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Playing and winning against the likes of SC, LSU, Ole Miss and now Texas and Oklahoma is going to be tough, who all have good, established coaches. Is Tennessee going to give her time?
 
TC22 said:
Playing and winning against the likes of SC, LSU, Ole Miss and now Texas and Oklahoma is going to be tough, who all have good, established coaches. Is Tennessee going to give her time?
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I thank she will be given time. She has quite a impressive record. Yes this is her first time at this level. I think she will get it done.
 
TC22 said:
Playing and winning against the likes of SC, LSU, Ole Miss and now Texas and Oklahoma is going to be tough, who all have good, established coaches. Is Tennessee going to give her time?
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Depends. If you think 5, I think it was 5 years was enough for Harper, than the new coach will get the same. Coach def has her work cut out for her.

I will say if the vols don’t make the tournament, the fans will riot
 
stwainfan said:
I thank she will be given time. She has quite an impressive record. Yes this is her first time at this level. I think she will get it done.
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Time from the administration? Probably. They know the program is in shambles? Time from Coach Jumper and crew? Never. They expect Coach Pat level performance now. They think they are reasonable when expecting an Elite 8 team
 
visitingcock said:
Time from the administration? Probably. They know the program is in shambles? Time from Coach Jumper and crew? Never. They expect Coach Pat level performance now. They think they are reasonable when expecting an Elite 8 team
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This is the most talented team Caldwell has ever had. At worst case I don't think the record will be worse than last season. I expect year two will be even better. I think this style will attract a lot of talented players. Caldwell has hung a lot of banners in her career so far.
 
stwainfan said:
This is the most talented team Caldwell has ever had. At worst case I don't think the record will be worse than last season. I expect year two will be even better. I think this style will attract a lot of talented players. Caldwell has hung a lot of banners in her career so far.
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I think you have a good coach but y’all ( fans) aren’t known for reasonable patience
 
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visitingcock said:
I think you have a good coach but y’all ( fans) aren’t known for reasonable patience
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It took Pat few years to build a championship program. I think Caldwell can win it just won't happen overnight.
 
The real question here is will all the football fanatics/Danny White worshippers stick around and defend Coach Kim Caldwell if things don't go exactly as planned? Or will they migrate (retreat) back to their corner of the message board and celebrate if Josh Heupel narrows the 1000-mile gap between his program and Kirby Smart's program by an inch?
 
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It looks like UT is adding some decent pieces but I still can't see this going the direction the LV fans want.

Caldwell may work out extremely well in the long run. Reading VN it appears some fans are realistic this team will not compete for a NC or likely even a S16 this year. The recruits seem to be setting up the stage for what hopes to be a bigger pay off down the road.

I still cannot grasp why this is the direction of the program after a tenure that, while underwhelming, wasn't that bad in the big picture. I recognized early last year Harper had reached her ceiling and it wasn't going to improve much but the team wasn't bad except in the eyes of us who recall the glory days. This hire doesn't show anyone they are serious about the sport again but rather they are willing to gamble with what has generally been their second most popular sport on campus (at least until ten years ago.

I've been wrong more than right in my life and could be again but the LVs will be fighting for a tournament spot this year with the team as it's about to be assembled.
 
MSSportsGuy said:
It looks like UT is adding some decent pieces but I still can't see this going the direction the LV fans want.

Caldwell may work out extremely well in the long run. Reading VN it appears some fans are realistic this team will not compete for a NC or likely even a S16 this year. The recruits seem to be setting up the stage for what hopes to be a bigger pay off down the road.

I still cannot grasp why this is the direction of the program after a tenure that, while underwhelming, wasn't that bad in the big picture. I recognized early last year Harper had reached her ceiling and it wasn't going to improve much but the team wasn't bad except in the eyes of us who recall the glory days. This hire doesn't show anyone they are serious about the sport again but rather they are willing to gamble with what has generally been their second most popular sport on campus (at least until ten years ago.

I've been wrong more than right in my life and could be again but the LVs will be fighting for a tournament spot this year with the team as it's about to be assembled.
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FIrst, I almost spit my tea at my laptop with your "I still can't see this going the direction the LV fans want" comment. Didn't the fans want Holly, from a continuity/loyalty/insider knowledge perspective, and then celebrated when Kelly was hired? In hindsight, the old inmates/asylum theory might be appropriate here.

I'm bookmarking this post, as I agree somewhat, however am conflicted about the coaching hire and direction. Kayleigh Heckel reached a ceiling with the program, and IMHO, a large part of it due to lack of HS recruiting successes over the last few years. The AD may have picked Caldwell to attempt to do the same as Collen at Baylor, among others. One could argue that Staley moving from Temple to SC had a similar tune. Fresh perspectives from a perceived outsider is sometimes what a program needs.
 
This team is going to play different than pervious years. I can't wait to see what it looks like.
 
BRS24 said:
FIrst, I almost spit my tea at my laptop with your "I still can't see this going the direction the LV fans want" comment. Didn't the fans want Holly, from a continuity/loyalty/insider knowledge perspective, and then celebrated when Kelly was hired? In hindsight, the old inmates/asylum theory might be appropriate here.

I'm bookmarking this post, as I agree somewhat, however am conflicted about the coaching hire and direction. Kayleigh Heckel reached a ceiling with the program, and IMHO, a large part of it due to lack of HS recruiting successes over the last few years. The AD may have picked Caldwell to attempt to do the same as Collen at Baylor, among others. One could argue that Staley moving from Temple to SC had a similar tune. Fresh perspectives from a perceived outsider is sometimes what a program needs.
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The question I have is who is going to score.
 
Geew1992 said:
The question I have is who is going to score.
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From what I understand. This new style is everyone is going to score. It's a fast paced style Caldwell talked a bit about it I'm the video I posted.
 
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stwainfan said:
From what I understand. This new style is everyone is going to score. It's a fast paced style Caldwell talked a bit about it I'm the video I posted.
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I get that, but you need a scorer. Someone to take over the game when needed. Kind of like what Jackson did.
 
BRS24 said:
FIrst, I almost spit my tea at my laptop with your "I still can't see this going the direction the LV fans want" comment. Didn't the fans want Holly, from a continuity/loyalty/insider knowledge perspective, and then celebrated when Kelly was hired? In hindsight, the old inmates/asylum theory might be appropriate here.

I'm bookmarking this post, as I agree somewhat, however am conflicted about the coaching hire and direction. Kayleigh Heckel reached a ceiling with the program, and IMHO, a large part of it due to lack of HS recruiting successes over the last few years. The AD may have picked Caldwell to attempt to do the same as Collen at Baylor, among others. One could argue that Staley moving from Temple to SC had a similar tune. Fresh perspectives from a perceived outsider is sometimes what a program needs.
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I'm going to defend the LVs fanatics a little bit in that Holly was given the job due to the situation the program's circumstances after Summitt's health declined. Frankly most of the WCBB world would have been upset had Holly not been given the chance so it made sense and most fans were okay with it. Harper's hiring was more of a mixed reaction when it happened. It was time to move on from Warlick but for many it seemed like the easy thing to do rather than the best thing. I took it with an open mind saying she fit the profile but

There is for sure a fanatical base of LV backers who have declined in numbers over the years since the Summitt days ended. When Harper was let go the fans of VN were salivating at the prospects of a big name coming it to right the ship and it was hard to tell if they were actually being serious, totally joking or thinking wishfully. When Caldwell was named it made me wonder just WTH went down between Harper and the AD because he let go of a five year coach who was doing at least okay but clearly wasn't going to get them back to a high level, and his choice is an unproven 1 year D1 HC with no high level basketball experience or success. Following a termination that seemed to indicate they weren't going to accept mediocrity the subsequent hire seems to be a Hail Mary pass to save what's left of the program's legacy and turn the page to a new era.

Fans have bemoaned they were turning into ODU and La Tech and I still maintain the program isn't nearly to that level but if this hire doesn't work out they certainly are closer to those programs than the elite level they occupied well into Warlick's time.

I'm sympathetic to the LV fans more than many would be as I too hope they can return to a high level but I think the landscape is so different now and that even Summitt wouldn't be as successful now with today's players and increased parity.
 
Geew1992 said:
I get that, but you need a scorer. Someone to take over the game when needed. Kind of like what Jackson did.
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I understand that. There are players who can score. I am going to wait and see what it looks like. I will have a better understanding then.
 
This season it looks like Tennessee will be a middle of the road SEC team to me. I agree that the talent isn't there to compete with the top of the league. Additionally, were talking about a new coach at this level, so I expect some road bumps (i.e., bad losses or unexpected losses) while she acclimates to this level of competition. I think they'll be in that upper mid tier of the SEC which I think will look similar to teams like Alabama, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State and Auburn from this season -- so somewhere between the 5th and 9th best team in the league (and probably closer to 9th).
 
I agree there are a lot of unknowns. The style sounds like something fun to watch.
 
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Remember Caldwell took a Marshall team. That had not been in the NCAA tournament in years and made it. I think getting the ball over half court in two dribbles will be fun. No walking the ball up. And pressure defense creating turnovers.
 
stwainfan said:
Remember Caldwell took a Marshall team. That had not been in the NCAA tournament in years and made it. I think getting the ball over half court in two dribbles will be fun. No walking the ball up. And pressure defense creating turnovers.
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Caldwell did a great job in a single year at Marshall. I've read on VN how excited most of the fans are about her style of play and how she's finding the right athletes to run the system. As much as I loved Pat the LVs didn't win those games and titles because they had a great offense.

The last few years the LVs were incredibly slow. The players had length but most lacked quickness and there just wasn't a lot of team speed in general. Caldwell seems to want players who can move and her system requires it. I'm not convniced system that worked in the Sun Belt is going to fly in the SEC with SC, Texas, LSU and their highly talented rosters with five star, McDAA players. It may get them in the 5-8 range unless the staff begins to attract high level talent.

I'm convinced Harper and White had a falling out over something that led him to take this action. Maybe it's for the best for all involved but I don't see next year being an improvement for UT.
 
MSSportsGuy said:
Caldwell did a great job in a single year at Marshall. I've read on VN how excited most of the fans are about her style of play and how she's finding the right athletes to run the system. As much as I loved Pat the LVs didn't win those games and titles because they had a great offense.

The last few years the LVs were incredibly slow. The players had length but most lacked quickness and there just wasn't a lot of team speed in general. Caldwell seems to want players who can move and her system requires it. I'm not convniced system that worked in the Sun Belt is going to fly in the SEC with SC, Texas, LSU and their highly talented rosters with five star, McDAA players. It may get them in the 5-8 range unless the staff begins to attract high level talent.

I'm convinced Harper and White had a falling out over something that led him to take this action. Maybe it's for the best for all involved but I don't see next year being an improvement for UT.
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Pat built the program on defense and rebounding. The 98 team was a great example. They scored in bunches. The game could be tied. Then very quickly Tennessee is up 20. Having great players also helped. Yes I agree that Caldwell did a great job at Marshall. I think this style will attract some top talent. Spencer was SEC freshman of the year. If the season goes well 20 wins or more a good post season run. I expect more top talent to commit.
 
stwainfan said:
Pat built the program on defense and rebounding. The 98 team was a great example. They scored in bunches. The game could be tied. Then very quickly Tennessee is up 20. Having great players also helped. Yes I agree that Caldwell did a great job at Marshall. I think this style will attract some top talent. Spencer was SEC freshman of the year. If the season goes well 20 wins or more a good post season run. I expect more top talent to commit.
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Having great players did more than "also help". Without the Meeks and some of the fast, athletic players on the team, the gameplan wouldn't work. Pat couldn't recreate that by subbing out Randall and Catchings for Darby and Puckett. I think Caldwell will do the best she can with the players she inherited (many who were a fit for Kellie's style, less so for Kim's) and those portal players she was able to recruit. Next year won't be the tale of the tape. I think some of the experienced SEC teams or those with elite PGs will have no problem breaking the press...especially when the slower LV unit is on the court. But with an uptempo, more fun style to watch, the hope is that she'll start recruiting more talented players that are a better fit for her system.
 
amb3096 said:
Having great players did more than "also help". Without the Meeks and some of the fast, athletic players on the team, the gameplan wouldn't work. Pat couldn't recreate that by subbing out Randall and Catchings for Darby and Puckett. I think Caldwell will do the best she can with the players she inherited (many who were a fit for Kellie's style, less so for Kim's) and those portal players she was able to recruit. Next year won't be the tale of the tape. I think some of the experienced SEC teams or those with elite PGs will have no problem breaking the press...especially when the slower LV unit is on the court. But with an uptempo, more fun style to watch, the hope is that she'll start recruiting more talented players that are a better fit for her system.
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Yes having fast athletic players is what will fit this new system. Three have already been added. So that is a upgrade from last year. We have not seen Boyd at this level. Cooper has played at SC. Strickland may fit better in this system also.
 
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