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amb3096 said:
As MSST fan, I'm surprised you don't feel that way about Rickea Jackson. Thoughts?
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Rickea has talent but IMO she lack confidence. When she first came to MSST she was oozing with both talent and confidence, I remember her performance that first summer overseas and she was GREAT. However, she slowed considerably when the season started and it took Vic a while to get her going again. Under Nikki she really digressed and IMO never recovered. Can she return to her freshman form, beats me but she was wide open in the Indians game and did not take the shot. I do not believe Freshman Rickea would have paused one minute in that situation. I really love WBB and long for freshman RICKEA,
 
Jmsdawg said:
Rickea has talent but IMO she lack confidence. When she first came to MSST she was oozing with both talent and confidence, I remember her performance that first summer overseas and she was GREAT. However, she slowed considerably when the season started and it took Vic a while to get her going again. Under Nikki she really digressed and IMO never recovered. Can she return to her freshman form, beats me but she was wide open in the Indians game and did not take the shot. I do not believe Freshman Rickea would have paused one minute in that situation. I really love WBB and long for freshman RICKEA,
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I got a similar impression during the microcosm of just the Indiana game. I noticed that she was on fire at the beginning of the game and basically disappeared by the end of the game. I think her confidence was hurt during some drives where she failed to break down the defense in 1-on-1 matchups and then she just stopped trying.
 
Jmsdawg said:
Talent does not always lead to greatness, Horston is talented and IMO has the will to go after it, again, IMO, no other Tennessee player has that unique edge that make a great player.
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Horston has had stretches where she looked less than great as well. The only bad year Jackson had was her sophomore year. She was great in her junior year too, statistically speaking, just on a not so great team.
 
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Tennessee looking more or the less the same fits my confirmation bias so it would be hard not to see the 1-2 start as disappointing for them from my point of view.
 
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Gamecockfan77 said:
Tennessee looking more or the less the same fits my confirmation bias so it would be hard not to see the 0-2 start as disappointing for them from my point of view.
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Aren’t they 1-2?
 
CBus13 said:
I had started typing this before others replied...had to break for a work meeting...but

I think Indiana and Tennessee have similar teams from a "veteran/new" level.
Indiana lost three of their starters:

Dr. Patberg – 34.4 min, 11.6pts, 3.2 rebounds, 3.4 assists
Cardaño-Hillary – 33.8 min, 11.6 pts, 4.9 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.3 steals
Gulbe – 34.4 min, 11.8pts, 6.3 rebounds, 1.2 assists

and have three transfers and three Freshmen who played in yesterday's game.

Tennessee lost:
Alexus Dye – 23.1 min., 10.2 points, 7.7 rebounds, .9 assists
Keyen Green – 14.7 min., 7 points, 3.2 rebounds, .5 assists
Rae Burrell – 26.5 min., 12.3 points, 3.9 rebounds, 1.6 assists

They played four transfers and zero freshman yesterday.

Indiana lost three of their top eight used players. But majority of the minutes of games went to the starters or Moore-McNeil (21.2 min) or Kiandra Browne (13.7 min), who didn't play yesterday. So, six of Indiana's 9 players who played last night were new to the team this season.

Tennessee lost two of their top eight used players. And Tennessee played deeper into the bench than Indiana. Brooklynn Miles played the least amount of those top 8 minute getters and still averaged 19.6 minutes. Four of Tennessee's Eleven players were new to the team. I could add Suarez to the group since she was injured last season, so 5 of 11.

I think the biggest factor in that Indiana loss was no Horston. Tennessee did handle the ball better without against a team that is more known for their defense than Ohio State and UMass. I think if Indiana was without Berger (leading scorer and assister last season), the game would have also been different. Both teams should get better as the time goes on.

Key and Walker should have brought the same level of composure to the team that Berger and Holmes did for Indiana. Horston was the team leading in Points, Rebounds, Assists, and Steals last season for Tennesee but Key was third and second in Points and Rebounds last Season. Walker was second in Assists and Steals. Brooklynn Miles was third in Assists and Steals. I'm not sure why Harper doesn't run more plays through Key and Jackson, especially, with Horston out. Most of the time, it seemed like only Jasmine Powell was trying to win and hustle for loose balls. Both teams will improve, but doesn't seem like Tennessee has a chance at winning the Big Ten ;) this season but they get another chance against Rutgers next.
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Good analysis, but you didn't note that Green and Burrell were both injured last year - Green played 19 games and Burrell 22, so the average minutes is deceptive since it wasn't based on the 34 games TN played.

Since TN's last NC, they have fairly consistently under-performed their talent and expectations. As far as Holly's recruiting ... it also slipped until she hired that assistant (name forgotten) who was a good recruiter. She also coached while TN was still surrounded by the glow of saint Pat but now the recruits were only in diapers in 2008.

TN was ranked 15 at the end of last year and everyone appears to have gotten over-excited by their new toys acquired in the portal and bumped them to #5 - a little too rarefied air for an unproven team. After this game, they will be ranked in the mid teens again which is where they belong until they prove themselves.
 
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Rickea Jackson needs to fall out of love with tough midrange jumpers and get to the rim more. That's when she was at her best.
 
I believe that Tennessee has the potential to be a top 5 team by the end of the season. They have the talent, they just don't have the chemistry.
 
undersized said:
Rickea Jackson needs to fall out of love with tough midrange jumpers and get to the rim more. That's when she was at her best.
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Someone needs to be able to consistently make the 10-15 foot jumper so they don't just pack the paint, and Rickea does it as well as anyone on the court. I don't mind her taking that shot when she's open or has a matchup advantage. It's when she becomes hellbent on releasing the ball towards the hoop no matter that becomes a problem. They aren't sharing the ball and finding the open players nearly as much as they should be.
 
GamecockFam said:
I believe that Tennessee has the potential to be a top 5 team by the end of the season. They have the talent, they just don't have the chemistry.
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They have upside, but they need to play to that potential. They are far from it right now.

The biggest problem I see is that the best offensive players suck at defense and the best defensive players suck at offense. Horston and Powell are the closest to being 2-way players. Key should dominate on both ends but doesn't. Hollingshead, Jackson and Pissott have the potential to be great at both. Many of the others are too slow or have poor shot mechanics, so I don't know where they fit in.
 
GamecockFam said:
I believe that Tennessee has the potential to be a top 5 team by the end of the season. They have the talent, they just don't have the chemistry.
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What talent? This is the mantra people keep saying and it's just not true. Horston and Jackson were top 5 recruits. Pissot was 11, and over rated IMHO. Not a single other player on their team was in the top 40 coming out of HS. Key has overperformed from her HS rankings as has Powell (xfer from Minny). But where's the "talent"?
 
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UcMiami said:
Good analysis, but you didn't note that Green and Burrell were both injured last year - Green played 19 games and Burrell 22, so the average minutes is deceptive since it wasn't based on the 34 games TN played.
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Wouldn't the average minutes played be relative to each players "games played" ?

Keyen Green's season-ending injury happened in January, her "minutes per game" wouldn't be changed based on the games she wasn't even available, would they?

Horston only played 1 more game than Burrell and averaged 29.3 minutes a game compared to Burrell's 26.5 minutes. I believe. Burrell's numbers would be affected by her injury since she was injured early on and would have needed minutes restrictions when returning. The previous season she averaged ~32 minutes a game.

But even more so for experience, six players for Tennessee played in at least 33 games last season, only Alexus Dye (23.1 minutes per game) of that group is no longer on that team.

Of those players who played in nearly every game, none averaged more than 27.3 (Jordan Walker) minutes per game and only Brookylnn Miles averaged less than 20 minutes (19). So, I think that number lends to how deep of a bench Tennessee usually plays which then lends to more in-game experience. Of all players, Emily Saunders played in the least amount of games (18) and the lowest minutes a game (4.6).

So, Tennessee had 13 players on their team last season. Three played less than 20 games. Of the 10 who played more than 20 games, only 2, Karoline Striplin and Kaiya Winn, averaged less than 9 minutes a game. Of the eight who saw regular game time (at least 20 games and 19 minutes, only three didn't see the court against Indiana (Dye and Burrell, graduation/ Horston injury, who only played 23 games last season). Of the players left, 5 of them played at least 33 games and averaged at least 19 minutes to the most minutes being Jordan Walker with 27.3.

Indiana had 3 players who didn't play more than 8 games (two no more than 4). Six of their players never even averaged more than 6.9 minutes a game. So, 13 players, Six barely played. Of the seven who did get regular minutes, three are no longer on the team. So, of the remaining 4 players from Indiana's team last year, only three played in the game against Tennessee. Berger played the most games (33) and Minutes per game (36.4). Holmes was injured for a lot near middle of the season and played in 25 games and averaged 28.5 minutes. Moore-McNeil played in 31 games and averaged 21.2 minutes.

So, I'd say the teams were pretty similar with "Veteran" play but Tennessee's players have more in-game experience with their coach. Tennessee also added three Sr/Gr transfers who have plenty of college game experience. A fourth transfer being So. Hollingshead who played in 20 games at UGA. Indiana brought in two Sr/Gr transfers and one Junior Transfer (23 games as a Sophomore at Oregon).

I think Jackson and Powell are talented and will help the UT team improve, but the issue of the first three games has to be on the coach and the scouting team and not on the "players experience".
 
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Plebe said:
Who cares. Rutgers is horrible. I don't understand this p-5 idol worship.
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agree. p-5 bias. if the team is atrocious it shouldn’t matter what conference they are in.
 
123me said:
agree. p-5 bias. if the team is atrocious it shouldn’t matter what conference they are in.
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It doesn’t but no P-5 school should ever let their talent Level drop them below Quad 2. There are no excuses especially for a rich Big Ten school that has the money to pay for facilities, tutors, chartered jets etc etc to give them a recruiting edge over schools on much tighter budgets.

But “should” ain’t “does.”
 
visitingcock said:
It doesn’t but no P-5 school should ever let their talent Level drop them below Quad 2. There are no excuses especially for a rich Big Ten school that has the money to pay for facilities, tutors, chartered jets etc etc to give them a recruiting edge over schools on much tighter budgets.

But “should” ain’t “does.”
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I really don't buy in to this mentality.

Sports should not just be decided by a spending contest. Sports should not just be a ritual in which the trophies and glory are handed to the fat cats by default.

So no, this is neither a case of "should" nor "does".
 
visitingcock said:
It doesn’t but no P-5 school should ever let their talent Level drop them below Quad 2. There are no excuses especially for a rich Big Ten school that has the money to pay for facilities, tutors, chartered jets etc etc to give them a recruiting edge over schools on much tighter budgets.

But “should” ain’t “does.”
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Looking at the level of competition so far from most P5 schools is disheartening, and many don't face any until their conference schedule begins. Some will start 10-0 and then struggle to reach 18 wins for the year!
 
Plebe said:
Who cares. Rutgers is horrible. I don't understand this p-5 idol worship.
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Honestly there are quite a few mid majors teams who would do pretty well in some of the P5 conferences. Not saying they would be the top team but I wouldn’t discredit many of these mid majors. Much tougher outs then a lot of these bottom of barrel P5 conference teams
 
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