Texas & OK ask to join SEC?

[Hoophound]

FSU better hustle. I don't know about anyone else, but their brand these days feels very 'meh.'

I'm also pretty sure their attendance has been dropping every year for almost 2 decades so they are probably feeling the pressure to get butts in seats.

Their fans very much feel the squeeze. One of the more insecure fanbases among the elite football schools. Also, one of the more deserving programs of a seat at the big boy table when all is said and done. I want to be a fan of FSU, I have a place in the area and much of my wife’s family is there, but it is hard to like a program other than UConn. It is especially hard for me due to my connections to UF as well. Nothing would please me more than FSU helping UConn get into the ACC.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Vowelguy]

“we are disappointed these negotiations went … without … the inclusion of other members.”

so the commissioner wanted more of its members to be leaving?

 

[jostar1]

 

[billybud]

The look ins are a mystery...

 

[Eavesdrop]

FSU better hustle. I don't know about anyone else, but their brand these days feels very 'meh.'

I'm also pretty sure their attendance has been dropping every year for almost 2 decades so they are probably feeling the pressure to get butts in seats.

Attendance is complicated. Florida State, my alma mater, is the only school with a stadium capacity of more than 75 thousand that has less than 1 million instate people within a 100 mile radius. The stadium was way overbuilt (to more than 83 thousand) in the midst of Bowden's top four finish run. FSU administrators soon learned that coaxing fans off golf courses, beaches and boats near their homes some four to eight hours away is much easier when winning ten to twelve games is the expectation.

On top of that college football attendance has been declining nationally as more and more fans build mancaves with high definition theaters in their houses. Florida State response to this has been to begin gradually lowering capacity while adding more expensive luxury seating (clubs, suites, terraces, loges, etc.).

But no matter what their leadership does, attendance isn't going to trend way up until the expectations of winning do. And the problem there is that Fisher fell asleep at the wheel and Taggart applied the gas as the program sped toward a ditch. They'll be fine long term. But they're in a full multiyear rebuild and have a lot more short term lumps to take.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Anybody thinks its a coincidence that ESPN pushed this to happen this year, knowing the ACC might get antsy and knowing they can throw a little bit of extra cash at FSU/Clemson/UNC/UVA, to keep them away from Fox and the B1G? With a pumped up SEC and a hostage ACC under their thumb, ESPN's crooked fingers are all over this and pulling strings.

 

[CAtlantic]

Not a good look for Sankey...

 

[WVU-FAN]

B12 has GOR through 2025. This might also test all of those supposedly iron-clad contracts too.

Its that GoR that is behind ESPN trying to send the remaining 8 into G5 purgatory.....ESPN is attempting to force the Big 12 dissolution to escape massive monetary obligations. It won't work, because none of the 8 would leave unless it was for a P5 conference. If, for instance, WVU does not get an ACC invitation then we don't even consider leaving the Big 12 until after 2025.....we will bleed them of either vast sums of cash, or we will bleed them of 4 precious years of their lives and slightly less massive sums of cash. Now WVU might have to eventually bless the AAC with our presence but it won't happen prior to 2025.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[CL82]

Reporter [to board member going into the meeting]:
"When do you think we hear about a decision?"

Board Member:
"20 Minutes"

Reporter [thinking to himself]:
I knew he was on the Boneyard.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Vowelguy]

Is 2022 feasible?
Wouldn’t 2023 be more realistic?

 

[huskymedic]

Gotta love these guys…

 

[huskymedic]

 

[huskymedic]

 

[huskymedic]

 

[huskymedic]

 

[huskymedic]

It’s a game…

 

[Ha Who]

More fun for Disney. As slimy as they come

Scarlett Johansson sues Disney for releasing ‘Black Widow’ in theaters and on Disney+

Actress says Marvel and Disney breached her contract, had promised to release "Black Widow" exclusively in theaters before home in a lawsuit that could have major repercussions through Hollywood.

www.google.com

 

[billybud]

The thing that is interesting to me is the speed of this monumental change...

From first leak to SEC acceptance of Texas and OU was just 9 days,,,

Blitzkrieg

 

[Dean Wormer]

The thing that is interesting to me is the speed of this monumental change...

From first leak to SEC acceptance of Texas and OU was just 9 days,,,

Blitzkrieg

It was in the works for a while now. They were probably waiting for the playoff expansion to go through before announcing it, but TA&M decided to snitch. Now it looks like that won't happen anytime soon. How pissed is the SEC admin at A&M?

 

[LoyalFanCT]

Maybe UConn FB and men's BB can turn things around in the next two years so one of the P5 conferences will welcome us aboard before Texas and Okla. play in the SEC. A high national ranking can turn things around quickly.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Maybe UConn FB and men's BB can turn things around in the next two years so one of the P5 conferences will welcome us aboard before Texas and Okla. play in the SEC. A high national ranking can turn things around quickly.

You mean P4, don’t you? Big 12 just lost 2/3rds of their value. Do you really think they’re on the same level as those other conferences?

 

[CAtlantic]

SEC considering 9-game conference schedule in football when Texas and Oklahoma arrive, team sources say. Here’s how it could look

Such a move, which many fans and administrators have wanted, would allow a more frequent rotation of teams to excite season ticket buyers.

theathletic.com

 

[huskymedic]

 

[billybud]

The ACC GOR has some language that our Seminole fan lawyers have been discussing....The GOR is tied into the ESPN Agreement (which no one outside of the ACC corporate office has ever seen).

" Grant of Rights. each school irrevocably and exclusively grants to the conference ALL rights necessary for the Conference to perform the contractual obligations of the Conference expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement, regardless of whether such Member Institution remains a member of the Conference during the entirety of the Term and agrees to satisfy and perform all contractual obligations of a Member Institution during the Term that are expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement. "

Since no one knows the "contractual obligations of the Conference as set forth in the ESPN Agreement"....there is some speculation that ESPN left themselves a backdoor in the defining "contract obligations" in the Agreement.

 

[goldendomer]

The ACC GOR has some language that our Seminole fan lawyers have been discussing....The GOR is tied into the ESPN Agreement (which no one outside of the ACC corporate office has ever seen).

" Grant of Rights. each school irrevocably and exclusively grants to the conference ALL rights necessary for the Conference to perform the contractual obligations of the Conference expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement, regardless of whether such Member Institution remains a member of the Conference during the entirety of the Term and agrees to satisfy and perform all contractual obligations of a Member Institution during the Term that are expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement. "

Since no one knows the "contractual obligations of the Conference as set forth in the ESPN Agreement"....there is some speculation that ESPN left themselves a backdoor in the defining "contract obligations" in the Agreement.

That contract is a massive pile of dung. What were they thinking? I know why we did.

 

[bendm]

The ACC GOR has some language that our Seminole fan lawyers have been discussing....The GOR is tied into the ESPN Agreement (which no one outside of the ACC corporate office has ever seen).

" Grant of Rights. each school irrevocably and exclusively grants to the conference ALL rights necessary for the Conference to perform the contractual obligations of the Conference expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement, regardless of whether such Member Institution remains a member of the Conference during the entirety of the Term and agrees to satisfy and perform all contractual obligations of a Member Institution during the Term that are expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement. "

Since no one knows the "contractual obligations of the Conference as set forth in the ESPN Agreement"....there is some speculation that ESPN left themselves a backdoor in the defining "contract obligations" in the Agreement.

a backdoor for espn to do what, rescind the contract for itself? Or on behalf of another school, e.g clemson and fsu?

either scenario is difficult to comprehend. in the first instance, why would the acc agree to a K that unilaterally allows espn to rescind the K? in the second instance why would espn agree to a K that allows schools to do the same? what if uva and unc wanted to leave for the big10 which isnt solely an espn conference?

 

[billybud]

a backdoor for espn to do what, rescind the contract for itself? Or on behalf of another school, e.g clemson and fsu?

either scenario is difficult to comprehend. in the first instance, why would the acc agree to a K that unilaterally allows espn to rescind the K? in the second instance why would espn agree to a K that allows schools to do the same? what if uva and unc wanted to leave for the big10 which isnt solely an espn conference?

Nobody knows.

But...what if ESPN wanted to move a program or two to another ESPN property...and if the ACC revenue is not affected (like when the Big 12 went from 12 to 10 without revenue effect)....the ESPN considers that the conference is still performing "their contractual obligations". Especially since that would just be a transfer from one ESPN property to another.