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Isn't Arizona one of the fastest growing states in the US? I can only see the Big Ten raiding the ACC and the PAC raiding whoever west of the Mississippi, but who am I? Definitely don't see how UConn gets left out of this new ridiculous paradigm. Because of the market.

UT offering their souls to the SEC is a genius move from an athletics standpoint, no matter what I want to think. Funny to think the SEC was looking at UNC and UVA and UT and OU throw themselves at the opportunity. I know some have said UVA would never join the SEC, but again, what do we know.
 
Let's get real. UConn was, and is, on the outside looking in. The B1G, SEC and ACC don't give a hoot about our men's (let alone our women's) basketball programs. National caliber, multiple-championship-field-hockey program? Nice, but so what? Best-in-the-Northeast baseball.....to them, big deal.

It's football that generates big revenue.........period. And we don't push that needle.

Win games, generate ratings, get advertisers excited.....................then we'll have leverage.
Uh, how was that relevant to the post you responded to?
 
Could anyone see the ACC getting raided next? SEC takes FSU and Clemson, BIG 10 takes UNC and Virginia. Maybe more.
 
It would not have changed anything. I honestly can’t even figure out how to connect Notre Dame looking for cupcakes to conference realignment.
We were not cupcakes at that time.
 
Could anyone see the ACC getting raided next? SEC takes FSU and Clemson, BIG 10 takes UNC and Virginia. Maybe more.

Besides FSU, Miami, and Clemson, I don't see any ACC schools that add any value to the SEC or BIG. UNC and UVA are nice schools, but they are small, not that great at football, and do not generate lots of money. Here are the top 5 grossing programs in the respective conferences:

ACC
1. Florida State -- $69 million
2. Clemson -- $61 million
3. Miami -- $56 million
4. NC State -- $46 million
5. Syracuse -- $44 million

Big Ten
1. Michigan -- $122 million
2. Ohio State -- $115 million
3. Penn State -- $100 million
4. Nebraska -- $94 million
5. Wisconsin -- $90 million

SEC
1. Georgia -- $123 million
2. Auburn -- $95 million
3. Alabama -- $94.6 million
4. LSU -- $92 million
5. Tennessee -- $91 million
 
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Could anyone see the ACC getting raided next? SEC takes FSU and Clemson, BIG 10 takes UNC and Virginia. Maybe more.

Only if someone solves the problem of the ACC owning the media rights to these programs for the next 15 years...you think that the ACC would just give them up...GOR...GOR
 
Besides FSU, Miami, and Clemson, I don't see any ACC schools that add any value to the SEC or BIG. UNC and UVA are nice schools, but they are small, not that great at football, and do not generate lots of money. Here are the top 5 grossing programs in the respective conferences:

ACC
1. Florida State -- $69 million
2. Clemson -- $61 million
3. Miami -- $56 million
4. NC State -- $46 million
5. Syracuse -- $44 million

Big Ten
1. Michigan -- $122 million
2. Ohio State -- $115 million
3. Penn State -- $100 million
4. Nebraska -- $94 million
5. Wisconsin -- $90 million

SEC
1. Georgia -- $123 million
2. Auburn -- $95 million
3. Alabama -- $94.6 million
4. LSU -- $92 million
5. Tennessee -- $91 million

Saw this on another site where some of the folks questioned origin and accuracy...

The USA report on Athletic Department Revenue (2018-19) lists FSU's AD Revenue as $152.7 million and Alabama's as $164 million...

Have to ask just what these figures represent...
 
Besides FSU, Miami, and Clemson, I don't see any ACC schools that add any value to the SEC or BIG. UNC and UVA are nice schools, but they are small, not that great at football, and do not generate lots of money. Here are the top 5 grossing programs in the respective conferences:

ACC
1. Florida State -- $69 million
2. Clemson -- $61 million
3. Miami -- $56 million
4. NC State -- $46 million
5. Syracuse -- $44 million

Big Ten
1. Michigan -- $122 million
2. Ohio State -- $115 million
3. Penn State -- $100 million
4. Nebraska -- $94 million
5. Wisconsin -- $90 million

SEC
1. Georgia -- $123 million
2. Auburn -- $95 million
3. Alabama -- $94.6 million
4. LSU -- $92 million
5. Tennessee -- $91 million

Georgia Tech has always been on B1G radar for access to Atlanta market and strong academics.
 
This may very well be another UT/B12 negotiation ploy. Texas is ruthless.
Texas is aiming for a permanent home, much like Nebraska, as well as some others that once made up the Big 8.

This would be the end of the road in realignment for Texas and Oklahoma. Realignment will be finished for those 2 schools.
 
Isn't Arizona one of the fastest growing states in the US? I can only see the Big Ten raiding the ACC and the PAC raiding whoever west of the Mississippi, but who am I? Definitely don't see how UConn gets left out of this new ridiculous paradigm. Because of the market.

UT offering their souls to the SEC is a genius move from an athletics standpoint, no matter what I want to think. Funny to think the SEC was looking at UNC and UVA and UT and OU throw themselves at the opportunity. I know some have said UVA would never join the SEC, but again, what do we know.
Arizona will grow as fast as their water supply. Mother nature is about to give these southwestern cities a wake up call. And if markets really mattered, UConn would have been in a P5 a long, long time ago.
 
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Texas is aiming for a permanent home, much like Nebraska, as well as some others that once made up the Big 8.

This would be the end of the road in realignment for Texas and Oklahoma. Realignment will be finished for those 2 schools.
SEC exit fee is $0. UT knows this. If they continue to flail in the SEC don't expect them not to rock the boat. Texas ego is a very fragile thing.
 
I suspect WVU has always longed for the ACC, not sure how much mutual interest there is however on the ACC's part.

Yup and the article raises a few of those points (… and these writers are all spitballing @ this point):

-> Ten years ago, a block of ACC schools objected to West Virginia’s lack of lofty academic standing and the perception that its fans were too unruly. Will the ACC’s feelings have changed a decade later?

Although West Virginia isn’t part of the Association of American Universities — a prestigious distinction to which six ACC schools belong (and eight don’t) — WVU raised its academic profile by achieving Carnegie R1 research status in 2016. Throughout Gordon Gee’s second stint as president, the administration and athletic department have worked to eradicate the rowdy image of some students and fans. Anecdotally, Big 12 fans traveling to Morgantown across the past 10 years have found the gameday atmosphere welcoming. <-

-> One ACC source told The Athletic on Friday that the expansion conversation “starts and stops” with Notre Dame. “Notre Dame and anyone is a home run,” the source said, adding that WVU would make sense as the 16th ACC member to reunite with the league’s former Big East members. Also of note: Clemson president Jim Clements was president of WVU during the 2011 realignment scramble, and current Mountaineers athletic director Shane Lyons previously spent 10 years as an associate commissioner at the ACC.

College Football Hall of Fame coach Don Nehlen, whose relationship with ex-Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas strengthened West Virginia’s realignment cause in 2011, still resides in Morgantown. At age 85, he still keeps up with college athletics and contends the Mountaineers would bolster the ACC in football and basketball.

“The ACC would be a really good fit for us,” Nehlen told The Athletic on Saturday. “This time, we’ve got a gentleman named Gordon Gee who we didn’t have before, and with Clements at Clemson, that would really be two pluses for us.” <-
 
Yup and the article raises a few of those points (… and these writers are all spitballing @ this point):

-> Ten years ago, a block of ACC schools objected to West Virginia’s lack of lofty academic standing and the perception that its fans were too unruly. Will the ACC’s feelings have changed a decade later?

Although West Virginia isn’t part of the Association of American Universities — a prestigious distinction to which six ACC schools belong (and eight don’t) — WVU raised its academic profile by achieving Carnegie R1 research status in 2016. Throughout Gordon Gee’s second stint as president, the administration and athletic department have worked to eradicate the rowdy image of some students and fans. Anecdotally, Big 12 fans traveling to Morgantown across the past 10 years have found the gameday atmosphere welcoming. <-

-> One ACC source told The Athletic on Friday that the expansion conversation “starts and stops” with Notre Dame. “Notre Dame and anyone is a home run,” the source said, adding that WVU would make sense as the 16th ACC member to reunite with the league’s former Big East members. Also of note: Clemson president Jim Clements was president of WVU during the 2011 realignment scramble, and current Mountaineers athletic director Shane Lyons previously spent 10 years as an associate commissioner at the ACC.

College Football Hall of Fame coach Don Nehlen, whose relationship with ex-Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas strengthened West Virginia’s realignment cause in 2011, still resides in Morgantown. At age 85, he still keeps up with college athletics and contends the Mountaineers would bolster the ACC in football and basketball.

“The ACC would be a really good fit for us,” Nehlen told The Athletic on Saturday. “This time, we’ve got a gentleman named Gordon Gee who we didn’t have before, and with Clements at Clemson, that would really be two pluses for us.” <-
Once they held their nose and let UL in, the academic argument went out the window.
 
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Arizona will grow as fast as their water supply. Mother nature is about to give these southwestern cities a wake up call. And if markets really mattered, UConn would have been in a P5 a long, long time ago.
We just elevated our football program. The success of the rest of the athletic department speaks for itself. Wonder how we got and still get championship level recruits here if the market isn't there for such.

If our football program was D1A long ago, we'd be in the P5, yeah. Not hard to figure this logic.
 
SEC exit fee is $0. UT knows this. If they continue to flail in the SEC don't expect them not to rock the boat. Texas ego is a very fragile thing.
Stepping up to or already in the SEC and then running away? Any school that has done that has yet to recover revenue lost. Plus, that would be very bad optics for UT. A&M would look like the winner then, too.
 

This would be the best possible outcome, because:

1) the remaining B1G teams would have to do something to try to salvage their conference, and
2) The Big East would likely be the #1 basketball league after this bloodbath occurred, and
3) Someone would have to slide down the pecking order. A league with Georgia, Florida, Alabama, A&M, Auburn, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan and tOSU can't have everyone go 10-2. Someone has to lose all those marquee matchups.
 
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How would 20 team conferences affect scheduling for non-super conference teams? Will they play fewer nonconference games, making it tougher for independents to schedule?
 
How would 20 team conferences affect scheduling for non-super conference teams? Will they play fewer nonconference games, making it tougher for independents to schedule?
Doesn’t matter to us. If they end up going to 4 20 team conferences we are in.
 
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