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As I've said before, it seems completely unfair to penalize current players on both teams who had no involvement in those now-ancient events,
Why? They chose to go to TN. Even though the KKK, Nazi Party and the Empire aren't really the same as they used to be, I still hold people in contempt who chose to join them.
 
Why? They chose to go to TN. Even though the KKK, Nazi Party and the Empire aren't really the same as they used to be, I still hold people in contempt who chose to join them.
My image of you is that of a Union veteran who, 75 years after Appomattox, still thinks that it is every Northerner's patriotic duty to hate all Southerners.

From what I've read, there weren't too many of those people. But I'm sure there were a few.
 
Mine sure does. Graves was extremely promising as a freshman, already then a rebounding phenomenon. Like many other LV players of recent years, though, she seemed to plateau by her sophomore year. It's gotta kill her to be having this kind of a senior year. Carter was actually more articulate and expressive than Holly about how the team has underachieved and how they need to respond. These are good kids in a bad situation.
Hard to watch and can't imagine how hard it was to actually be there. One comment from one of their boards, "hate the gray uniforms, they should be burned with the players still in them" is a shocking reminder of how the web brings out the very worst in some people. Troublesome that on a few UConn boards things are sliding in that direction.
 
Watch ESPN replays. But I think your cable package must included the SEC network for you to see this replay.
Thanks, You are right. I cannot see the replay.
This is the video I want to see how Tenn players not to score ~~~
 
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Geno said: Thanks God she didn't come to UConn

I'm not so sure. With a firm hand and constant guidance from great coaches, I think DeShields would have prospered. She would have been integrated into the UConn system, which emphasizes the team. I think she would have been great, and the team would have been great. But we'll never know for sure. At least while he was recruiting her for all those months or years, Coach Geno didn't give up on her, didn't see hints of an unworkable personality. He wanted her in Storrs.
 
In fairness, wins over the RPI top 50 and/or over other at-large teams are generally considered quality wins. Tennessee has wins at Oregon State (#7 RPI), over Syracuse (#17, currently projected as a 4-seed), and at Missouri (#29, projected 6-seed). Chattanooga (#50) and Albany (#51) are borderline top-50 wins, but neither would be likely to get an at-large bid (currently projected as 13-seeds). Auburn, though only 60-ish in the RPI, is a bubble team.

That makes one excellent win, two solid quality wins, and three kinda good wins. Of course those are counterbalanced by the four losses to teams outside the RPI top 100.
Auburn shouldn't even be in consideration for a tournament berth, the Pac 12, and SEC have gamed the system by having scheduled games against each other. Notice how the only school that scheduled UConn this year from either of those conferences was South Carolina. When no-one from your conference is willing to schedule the best team in the country you should be penalized.
 
where is Aurabass...

Whoa! A blast form the past. It was one of the primary Orange s.

My feelings about playing UTenn again. If they (the university) apologize for what they did, UConn should consider it and then opt out since playing such a ratty ass program would have an adverse impact on their OOC schedule. UTenn is no longer a factor in WCBB. They are just the latest in a long line of teams that used to be somebody.
 
where is Aurabass...

Whoa! A blast form the past. It was one of the primary Orange s.

My feelings about playing UTenn again. If they (the university) apologize for what they did, UConn should consider it and then opt out since playing such a ratty ass program would have an adverse impact on their OOC schedule. UTenn is no longer a factor in WCBB. They are just the latest in a long line of teams that used to be somebody.
 
You weren't on the Boneyard during the time of the NCAA investigation and didn't see the vitriol and spewing of lies by a handful of whackadoos in the Tennessee fan base. Part of the complaint was based on posts from the Boneyard and gathered by minions of the Head Whackadoo. Boneyarders, including me, were called to task by the UConn Compliance Department and its lawyers. I, personally received a slew of nasty, vile PMs from Tennessee fans due to my support of Geno and the UConn Athletic Department and I was actually condemned to eternal damnation by one particularly loopy person.

I have no animus towards the young women at Tennessee but the small group of fans that did their best to make trouble for UConn, the Boneyard, and Boneyarders can all go pound sand. The more miserable they are because of the performance of their basketball team is okey-dokey with me and, no, I don't care if that sounds juvenile.

I wasn't there
It sounds horrible.
But to wish on any team or group of kids the ongoing catastrophe which is the UTenn season
Is uncharitable, unChristian (I'm a Jew) and beneath the dignity of this board.
 
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The University of Tennessee as an institution put their reputation, weight, and support behind Pat in her attempt to tear down Uconn, Geno, and both Maya and her mother. That is pretty reprehensible considering the tissue of lies that the complaint contained. No one connected with the university, the program, or Pat has ever apologized. While Uconn and Geno are big enough to move on, and both Moore and her mother have I suspect in christian charity forgiven them, there is no reason why they need to have anything to do with Tennessee and the Lady Vols program. It certainly hasn't hurt Uconn or Geno or the players who have passed through the program since to not being playing TN, and as far as I can see it hasn't impacted any of the TN players either. So what is lost?

At this point and for most of the intervening time, a game against TN would be a complete mismatch. Uconn would get the chance to stomp on the ashes of a once proud program which would only make TN fans more bitter, and emphasize how far they have fallen. Would the basketball world rejoice seeing a smack down like the game against Texas in the NCAAs last year, or would it just generate more columns of 'women's basketball is broken because uconn is too good.' There are lots of good rivalries in the women's game today and there is no reason to dwell on something whose time is long gone. And there is absolutely no reason for Uconn to go against their principles and schedule TN. If it happens in the NCAA some day, and it surely will eventually, fine. if not forget it.

What he said. Spot on.
 
My image of you is that of a Union veteran who, 75 years after Appomattox, still thinks that it is every Northerner's patriotic duty to hate all Southerners.

From what I've read, there weren't too many of those people. But I'm sure there were a few.

Re: Your response to Meyers

Really? We're talking basketball rivalry and you want to do character assassination?

BTW, I have had the great honor of knowning several WWII vets who hated the Japanese until the day they died.
 
Charlie just said this in an interview on ESPN about the importance of the Georgia game to Tennessee's tournament hopes:

"It's monumental, to be honest with you. With the losing streak and the fact that both of those last two losses were to teams outside the top 100 RPI puts their team in the type of conversation it's never been in before, which is, they may not make the tournament. Without a win on Sunday against Georgia, I would almost put them out at that point, and then certainly a loss in the first round of the SEC tournament would almost assuredly leave them out of the field of 64. So Sunday is the pivotal game for the Lady Vols: beat Georgia, probably in my mind end up in the field when all is said and done; but don't beat Georgia, and it's gonna take a win, maybe even a super-big upset in the SEC tournament beyond their first game for the Lady Vols to get into the NCAA tournament."

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I understand that impulse, but teams play games in November and December for a reason. That's when almost all nonconference games are played, and the committee has made it clear that it wants teams to challenge themselves in the games they have a say in scheduling. Saying a nonconference win is "meaningless" would fly in the face of that ethos.


You have a good point, it should count for something and Tennessee should get credit for their #1 SOS, but I'd say their last 2 losses should vastly outweigh their win over OSU for several months ago.
 
I wasn't there
It sounds horrible.
But to wish on any team or group of kids the ongoing catastrophe which is the UTenn season
Is uncharitable, unChristian (I'm a Jew) and beneath the dignity of this board.
Preach on, Michael. But you may notice a lack of enthralled listeners. Perhaps the fault is in the message.

1. Wishing ill (losing) on a "team." Fans love some teams, dislike others -- as a team or program. That's one of the mainsprings of sports fandom. We who harbor that dislike in the case of Tennessee -- and, with more precision and continuity, a segment of its fan base -- will have to live with our failure to meet your standards of charity, religious principle or "dignity" (whatever you mean by that; I for one, IMO, can with great dignity despise a certain group of people).

2. Wishing ill (losing) on a "group of kids." Oooo, how mean. But a straw man. The kids' feelings about losing and being a part of a hideous excuse for basketball are collateral damage. No one here wants them to feel bad, but it's irrelevant if one is satisfactorily to wish ill under point 1. If a team is to lose, individuals have to lose. They're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe they should've gone somewhere else. But that's sports.
 
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I wasn't there
It sounds horrible.
But to wish on any team or group of kids the ongoing catastrophe which is the UTenn season
Is uncharitable, unChristian (I'm a Jew) and beneath the dignity of this board.

I agree with you these kids do not deserve the verbal circus that they are currently experiencing...... The only thing i will put on them is - if true - that they quit on their coaching staff..... and the Lady Vol tradition..... don't know if that is true..... but it sure looks like it..... losing to LSU and Alabama at the bottom of the division.....

This is all about Holly though..... she cannot coach in the top spot..... and has proven that for 5 years..... and she deflects blame over to her players.... not very admirable....... AND... going to the comment that you had responded to...... Holly was part of the Pat and Maria brigade that tried to dismantle our program like a grizzly would tear into a piece of flesh..... if we brought up the ravenous Tennessee fan boards at that time..... they were much less civil and much more offensive than this one is.....
 
You weren't on the Boneyard during the time of the NCAA investigation and didn't see the vitriol and spewing of lies by a handful of whackadoos in the Tennessee fan base. Part of the complaint was based on posts from the Boneyard and gathered by minions of the Head Whackadoo. Boneyarders, including me, were called to task by the UConn Compliance Department and its lawyers. I, personally received a slew of nasty, vile PMs from Tennessee fans due to my support of Geno and the UConn Athletic Department and I was actually condemned to eternal damnation by one particularly loopy person.

I have no animus towards the young women at Tennessee but the small group of fans that did their best to make trouble for UConn, the Boneyard, and Boneyarders can all go pound sand. The more miserable they are because of the performance of their basketball team is okey-dokey with me and, no, I don't care if that sounds juvenile.
And so your happiness is contingent on the unhappiness of a few knuckleheads. No offense really, but with that logic let's just junk our entire Democracy. I like to think my happiness will never be linked to the misery of any other. The people responsible for those reprehensible acts against you, indeed more than reprehensible, are slowly being taken over by more level headed Lady Vol lovers. Yeah, I get some (a little) pleasure in hearing about the suffering of those few. I get it. But I also see the game I love slowly sinking into obscurity. That from being a niche sport. Those administrators who spearheaded those unwarranted attacks against Maya and her mother are either gone, were just good soldiers (like clueless Holly) or have Alzhiemer's. By the by, I have to deal daily with the effects of my mothers Alzhiemer's. First comes the suspicion, then the accusations (sound familiar?) and frustration. All well before the forgetting and (thank you Ms. Dickinson) the letting go. I love WBB. I love these great athletes who deserve the recognition and salaries commensurate with their abilities. I think we Husky fans need to be bigger than any of our UT counterparts and just let some crap go for the betterment of these great athletes. Even a rock becomes weary in the face of a meager stream.
 
Jordy like you I was not here on (Boneyard) when the events that Nan is describing actually happened. I feel bad for not having warned you. When I did join just by reading the intensity of some of the posting regarding TN and the attempt to destroy the UCONN program via innuendo I decided two things 1) For the people that were here it was a very traumatic set of events 2) It must be entirely and solely up those people how they deal with that trauma. The best that outsiders like you and I can do is to give them as wide a berth as possible. (Why did I just hear Sean Connery voice in my head when I was writing that?
Once again you show yourself to be better than I. I won't apologize for being the voice of reason. I will apologize to all posters who believe I've picked an angry and deep scab. My feelings are my own, and if they differ from many please dismiss them and me as a know nothing neophyte. These feelings however will never disqualify me from a full fledged membership in Husky Heaven, nor my love for these exception women who clearly play this sport for the love of it. Not the glory, the money or the attention, as do their male counterparts.
 
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I don't oppose a game vs Tennessee but it's not particularly relevant at this point, IMO. PHS is no longer coach and unless Tennessee hires someone that can inspire UConn fans to care about the game, I don't know why anyone wants this matchup. If, say, Courtney Banghart were the LV coach, I'd have a hard time feeling that I want to see Lou drop 40 points on her and then punch something orange. Tennessee is no longer a rival in any way, shape, or form so to me a game would be just another out of conference date on the schedule.

As for the apology thing, I don't care about publicly humiliating anyone from Tennessee. If Warlick or the AD privately apologized to the Moore family, I'd be good with that.

To be clear, my anger is directed at the Tin Foil Hat Brigade, Cronan, and Summit, although that's faded due to the fact that paranoia is an early sign of dementia. I just don't care about Tennessee, the university, any more. The only reason I watch the games is to enjoy the Brigade's misery. I do like to watch other teams when I can, though, and Tennessee is still a "name".

One of my all time best memories of the rivalry :)
 
I wasn't there
It sounds horrible.
But to wish on any team or group of kids the ongoing catastrophe which is the UTenn season
Is uncharitable, unChristian (I'm a Jew) and beneath the dignity of this board.
What is below the dignity of the board is your repeated attempts to stir the pot when ever this subject comes up. In this case you deliberately ignore Nan's statement: "I have no animus towards the young women at Tennessee".
 
Once again you show yourself to be better than I. I won't apologize for being the voice of reason. I will apologize to all posters who believe I've picked an angry and deep scab. My feelings are my own, and if they differ from many please dismiss them and me as a know nothing neophyte. These feelings however will never disqualify me from a full fledged membership in Husky Heaven, nor my love for these exception women who clearly play this sport for the love of it. Not the glory, the money or the attention, as do their male counterparts.
I consider myself no better or worse than any other human & neither should you. You should never apologize for your opinions, just simply leave enough room for others to disagree. Our collective love of UCONN WBB can be a powerful bonding agent if we keep those first two thing in mind.
 
I wasn't there
It sounds horrible.
But to wish on any team or group of kids the ongoing catastrophe which is the UTenn season
Is uncharitable, unChristian (I'm a Jew) and beneath the dignity of this board.
I think Nas said: I have no animus towards the young women at Tennessee but the small group of fans that did their best to make trouble for UConn.

Nan never said "any team or group of kids". You may misunderstand what she said.
 
And so your happiness is contingent on the unhappiness of a few knuckleheads. No offense really, but with that logic let's just junk our entire Democracy. I like to think my happiness will never be linked to the misery of any other.
A bad start to a post that doesn't get any better in terms of being condescending, judgmental and self-righteous - in terms (as Coco rightly indicated) of telling other BYers how they "should" (in your view) feel about things.

But in addressing the self-styled "voice of reason," I'll pick on just one central misconception: that the people who spearheaded the effort to bring down UConn are all gone.

The attack was hatched on The Summitt message board, the leaders of which prevailed on the coach and staff to launch it and then followed up with a campaign of innuendo and personal smear that has gone on for years now.

Those people, the cause and perpetuators of the problem, are still there and at last report still at it. Those of us who indulge ourselves with a bit of schadenfreude at their presumed misery will not be overly concerned with your judgment on us.
 
A bad start to a post that doesn't get any better in terms of being condescending, judgmental and self-righteous - in terms (as Coco rightly indicated) of telling other BYers how they "should" (in your view) feel about things.

But in addressing the self-styled "voice of reason," I'll pick on just one central misconception: that the people who spearheaded the effort to bring down UConn are all gone.

The attack was hatched on The Summitt message board, the leaders of which prevailed on the coach and staff to launch it and then followed up with a campaign of innuendo and personal smear that has gone on for years now.

Those people, the cause and perpetuators of the problem, are still there and at last report still at it. Those of us who indulge ourselves with a bit of schadenfreude at their presumed misery will not be overly concerned with your judgment on us.
I apologize. In the most non-condescending way possible I regret offending you.
 
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