Temple headed for ACC?

[billybud]

How long can WVU be competitive as an island in the east?

It would seem to me that the Big 12 has the most incentive to expand....add an eastern pod of four....pick up UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF...or the like...to make 14.

 

[HawkHusky]

How long can WVU be competitive as an island in the east?

It would seem to me that the Big 12 has the most incentive to expand....add an eastern pod of four....pick up UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF...or the like...to make 14.

Agreed and they need a conference championship game to appeal to the playoff committee.

IMO the big question is if they add 2 or 4. If it's 2, I can't see them splitting up the Florida schools. They'd just end up with another island...making 11 & 12 UCF and USF. If 14, the next logical move is someone nearby WVU...making 13. Cincinnati.

It's tough to figure out who they would bring in at 14. The best available non P5 school is easily UCONN, but is there any chance they would want to extend the footprint that far?

 

[pj]

How long can WVU be competitive as an island in the east?

It would seem to me that the Big 12 has the most incentive to expand....add an eastern pod of four....pick up UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF...or the like...to make 14.

That would strengthen the Big 12 ... until Texas and Oklahoma left for the B1G or SEC. A cross-country goulash that would be less stable than the Big East.

 

[HawkHusky]

That would strengthen the Big 12 ... until Texas and Oklahoma left for the B1G or SEC. A cross-country goulash that would be less stable than the Big East.

This year's playoff reps would've been ACC, SEC x2, and the B1G. The Big 12 may need these 2/4 teams from somewhere or risk being one of the "First Four Out" year in and out. That means extending their footprint due to lack of available local options.

 

[Coach Flood]

How in the hell is this thread still going, and still sitting at the top of the CR board? This is a new low folks. Maybe I'll start a thread about Alaska-Fairbanks going to the SEC. Can we at least focus on things that are within the realm of possibility?

90% of this forum used to say that hell would freeze over before RU were selected to join the BigTen. And yes, I'm not kidding!

 

[B1GALUM]

This year's playoff reps would've been ACC, SEC x2, and the B1G. The Big 12 may need these 2/4 teams from somewhere or risk being one of the "First Four Out" year in and out. That means extending their footprint due to lack of available local options.

It certainly will be interesting to watch the conference commissioners, school ADs and even coaches from the 5 power conferences fall all over each other to lobby for their teams to be included in the playoff. It may be that there are 4 obvious entrants; however, I suspect the more likely scenario is that year after year representatives for each of the 5 conference champions will press their case that they are deserving - Notre Dame at times too - which will just lead to continued controversy about the system similar to the BCS. I think the lack of a CCG may adversely affect the Big 12 at times during the selection process and could be an impetus for them to expand. However, even if the Big 12 does expand to get a CCG, the issue still remains that you will have at least the 5 conference champions- Notre Dame at times too - vying for 4 slots year after year. It is difficult to envision this lasting for too long. Every conference is going to want at least their conference champion to get a shot at the NC. I suspect the playoff expands to 8 entrants - 5 conference champions plus 3 at large - sooner rather than later which may make the need for the Big 12 to have a CCG a nonfactor. The more intriguing possibility I wander about would be, if there is resistance to expand from a 4 team to an 8 team playoff, could that provoke a consolidation from 5 to 4 power conferences, push Notre Dame into the ACC, create openings for a UConn et al. in order to get to the oft mentioned 4 conferences with 16 teams model so the 4 team playoff always consists of the 4 conference champions.

 

[uconndogs]

90% of this forum used to say that hell would freeze over before RU were selected to join the BigTen. And yes, I'm not kidding!

I'ld be willing to bet that the percentage of this board that think you are a complete is well above 90%......

 

[pj]

90% of this forum used to say that hell would freeze over before RU were selected to join the BigTen. And yes, I'm not kidding!

Those same folks were saying the same about UConn to the B1G. People like me thought both Rutgers and UConn would join the B1G, because we bring such large population areas to the BTN. Changing business model = changing criteria for attractiveness.

 

[whaler11]

How long can WVU be competitive as an island in the east?

It would seem to me that the Big 12 has the most incentive to expand....add an eastern pod of four....pick up UConn, Cincinnati, UCF, USF...or the like...to make 14.

They aren't competitive now. If they lose their first three games next year (and at a glance only Maryland is winnable) that would be a 5-17 run against FBS teams.

 

[pj]

This year's playoff reps would've been ACC, SEC x2, and the B1G. The Big 12 may need these 2/4 teams from somewhere or risk being one of the "First Four Out" year in and out. That means extending their footprint due to lack of available local options.

What the B12 needs may be impossible to obtain. The B12's big advantage to Texas is it is a local conference with easy travel that they dominate. Once the conference is geographically sprawling and Texas's influence is diluted, they might as well be in a more lucrative conference that is stronger in football. Add Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas/UConn to the B1G and split in two divisions and the western B1G is similar to the B12 in its heyday -- Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, among others. Far superior to the diluted B12.

 

[uconndogs]

If the Big12 were stable I think UCONN would already be in the ACC or BiG. It's not, and I think the Pack5 conferences are seeing which of those big kahoonas in the Big12 becomes available before making any moves. Just my sense.......

 

[UConnDan97]

I'ld be willing to bet that the percentage of this board that think you are a complete is well above 90%......

No need to worry about Flood anymore (I think). If I understood Nan's post correctly, he is gone from the BY...

 

[UConn9604]

90% of this forum used to say that hell would freeze over before RU were selected to join the BigTen. And yes, I'm not kidding!

I don't think that's true. The rumors were always there, as inexplicable and unjustifiable as they may have seemed.

This board was 100% certain, however, that Rutgers would never, ever, ever win the Big East in football, however (and we were right).

 

[SouthronCross]

I'd love for UCONN to be in a conference with UVA and the Carolina schools. It's the rest of those jabroni's from the ACC that UCONN fans want nothing to do with. For me it's B1G or bust.

It was a damn shame that those of us already here could not have come to an agreement that would've brought UConn onboard. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I still think Swofford hasn't given up on getting you all in.

Call it unfounded optimism, or, naievete (sp?), but, thats just me.

 

[Adios]

It was a damn shame that those of us already here could not have come to an agreement that would've brought UConn onboard. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I still think Swofford hasn't given up on getting you all in.

Call it unfounded optimism, or, naievete (sp?), but, thats just me.

There's no reason for him to give up. Delany is going to have to deal with perception issues, too. Someone is going to add us.

Unless UConn can magically form a new conference that would include the traditional powers of the northeast and mid-Atlantic. Rutgers is not nor has ever been a power in anything. The ACC does fit the best, from a demographics point of view. I am not normally one who holds grudges.

Do have to wonder who the SEC will add.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

There's no reason for him to give up. Delany is going to have to deal with perception issues, too. Someone is going to add us.

Unless UConn can magically form a new conference that would include the traditional powers of the northeast and mid-Atlantic. Rutgers is not nor has ever been a power in anything. The ACC does fit the best, from a demographics point of view. I am not normally one who holds grudges.

Do have to wonder who the SEC will add.

The SEC, B1G, and PAC will add the leftover high profile programs (UConn, BYU, Cincinnati, etc.) and couple of schools in major markets (UNLV, San Diego St, Central Florida, SMU, Houston, etc.) once the P5 reduces to the P4 after either the ACC or XII (my bet) implodes and those schools are dispersed.

 

[SouthronCross]

There's no reason for him to give up. Delany is going to have to deal with perception issues, too. Someone is going to add us.

That is very true. But, the B1G's issues are far less that what the ACC's are. The realignment nonsense from summer 2012 left the ACC perceived as weakened. Even after the school approved the GOR, and, the Orange Bowl agreement was finalised, that perception remained.

Unless UConn can magically form a new conference that would include the traditional powers of the northeast and mid-Atlantic.

Just from an outsider's POV, not bringing Penn State into the original Big East was a horrible mistake. That Big East Conference would have been one of the most stable leagues around. There would've never been the FB v BB H2H battles for control of the league's future, like what would eventually evolve.

Rutgers is not nor has ever been a power in anything.

Maybe not, but, for the B1G's stated purpose (new markets for the BTN), its in a prime location. Thats not debatable (sp?).

The ACC does fit the best, from a demographics point of view. I am not normally one who holds grudges.

Neither does Swofford, but, some here in ACC country do. Which is why things played out like they did.

Do have to wonder who the SEC will add.

Unless the ACC collapses, which I do not foresee in the near future, the SEC will likely have to look west. Its well known that their commissioner, Mike Slive, wants UNC and UVA. The UVA Board of Visitors will NEVER allow their school to join the SEC. That is set in stone, IMHO. No way they'd join. UNC is another story. The vast majority of the fanbase want the SEC. The administration and large part of the faculty would want the B1G. You want to talk about a war for UNC's future? You'd see one in Chapel Hill.

 

[SouthronCross]

The SEC, B1G, and PAC will add the leftover high profile programs (UConn, BYU, Cincinnati, etc.) and couple of schools in major markets (UNLV, San Diego St, Central Florida, SMU, Houston, etc.) once the P5 reduces to the P4 after either the ACC or XII (my bet) implodes and those schools are dispersed.

If the Big 12 does implode, Texas might decide to go independent. They could pull it off. Setting up a national schedule would be no problem for them. Up to half of their schedule would/could be Texas schools. They could play ND annually. Thats a game the majority of CFB fans would enjoy. I know I would.

Oklahoma (FB) and Kansas (BB) would be desireable to maybe the SEC or the B1G. The rest of the B12 would be in a tough spot. Oklahoma State might be able to force whomever takes OU to take them, too. I do not think Kansas State has that same political clout within their home state.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

If the Big 12 does implode, Texas might decide to go independent. They could pull it off. Setting up a national schedule would be no problem for them. Up to half of their schedule would/could be Texas schools. They could play ND annually. Thats a game the majority of CFB fans would enjoy. I know I would.

Oklahoma (FB) and Kansas (BB) would be desireable to maybe the SEC or the B1G. The rest of the B12 would be in a tough spot. Oklahoma State might be able to force whomever takes OU to take them, too. I do not think Kansas State has that same political clout within their home state.

The B1G would love to get Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas (hopefully adding UConn as team #18) out of the XII while the PAC would take Texas Tech and Oklahoma State as a package to get Texas and Oklahoma. Not sure if the SEC needs Texas right now as A&M is thriving in the SEC out from the shadow of it's big brother from Austin and I am not sure if the SEC would allow Texas to have special privileges like the PAC may allow because such arrangement would not go over well with the other, nearly same size football programs at LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia.

 

[Fishy]

As much as I would like to see the college world burn, I suspect the grant of rights will keep the Big 12 together - there really is no motivation for anyone to leave.

I think the "leftover" schools in the Big 12 underplayed their hand and perhaps doomed themselves to an AAC purgatory down the road. They should have taken West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati when they had the chance.

But...they didn't.

And, so, in a decade or so when the top of the conference breaks off to form the new four-team Longhorn Conference, Iowa State and Kansas State and the like can look forward to waking up to "Sure nice to be pals with ya" posts from some random Memphis fan.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

I too am 100 percent pro-UConn, and would like to see UConn in the ACC some day, and UConn is the best choice IMO.

Wayyyyy OT, but how does bstimpy feel about the Wahoos losing Poindexter and Brown to UCONN?

 

[btstimpy]

Wayyyyy OT, but how does bstimpy feel about the Wahoos losing Poindexter and Brown to UCONN?

It's a great opportunity for both of them. Bob Diaco was on the staff with Anthony Poindexter before he left to work for Brian Kelly. Brown was a Grad Assistant then. They did well when they were together in 2007.

 

[SouthronCross]

The B1G would love to get Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas (hopefully adding UConn as team #18) out of the XII while the PAC would take Texas Tech and Oklahoma State as a package to get Texas and Oklahoma. Not sure if the SEC needs Texas right now as A&M is thriving in the SEC out from the shadow of it's big brother from Austin and I am not sure if the SEC would allow Texas to have special privileges like the PAC may allow because such arrangement would not go over well with the other, nearly same size football programs at LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia.

I do not know that any of those three could join the B1G, and, leave their fellow state schools...Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and, Kansas State...without a solid place to land. About Texas, if Mike Slive knew he could get them into the SEC, he would make a way for that to happen, IMHO. And, they would have to walk the same line as the rest of the members. No exceptions.

The Pac-12 would take Texas Tech and Oklahoma State in order to land Texas and Oklahoma. The B1G would not.