if you misread my statement to mean that, surely you would think to yourself, "I must be misreading this. No one would claim that all students paying tuition are wealthy."

So, back to my original question: Should already-wealthy students be ineligible for football scholarships? If not, what is the difference between them and previously-non-wealthy students receiving NIL?
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Football scholarships are supposedly "merit based"...the merit being based on playing ability.

Just as one can receive a merit based academic scholarship regardless of the student's family's wealth.

The only real difference in the NIL is that the ability to offer athletes chunks of money will be disparate among schools and recruiting will tilt even heavier in one direction..

Right now..2011-2021...Alabama and Georgia have signed more five stars than the entire Big Ten....throw in LSU and it is over double that of the Big Ten...if it wasn't for Ohio State, the difference would be vast.

And in 2022, already Texas A&M has commits from three of the 247 Top Ten players.
 
Dizzy21 said:
I haven't taken a side in the whole thing, I was just pointing out that Tuition and 50k are related to his football playing and the rich kid scenario is something that is completely different as his wealth has zero to do with his football playing. Not saying either deserves or doesn't deserve to play, just that comparing them, it's two absolutely different scenarios.
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I don't agree with you, but as long as you aren't advocating for taking away scholarships I don't care enough to argue.
 
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